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Haven't watched the show this season but I heard they killed off Barristan Selmy. hosed up if true.
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HELLO LADIES posted:I'm just taking it as confirmation that, unfortunately, Dany totally will go crazy and be evil in the books. The execution scene of the random slave guy was waaaay over the top of anything she's alluded to have done in the books, but show watchers are dummies and wouldn't understand foreshadowing.
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May 13, 2015 23:00
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Genetic Toaster posted:Haven't watched the show this season but I heard they killed off Barristan Selmy. hosed up if true. I thought he was gonna pull through but no. Political correctness gone mad  I mean, I like grey worm and find the unsullied to be both badass and sympathetic, well they were badass but Barry needed to not go out like a bitch.
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May 13, 2015 23:12
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With the way you all are whining about Barristan, you would think he was an important or interesting character. Jeez, its like you are looking for reasons to hate the show.
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May 13, 2015 23:13
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CharlestheHammer posted:With the way you all are whining about Barristan, you would think he was an important or interesting character. he was, though he was the perfect knight in a world filled with imperfections, it's a cool arc to follow
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May 13, 2015 23:25
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V. Illych L. posted:he was, though And we'll get to follow it once the new book comesbwahahahHaHAHhAHaHaHaHha! Darn it. Almost made it through that.
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May 13, 2015 23:56
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V. Illych L. posted:he was, though He would have let king's landing burn instead of killing Aerys - he definitely made some wrong choices due to a poorly thought through notion of ethics. He reflects on and questions it himself in the books even if he doesn't quite cross the line of deciding he was wrong. Maybe that's what being a "perfect" knight is but it's far from a perfect person.
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May 13, 2015 23:59
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:He would have let king's landing burn instead of killing Aerys - he definitely made some wrong choices due to a poorly thought through notion of ethics. He reflects on and questions it himself in the books even if he doesn't quite cross the line of deciding he was wrong. Maybe that's what being a "perfect" knight is but it's far from a perfect person. I would say that taking poo poo into his own hands is an implicit admission that he can't just blindly serve his sovereign.
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May 14, 2015 00:04
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visceril posted:I would say that taking poo poo into his own hands is an implicit admission that he can't just blindly serve his sovereign. Are you referring to Hizadr or Joffrey? (I assume the former.) I guess we'll see if he blindly listens to Dany (if he survives the battle of meereen) - I'll call him redeemed if he refuses her when she orders something he deems wrong.
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May 14, 2015 00:10
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barristan's moral code is not our moral code, it is the knight's moral code, which he fulfills very well, to the point of perfection part of the knight's moral code is obedience to the sovereign. how good a knight barristan is has nothing to do with how well he fulfills our norms, but rather how well he conforms to the idealisation of the chivalric knight that he tries to be. he does this very well.
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May 14, 2015 00:33
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V. Illych L. posted:barristan's moral code is not our moral code, it is the knight's moral code, which he fulfills very well, to the point of perfection Refresh my memory about how chivalrous Barristan was being while Sansa was being tortured in court? Was he off that day? Sovereign my rear end.
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May 14, 2015 00:44
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One of my favorite things about Barristan is the way he takes his squiring job seriously when he's posing as Arstan. He's the greatest living swordsman and pretty much a legend in his own lifetime, yet when he has to take on a job as a squire, he doesn't half-rear end it or think that he's above this lowly station. He takes his job as squire as seriously as he took his job as a knight and keeps Strong Belwas' poo poo immaculate.
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May 14, 2015 00:49
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syscall girl posted:Refresh my memory about how chivalrous Barristan was being while Sansa was being tortured in court? Barristan was gone by the time Sansa was being tortured. Cersei tried to "retire" him and he told her to gently caress off and left. He was no longer Kingsguard from that point on.
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May 14, 2015 00:50
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Mnemosyne posted:Barristan was gone by the time Sansa was being tortured. Cersei tried to "retire" him and he told her to gently caress off and left. He was no longer Kingsguard from that point on. I tried to google "barristan Sansa" to confirm this and I have made a horrible horrible choice. I should know better than to google two names jfc Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Are you referring to Hizadr or Joffrey? (I assume the former.) I guess we'll see if he blindly listens to Dany (if he survives the battle of meereen) - I'll call him redeemed if he refuses her when she orders something he deems wrong. I meant Hizdar yeah. Him walking away from the Lannisters was more about wounded pride than him growing as a person.
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May 14, 2015 01:06
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V. Illych L. posted:barristan's moral code is not our moral code, it is the knight's moral code, which he fulfills very well, to the point of perfection Yeah that's what I was trying to get at with "maybe that's what a "perfect" knight is" - if that's what a perfect knight is, I don't think it's a very good thing to be, and I hope he truly moves past it.
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May 14, 2015 01:46
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Kellanved posted:Anyone have a link to that golden hand/goblet youtube? I've got your back buddy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lz3lAd2nGQ
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May 14, 2015 02:17
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Jamie's hand was actually useful this season. So that was nice.
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May 14, 2015 02:35
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Guys. I just really, really loving want Stannis to win this thing. Show Stannis has won my heart and devotion forever. That scene with Shireen and how you just loving know he went about saving her life with that same relentless tooth-grinding stubborness he has about getting the Iron Throne....  gently caress his obsession with Mels and burning people alive, I don't even care. gently caress Renly's peach, I don't care if nobody wants Stannis either. gently caress Dany and her lame-rear end plots, the most exciting thing she's done in books is poo poo herself. And gently caress R + L =Jon. If he won't break for Winterfell, I don't see him breaking his vows for the whole drat Kingdom. Stannis now and forever. I want him to sit on that throne and tell the world to eat his rear end. Stannis would fight all three dragons bare-handed and not give a poo poo. You know full well Stannis would love to kill his way through an ice zombie horde. I loving love this guy. This season sucks, but only because we're not getting more of Stannis loving poo poo up, then going back to being adorably sweet with his daughter.
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May 14, 2015 03:47
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V. Illych L. posted:he was, though Not really, I honestly forgot about him most of the time. they could have cut him and I wouldn't have given a poo poo.
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May 14, 2015 03:51
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Preach it brother. #teamstannis after Stannis is murdered by GRRM #teamwhitewalker
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May 14, 2015 03:51
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holy loving poo poo they killed barristan??
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May 14, 2015 04:25
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Are they letting catelyn stay dead? That would mean she was pointless, brienne was double pointless, jaime also is pointless. God drat it. If brienne is up at winterfell she can't get caught by catelyn. Goddamn. Why did the hound win the fight but the guy comes back to life if not to foreshadow catelynn coming back?
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May 14, 2015 04:35
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Sure seems that way. They also gave Jorah the secret greyscale of shame so JonCon is probably out and by extension fAegon too.
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May 14, 2015 05:11
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Where in the books was it implied that Jon is a Targaryen badtard? It's been literal epochs since i read them, or is this one of those tv show only things?
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May 14, 2015 05:19
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pakman posted:Where in the books was it implied that Jon is a Targaryen badtard? It's been literal epochs since i read them, or is this one of those tv show only things? Mostly stuff from the first book. It's extremely out of character for Ned to father a bastard, the visions he has after he gets stabbed, and he calls Jon "my blood" instead of "my son".
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May 14, 2015 05:50
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pakman posted:Where in the books was it implied that Jon is a Targaryen badtard? It's been literal epochs since i read them, or is this one of those tv show only things? Most of the evidence comes from the first book. It's the strongest theory and almost certainly true. Ned's sister is kidnapped by Rhaegar. Ned has a fever dream where three members of the Kingsguard are guarding a tower (Why?) after the king is dead and are not protecting Dany or Viserys. Lyanna is there and makes Ned promise her something before she dies in a "bed of blood" (used by other characters to mean 'died giving birth') and Ned returns home with a mysterious bastard whose mother he will not talk about. Mormont's raven keeps calling Jon "king". quote:"I trust you enjoyed the journey, Your Grace?" quote:Daenerys Targaryen's visions in the House of the Undying include an image of Rhaegar with his newborn son Aegon, proclaiming that "there must be a third" because "the dragon has three heads". Another of the visions Daenerys sees is the image of a blue winter rose growing from a chink in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness. Lyanna was noted by Ned to be fond of winter roses, and he associates them with her death. Jon, who could be the product of Lyanna, is currently at the Wall. It's assumed that Rhaegar became obsessed with prophecy and assumed his children would be the three heads of the dragon, of the Song of Ice and Fire. It's believed he chose Lyanna because she is the ice to his fire and Jon is both, hence the title of the series.
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May 14, 2015 05:57
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Krinkle posted:Why did the hound win the fight but the guy comes back to life if not to foreshadow catelynn coming back? edit: oops you mean the lightning bolt dude.
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May 14, 2015 06:25
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kcroy posted:edit: oops you mean the lightning bolt dude. Dondarrion? It's been a while but I remember a) liking him b) being pissed at myself that I hadn't noticed that it was becoming high fantasy earlier and then c) pissed at grrm for letting the hound win his trial. Also Dondarrion must be related to Daario by the transitive property of suck.
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May 14, 2015 06:47
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kcroy posted:edit: oops you mean the lightning bolt dude. Though the answer to that is to show the Hound getting over his fear of fire.
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May 14, 2015 06:52
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syscall girl posted:c) pissed at grrm for letting the hound win his trial. The Hound wasn't guilty of the crimes he was being charged for, so he won. quote:"You will die soon enough, dog," promised Thoros, "but it shan't be murder, only justice." Arya points out that he killed Mycah but that's not why the Brotherhood caught him.
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May 14, 2015 07:12
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is quentyn not going to show up in the tv series
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May 14, 2015 11:00
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quite the fucker posted:is quentyn not going to show up in the tv series I think he's in Tyrosh hanging out with Gendry and Asha or something.
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May 14, 2015 11:09
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quite the fucker posted:is quentyn not going to show up in the tv series no. never. And while we're at it, here's everything else that's cut from the show and will never show up because it all amounts to nothing in the books apparently:
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May 14, 2015 11:13
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Elman posted:I think he's in Tyrosh hanging out with Gendry and Asha or something. i hope not since he's narratively pointless, thematically redundant (ground already covered by sansa) and it's just gross to see old men like grrm disparaging youthful naivete
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May 14, 2015 11:13
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nine-gear crow posted:no. never. i'm glad of this in most cases
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May 14, 2015 11:14
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Here's the thing. Not playing an important part in the conclusion of Dragons Vs White Walkers or whatever, or gaining some throne doesn't mean the character or plot arc amounts to nothing or is pointless. People seem to be looking at things the show is dropping and going 'well, guess I wasted my time enjoying reading about Strong Belwas then'. That's not to say that some plots in Feats and Dance weren't pretty bad, or that GRUM shouldn't really be adding all these new players at this stage of the game, but just because the show has probably given away the fact that Aegon won't be involved in the end game doesn't mean it's not worth reading about my exiled bro Jon Con invading Westeros and taking back as much land as he can before he turns into The Thing, or Victarion's viking adventures.
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May 14, 2015 11:32
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syscall girl posted:Dondarrion? It's been a while but I remember a) liking him b) being pissed at myself that I hadn't noticed that it was becoming high fantasy earlier and then c) pissed at grrm for letting the hound win his trial. Don"darrio"n?!
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May 14, 2015 12:37
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Junkenstein posted:Here's the thing. Not playing an important part in the conclusion of Dragons Vs White Walkers or whatever, or gaining some throne doesn't mean the character or plot arc amounts to nothing or is pointless. People seem to be looking at things the show is dropping and going 'well, guess I wasted my time enjoying reading about Strong Belwas then'. Here's the thing: people are loving stupid. The only thing separating the dorks who are saying "well gently caress, guess that isn't important anymore" from the dorks who care about getting spoiled is that the former read the books. They're both the same people and they both suck really badly.
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May 14, 2015 12:45
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whatever7 posted:Preach it brother. 'I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne.' When Stannis dies, I'm on team "Who gives a gently caress, I'm not reading this poo poo anymore."
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Stannis is popular in these threads because he's how chinless INTJs imagine they would be if they were born into a fantasy noble family.
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