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Got assigned a "Jumbo" for the first time. Man, that frontal armor is great. * plink *  * plink *  JUMBO CARES NOT for your puny PAK 38s and Panzer IVs.   Jumbo does care about getting shot in the side armor by a Pak 40 though.  I think it sent small fries at me at first just to lure me into a sense of false security.Actually, some of those dice rolls seem kinda funny. First one is 2+1 = 5? And the third one is 4+3 = 4? [edit] With the Jumbo shot out from under me, I'm assigned a 76L armed Sherman, so of course I am only offered one HVAP shell and we run into nothing but small fry until a JagdPanzer IV shows up. Fucker fires at me and amazingly the shot glances off my front turret armor. I order the single HVAP I got to be loaded next and fire the chambered AP round (mostly just to clear it, standard AP can't hurt a JgdPzIV's frontal armor), it scores a critical! Rof Maintained! HVAP away! Hit! An AP crit and an HVAP hit, this rear end in a top hat has to be dead.  Both shots get absorbed by the dirt as I failed to notice he was hull down. To make matters worse his second shot also hits my turret (I am hull down as well, so of course HIS shots hit the turret while mine hit hull), except this one penetrates, killing my gunner instantly and seriously wounding my commander. Game Over.  That said, I do like the fact you don't get to see the results of your gunfire until your mad frenzy of lobbing shells downrange is over. More than once I've fired a half dozen AP rounds at a Panther or SPG's exposed flanks and scored a good 3-4 hits only for the very first shot to have knocked it out. Better too many than too little, I always say! Pretty realistic too, since Tankers would often shoot a hit target multiple times just to make sure it was dead. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 15, 2015 |
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Angry Diplomat posted:I would definitely get in on a roguelike LP megathread. I missed getting in on the one Agent355 did but have some ideas kickin around
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Invisible Inc. LP question. On your first playthrough you have to use the starter character / programs. Would you rather watch an LP with starter loadout (more immediately relevant) or nonstarter (so your first game feels fresh)? I like starter loadout a lot so I don't mind playing it again.
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May 15, 2015 14:05
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You could do a beginner run with the basic loadout to show how everything works together, then play of Expert or Expert Plus and show off how much the difficulty is increased. That way viewers will better understand what it is you're doing and trying to do once things start going tits-up. I tried a Experienced run with Shalom 11 and Banks, but I kept splitting the party and on the third mission I stepped into a few failure spirals that ate my rewinds. Good game, and I enjoy getting new agents and equipment even when I lose.
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Four levels into hell, my most successfull AoMr run to date turns a corner into a Baron of Hell and Mancubus, eats attacks from both of them, bounces into the lava, and dies. I'm probably never going to have a run that good again, I had an energy combat pistol, an OP-modded red armour, and the backpack. At least I got the Brick Silver Badge. I'm now just one badge away from 1st Lieutenant rank, and clearing either AoMr or AoMC should get me that. Galaga Galaxian posted:Only "Problem" with doing an ArmCom LP in a RL-Megathread is I would have to cut the "goon sign up" part because I really wouldn't want such a thread to get spammed with Dwarf Fortress like "Dwarf me" posts (not that I would expect such a strong response). Honestly not that big a loss, really. Maybe I'll do themed crew names instead. The DFLP threads have started using Google Forms/Docs to handle signups rather than doing it in-thread, which works a lot better. ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 14:35 on May 15, 2015 |
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May 15, 2015 14:31
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LawfulWaffle posted:You could do a beginner run with the basic loadout to show how everything works together, then play of Expert or Expert Plus and show off how much the difficulty is increased. That way viewers will better understand what it is you're doing and trying to do once things start going tits-up. I tried a Experienced run with Shalom 11 and Banks, but I kept splitting the party and on the third mission I stepped into a few failure spirals that ate my rewinds. Good game, and I enjoy getting new agents and equipment even when I lose. As someone who hasn't played yet this sounds good to me. It always feels a bit irritating when an LPer uses "new game plus" stuff on the first runthrough.
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May 15, 2015 16:36
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Oh hey, in ArmCom if you stun a target that is already stunned, the crew bails the gently caress out. Nice. Maybe there is a point to lobbing HE uselessly at a tank.   Now I'm tempted to try firing some White Phosphorus smoke rounds at enemy tanks to see if the crew will bail out because they think they're on fire.
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Wow, that's a lot of interest! I'll get to work on getting an OP/first update out for tomorrow (which should go relatively quickly with Rogue). I've also come up with a short list of rules (some of which are stolen/modified from the DCSS thread) that I wanted to run by quick to see if everyone is cool with them: quote:1) It has to be a roguelike/rogue-lite, which means permadeath and procedural levels/content at a minimum. Also, don't savescum it, since it makes the permadeath part meaningless (if you do, at least don't make it obvious).
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May 15, 2015 21:11
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remove the entire list. rules are dumb. if someone posts something you dont like tell them to not be retarded
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May 15, 2015 21:17
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Looks good, and hopefully Rule 2 means no one will launch a debate about if something like ArmCom is a proper RL. Little worried about spamming such a thread with screenshots, though the 1208x782 screens for ArmCom are only about 90kb each. That said, I'm not looking forward to ALT+PrintSCRN. CTRL-Ving dozens of screenshots. Maybe I should look into a screen grabbing tool (sadly steam overlay, which would've been my lazy method, doesn't work with the game).
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Floodkiller posted:Wow, that's a lot of interest! I'll get to work on getting an OP/first update out for tomorrow (which should go relatively quickly with Rogue). Rule 3 seems dumb. Some of the best game stories I've read have been prefaced by "YAASD" or something to that effect. If an LP is well written/interesting, knowing that it does not or cannot end in victory is unimportant.
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Magitek posted:Rule 3 seems dumb. Some of the best game stories I've read have been prefaced by "YAASD" or something to that effect. If an LP is well written/interesting, knowing that it does not or cannot end in victory is unimportant. I think the idea is more that reading an LP of somebody grinding through unavoidable deaths to get enough shinies that a new character might possibly have half a chance of surviving isn't interesting. It's more of a division between two types of games - dying as a form of meta-game advancement versus dying as a possible (and most likely) conclusion to an otherwise winnable game. Rogue Legacy is a good example of the former, watching somebody get butchered on their first character in to that wouldn't be interesting at all. Though It would be incredibly impressive to see somebody take that kind of game and break it over their knee by winning on the first run anyway.
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May 15, 2015 21:48
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ToxicFrog posted:Four levels into hell, my most successfull AoMr run to date turns a corner into a Baron of Hell and Mancubus, eats attacks from both of them, bounces into the lava, and dies. Mancubi are assholes; if you hear even the faintest grunt from one you should start being very wary about stepping out into the open without throwing a few bullets into the area first. (I realize this is significantly harder with a pistol.)
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Hmm, there are some survival roguelikes without a win condition that I think would be interesting to see if someone wanted to run them - Unreal World or Cataclysm, for example. If you wanted to prevent LPs without end and don't trust people to know when to stop, I guess, maybe allow those games to be LPed if the runners declare their own win condition of some sort.
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May 16, 2015 00:14
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You might also want to link to particularly good past roguelike LPs - TooMuchAbstraction's Angband LP, Smite's Rogue Legacy LP, the Crawl group LP, and Psychadelic Eyeball's Spelunky LP spring to mind.
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I still think Haifisch's Chaos Knight of Order run in Crawl is the most hilarious roguelike-related thing on the forums.
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Magitek posted:Rule 3 seems dumb. Some of the best game stories I've read have been prefaced by "YAASD" or something to that effect. If an LP is well written/interesting, knowing that it does not or cannot end in victory is unimportant. That's a good point, and it seems like it's wordy and confusing anyway. I'll cut it and rule #4; if people don't want to read or watch it, then they can just skip it anyway. I'll also shorten/revise the list to feel less like hard and strict rules, since re-reading them did feel like they were harsh. I'm keeping the "No Arguing" as a rule, though  Here's a revised list of 'guidelines': quote:1) Don't be a dick and argue over whether something is a roguelike or not (unless it is very obviously not a roguelike). If it has permadeath and procedural generation, it's good enough for the thread. pumpinglemma posted:You might also want to link to particularly good past roguelike LPs - TooMuchAbstraction's Angband LP, Smite's Rogue Legacy LP, the Crawl group LP, and Psychadelic Eyeball's Spelunky LP spring to mind. Good idea; I'll make sure to grab to find and grab those links as well!
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Post in here with the thread goes up with a link. Ive got a few games I can beat that I wouldnt mind LPing, including IVAN. 
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I might contribute some DoomRL-related content, although it won't be of the same caliber as, say, Roonespism.Stelas posted:Mancubi are assholes; if you hear even the faintest grunt from one you should start being very wary about stepping out into the open without throwing a few bullets into the area first. (I realize this is significantly harder with a pistol.) I play on the server, which means in tty mode. There is no sound.
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May 16, 2015 03:51
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How do you even play DoomRL without sound? That poo poo is so helpful.
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LawfulWaffle posted:You could do a beginner run with the basic loadout to show how everything works together, then play of Expert or Expert Plus and show off how much the difficulty is increased. That way viewers will better understand what it is you're doing and trying to do once things start going tits-up. I tried a Experienced run with Shalom 11 and Banks, but I kept splitting the party and on the third mission I stepped into a few failure spirals that ate my rewinds. Good game, and I enjoy getting new agents and equipment even when I lose. Shalem 11 is awesome. I think I'll do an Expert run with the basic loadout and then E+ with a strange one.
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I think rule 3 could have been kept but shortened to "No rogue legacy".
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Which of the big 4 is most similar to TOME? ADOM?
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GreyPowerVan posted:Which of the big 4 is most similar to TOME? ADOM? If by "big 4" you mean NetHack/Crawl/Angband/ADOM, then ToME got started as an Angband variant.
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ToxicFrog posted:I might contribute some DoomRL-related content, although it won't be of the same caliber as, say, Roonespism. Gosh. I've dabbled in streaming and recording stuff so I could probably show off some DoomRL too. I haven't had a lot of good reasons to play these days.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:If by "big 4" you mean NetHack/Crawl/Angband/ADOM, then ToME got started as an Angband variant. Roonerspism posted:Gosh.
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In a better world, Sangband would still be lively and jousting vigorously with Crawl when it comes to hyper detailed/"flexible" character building. https://code.google.com/p/skills-angband/
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I think Angband and it's more direct descendants kind of collapsed under the weight of the original design. Really, Angband was a bloated version of Moria to begin with, and Tome continues that grand tradition nicely I find Sil particularly interesting for this reason, because it isn't really a huge divergence if you look at it as more of a return to Moria's (comparative) simplicity than a reductive remake of Angband. Hmm... speaking of kitchen sink games, I should really check out Elona+ some time.
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dis astranagant posted:Why would you do that to yourself? I can play from anywhere with a net connection without worrying about syncing my saves and settings between machines, and a lot of the time I'm playing in situations where I can't or don't want to turn sound on anyways. Lilli posted:How do you even play DoomRL without sound? That poo poo is so helpful. Badly. I would actually like to make a mod that adds log messages for things that would normally have sound - it's stupid that DoomRL doesn't already have this - but the modding API isn't powerful enough, and since it's closed-source I can't fix it. (That said, some people's replays on the server show pretty definitively that you don't need sound to play well.) ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 16, 2015 |
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ArmCom 6.4 is out. Mostly just minor fixes and clarifications, but it does include giving you XP/VPs on days where your tank doesn't make it the whole day before being knocked out/disabled. [edit] Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 16, 2015 |
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victrix posted:Hmm... speaking of kitchen sink games, I should really check out Elona+ some time.
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Well I'll repost it if a formal thread gets made, but here's the first video of my Invisible Inc. LP.
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victrix posted:Hmm... speaking of kitchen sink games, I should really check out Elona+ some time. Elona is funny to play once, and read about a couple of times, and then it collapses under the realization that no matter what path of progression you choose you're going to be doing the same thing literally thousands of times to get anywhere. Novelty value and endless repetition are a very poor combination.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Elona is funny to play once, and read about a couple of times, and then it collapses under the realization that no matter what path of progression you choose you're going to be doing the same thing literally thousands of times to get anywhere. Novelty value and endless repetition are a very poor combination. One of the more recent Elona+ versions added "overdose mode", which makes all training 20 times faster. It REALLY cuts the grind.
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So, I decided to start playing ADOM and read through one of the let's plays here from 2011. I head into the first dungeon and find... an altar! It's now day 5, I'm level 6, and I have... this This is good, right 
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GreyPowerVan posted:So, I decided to start playing ADOM and read through one of the let's plays here from 2011. I head into the first dungeon and find... an altar! It's now day 5, I'm level 6, and I have... this This poster has already died to paralysis spam or wilderness starvation.
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dis astranagant posted:One of the more recent Elona+ versions added "overdose mode", which makes all training 20 times faster. It REALLY cuts the grind. This completely fucks the gold curve, though, unless they've changed it since. That said Elona+ is much nicer to the player either way - it dramatically cut training times and added extra ways to get back your training potential.
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I was already talking about Elona+ I don't even want to think about vanilla.
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Pladdicus posted:This poster has already died to paralysis spam or wilderness starvation. Actually, I was paralyzed for a good 40 turns earlier, but nothing could hurt me at my current level. I don't doubt I'm going to die soon though, this is like my third character and I have no idea how to play.
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