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Lloyd Boner
Oct 11, 2009

Yes officer, my name is Victoria Sonnen...berg
God, if this season had Pedro Pascal playing all three sand snakes, it would have been so much better.

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Chicken Doodle
May 16, 2007

Jesus Christ the way some people were going on about the end I was thinking it'd be some hardcore porn or something. Dany's rape was so much harder to watch just from the way it was shot.


At least there was Mr. Eko. Goddamn love me some Mr. Eko.

Chicken Doodle fucked around with this message at 05:40 on May 18, 2015

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



They just need to fire their current fight coordinator and hire someone else because like the Harpies watching that poo poo was not interesting at all. There are too many scenarios that end up looking like some parody of a 70s kung fu flick. Compare to Jaime/Ned and Bronn at the Eyrie, where was compelling story through the fights and momentum and suspense

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




The wheelchair king in Dorne seems like a sympathetic figure, he may just let Jamie and Bronn go and tell them to GTFO, poo poo they might even give Bronn antidote he might not be hosed!

-Atom-
Sep 13, 2003

Contrarian Dick

Bad At Everything
Fuckin Adebisi, man.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Just a few things:
Sansa saying, "I am Sansa Stark of Winterfell. You cannot scare me," says to me she has been abused so much she knows she has to endure and... well, the final scene is what she's enduring to exact revenge.

Has everyone just loving forgotten that Brienne and Pod are on their way to Winterfell, too?

I don't know what the gently caress is going on with the new plot in Dorne, but I'm not supposed to. I do think the cut to Bronn's arm is bad news for sure.

Arya was awesome. It was harder for me, watching the Faceless Man beat her, than it was for the wedding-rape scene at the end. Both Stark daughters are in the crucible right now. I think that's the point.

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




Dr. Faustus posted:

Has everyone just loving forgotten that Brienne and Pod are on their way to Winterfell, too?

They are already there, at an inn down the road, they smuggled a message in to Sansa by servants saying to light a candle in the window of the tower Brann fell out of if shes in trouble.

I guess Brienne is just gonna sit there till she gets her bat signal.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Prediction: Jamie will be sold into slavery. He will fight Jorah Mormont while Tyron watches on as Dany's advisor. Tyron will free him, Jamie will try to kill Tyron. One of them will die.

Aurand
Sep 7, 2006
Lurkz0r

Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I've never posted in this thread before, but I wanted to see the reactions to this episode in the hopes of understanding mine. Both my wife and I, and she's read the books, simultaneously decided we are done with the show. I can't think of a show I liked so much that I abandoned so abruptly.

I'm not here to tell people who still like the show how wrong they are, I'm hoping to understand why I don't anymore. Yeah, the final scene was the last straw so to speak, but this is a show that has built a mountain of cruelty out of worse things than happened to Sansa. Maybe the rest of the show has stalled out such that it can't rise above the brutality? I honestly don't know.

lol See you next week.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Aurand posted:

lol See you next week.
I wish I could quit you!

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
An okay episode. Ramsay furthers his way to legitimacy which is good, the killing the Lannister girl subplot in Dorn will hopefully pass, and hopefully they don't find a cock merchant for Tyrion.

Kaincypher
Apr 24, 2008

LazyDivey posted:

Good god that ending left me sick to my stomach. Can Ramsay just loving die already? Good god. The whole time I was hoping she had a knife in her dress or Reek would be useful and stab him in the loving neck.


But this is game of thrones where the bad guys rarely get what they deserve.

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

feedmyleg posted:

Prediction: Jamie will be sold into slavery. He will fight Jorah Mormont while Tyron watches on as Dany's advisor. Tyron will free him, Jamie will try to kill Tyron. One of them will die.

I doubt Prince Cautious of Dorne is going to sell Jamie Lannister into slavery

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Isn't Littlefinger a cock merchant when you think about it

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Aurand posted:

lol See you next week.
If I had a penny for every person who insisted they'd quit this show after Ned/Robb/etc died and now this Sansa thing and yet came right back, I'd actually have a not-insignificant amount of money

My Q-Face
Jul 8, 2002

A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

Macaluso posted:

edit: Oh yeah, did Bronn get cut during the fight? He's gonna die of poison isn't he :(

The Mountain hasn't yet.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

I honestly watch now each week to see if the show will recover. It's not that I don't enjoy it, it's just not getting better while not getting worse enough for me to stop watching. The cinematography and acting generally are quite good and of course what else is there to watch Sunday night at 9?

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

I'm not really sure what Cersei's end game is here. The rose family is her biggest ally. The north is betraying. Stannis has a big army matching in her direction hoping to burn her alive. And her family is hugely in debt and has an empty gold mine.

The queen of thorns isn't going to fooled by her lovely act. Even if cersei kills the queen, then what? She loses her funding and food. She loses the north. Her army of monks with maces aren't going to stop any invaders. At that point her best hope is that she gets murdered in a way less painful than being burned alive.

Shwqa fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 18, 2015

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Shwqa posted:

I'm not really sure what Cersei's end game is here. The rose family is her biggest ally. The north is betraying. Stannis has a big army matching in her direction hoping to burn her alive. And her family is hugely in debt.

The queen of thorns isn't going to fooled by her lovely act. Even if cersei kills the queen, then what? She loses her funding and food. She loses the north. Her army of monks with maces aren't going to stop any invaders. At that point her best hope is that she gets murdered in a way less painful than being buring alive.
Do yourself a favor and re-watch the first scene of this season. It really helps to explain Cersei's motivations.

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound
I don't know why everyone doesn't keep this in mind at all times

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Shwqa posted:

I'm not really sure what Cersei's end game is here.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

They just need to fire their current fight coordinator and hire someone else because like the Harpies watching that poo poo was not interesting at all. There are too many scenarios that end up looking like some parody of a 70s kung fu flick. Compare to Jaime/Ned and Bronn at the Eyrie, where was compelling story through the fights and momentum and suspense
Or it's the editing.
The show has a ho-jillion sets and filming locations that appear to be worked on in parallel. Maybe poo poo was getting down to the wire and this is what they could put together that'll pass as a coherent fight sequence.

feedmyleg posted:

Prediction: Jamie will be sold into slavery. He will fight Jorah Mormont while Tyron watches on as Dany's advisor. Tyron will free him, Jamie will try to kill Tyron. One of them will die.

Prediction half of Mereen catches Grayscale. :D
I think there's a general rule in this show: "No one's plans ever turn out as they hope."
This applies to kidnappings, rescue missions, double crossings, escapes and so forth.

quote:

And her family is hugely in debt and has an empty gold mine.
I wonder if we'll ever get to see what happens if the Iron Bank of Braavos ever calls Collections.

Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 06:15 on May 18, 2015

My Q-Face
Jul 8, 2002

A dumb racist who need to kill themselves

feedmyleg posted:

The problem with whatever plan Sansa might have in mind for herself is: what does it matter? What is a happy ending for her? There isn't one. Not even one born of revenge. She's just poo poo on no matter what.

You know that she thinks Bran and Rickon and Arya are dead too, right? Jon "the Bastard" "also The Knights Watch" Snow is her only living family? The happy ending starts the moment Theon (or someone else who knows) tells her that her younger brothers are alive. Which -of course- won't happen, but that's when it starts.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

Davethulhu posted:

I don't know why everyone doesn't keep this in mind at all times



I see this meme all the time, but here is my problem with the show. Almost universally, the scenes that should make people feel good (i.e. the death of King Joffrey, the battle at the Wall, the death of Tywin) and the middling scenes (i.e. the Sand Snakes) are far worse in timing, production and everything else than the scenes where people get absolutely poo poo on (i.e. Red Wedding, death of Sean Bean, the death of Oberyn and various sexual attacks). It seems entirely purposeful, as if considerably more time and attention is paid to the poo poo that grinds people's gears over everything else, because the show gains reputation, press and a following by being "the show that shits on people you like."

Shammypants fucked around with this message at 06:22 on May 18, 2015

ParliamentOfDogs
Jan 29, 2009

My genre's thriller... What's yours?
Honestly Cersei's most baffling decision was, presumably, getting rid of Mace. He was an easily manipulated sycophant. The Queen of Thorns, that's who you have assassinated, not eager to please Mr. Magoo. Like she made a plan to wipe out their entire line and all of them are accounted for except their Tywin.

MVP
Nov 1, 2012

by Lowtax
I guess there's a huge difference in salary and desperation when the actress playing Sansa Stark isn't willing to do nudity but Ramsay's mistress goes all out.

At this point the stuff at Winterfell is getting played out

CV 64 Fan
Oct 13, 2012

It's pretty dope.

XyrlocShammypants posted:

I see this meme all the time, but here is my problem with the show. Almost universally, the scenes that should make people feel good (i.e. the death of King Joffrey, the battle at the Wall, the death of Tywin) are far worse in timing, production and everything else than the scenes where people get absolutely poo poo on (i.e. Red Wedding, death of Sean Bean, the death of Oberyn and various sexual attacks). It seems entirely purposeful, as if considerably more time and attention is paid to the poo poo that grinds people's gears over everything else, because the show gains reputation, press and a following by being "the show that shits on people you like."

What was wrong with the battle at the Wall?

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Honestly Cersei's most baffling decision was, presumably, getting rid of Mace. He was an easily manipulated sycophant. The Queen of Thorns, that's who you have assassinated, not eager to please Mr. Magoo. Like she made a plan to wipe out their entire line and all of them are accounted for except their Tywin.

Tywin said a long time ago shes not as smart as she thinks she is.

VBane
Oct 31, 2011
The more I think of it, I can respect they are taking the horrors that were forced on another character in the books and have Sansa, having been given a choice by Baelish, take them onto herself for the ends of justice and regaining her home. I have no doubt she will come out of this with her strength and dignity intact do just that.

wyoak
Feb 14, 2005

a glass case of emotion

Fallen Rib

XyrlocShammypants posted:

I see this meme all the time, but here is my problem with the show. Almost universally, the scenes that should make people feel good (i.e. the death of King Joffrey, the battle at the Wall) are far worse in timing, production and everything else than the scenes where people get absolutely poo poo on (i.e. Red Wedding, death of Sean Bean, the death of Oberyn and various sexual attacks). It seems entirely purposeful, as if considerably more time and attention is paid to the poo poo that grinds people's gears over everything else, because the show gains reputation, press and a following by being "the show that shits on people you like."
Joff's death was very well done.

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




James Woods Fan posted:

What was wrong with the battle at the Wall?

Pip, Grenn and Ygritte died :colbert:

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

James Woods Fan posted:

What was wrong with the battle at the Wall?

I realize it's an unpopular opinion (here? maybe elsewhere?), but I felt it was pretty weakly done. The pacing was bad, and the manner in which it was filmed was just OK. I am not going to speak for "many people" but in my case and others close to me only, I felt it didn't evoke any emotion at all- not the death of Ygritte and pretty much not anything else. So, was it a 'neat battle?' Sure. Was it more neat than the Battle of Blackwater? Nope. I feel that fits in well with my theory, since the Battle of Blackwater was meant to piss people off, while the Battle at the Wall would inspire better feelings among the viewers (overall).

So basically my argument is that, given two equal events, the one that will piss the most people off will get the better budget and better attention at the expense of others.

Shammypants fucked around with this message at 06:30 on May 18, 2015

Kaincypher
Apr 24, 2008

Chicken Doodle posted:

Jesus Christ the way some people were going on about the end I was thinking it'd be some hardcore porn or something. Dany's rape was so much harder to watch just from the way it was shot.


True, Dany's rape was aweful and also awful to watch (I kinda fast-forwarded the rapey bits), but at least we know that Dany and Drogo would eventually fall in love, or at least the G.R. Martin version of love before the end. Ramsey is a total douche with zero redeeming qualities and plenty of aweful traits. He's basically fantasy Richard Ramirez (or whatever, pick your favorite sociopath). I'm not quitting the show or anything, but man, I was hoping every reaction shot to Reek was going to be him running in and murdering Ramsey. Or at least Sansa killing Ramsey and blaming Reek. Anything but what we just saw. But I suppose that's what I get for being a sweet Summer child. Should have known Martin was going to do the most harm to the least capable. I love Arya and even John Snow because at least they're capable, or learning to be capable. Picking on Sansa is like kicking a puppy. Sansa's just a kid, and while she's rapidly learning the rules of the world, she's still a relative innocent. Remember, just a few episodes ago her idea of revenge was hiding a fish in a mattress. Now she's getting hate-farked by the fantasy Marquis De Sade.

ultramiraculous
Nov 12, 2003

"No..."
Grimey Drawer

JT Jag posted:

Do yourself a favor and re-watch the first scene of this season. It really helps to explain Cersei's motivations.

Yeah, you have to keep in mind that Cersei was told point blank as a pre-teen that some pretty girl was going to come along to usurp her and both her sons would be king and both would die before she did. Cersei's in full prophecy-defying machination mode, and it seems like Olenna is the only person in Weseros willing to stare her down and call her out.

Fight Club Sandwich
Apr 29, 2006

you want a piece of me???

James Woods Fan posted:

What was wrong with the battle at the Wall?

i hated the battle at the wall because i thought lord of the rings was garbage and the battle at the wall was lord of the rings: the episode. scythe & giants were cool though

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.


You should realize that the TV series takes liberties with the book, in some cases making situations worse for entertainment value. The marriage of Sansa is among those. It's not really "Martin" here to blame.

Again, generally speaking, this fits my overall theory of how the show is produced, because things are always made more and not less dark.

Shammypants fucked around with this message at 06:35 on May 18, 2015

Watsabi
Jul 4, 2012
I swear there are too many plot lines in this season for only 9-10 episodes. They keep drawing it out and feels like nothing is getting accomplished. Magically it all comes together in the end. At least i'm all caught up now. I had been saving a few episodes to binge on for this weekend. I'll probably wait until the season finale to watch the rest.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

i'm the heckin best
yeah
yeah
yeah
frig all the rest
I want Theon to tear off Ramsey's penis, and attach it to himself. Poetic justice.

Ramsey is only using his penis for evil.

ultramiraculous
Nov 12, 2003

"No..."
Grimey Drawer

Kaincypher posted:

True, Dany's rape was aweful and also awful to watch (I kinda fast-forwarded the rapey bits), but at least we know that Dany and Drogo would eventually fall in love, or at least the G.R. Martin version of love before the end.

You do realize that that was actually only rapey in the show, right? If you read that part in the books after the fact, it's actually jarringly consensual, with Drogo riding her out into the countryside and basically whispering sweet nothings into her ear until they have sex.

Edit: beaten

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Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

Hexel posted:

They are already there, at an inn down the road, they smuggled a message in to Sansa by servants saying to light a candle in the window of the tower Brann fell out of if shes in trouble.

I guess Brienne is just gonna sit there till she gets her bat signal.

Stannis is gonna come in and triumphantly wreck the Boltons and just as it looks like he's got the North and will move on Kings Landing, Brienne will come in out of nowhere and kill him.

Seriously I've gotten some unsettling foreshadowing vibes ever since Brienne pledged to Pod she would kill Stannis earlier this season. It's not going to end well for at least one of them. :ohdear:

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