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Fungah! posted:if you want an actual flaw with XIII's combat, the main character dying being an instant game over is raw dog bullshit It was equally bullshit in Baldur's Gate, even with story justification. 
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Overbite posted:Wasn't 13-3 supposed to come out on Steam? I want to play it but I'm holding off on the PS3 version because it was supposed to be on Steam along with the others. It was supposed to be out by Spring. Who knows when it'll come out.
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May 23, 2015 18:15
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Fungah! posted:if you want an actual flaw with XIII's combat, the main character dying being an instant game over is raw dog bullshit Yeah that's dumb as hell and probably the only improvement between XIII and XIII-2
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May 23, 2015 18:22
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Yeah that's dumb as hell and probably the only improvement between XIII and XIII-2 I kind of like the Bleed status/damage. It was kind of a neat idea. Damage to Max HP is something I don't think I've seen in FF before.
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May 23, 2015 18:25
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I kind of like the Bleed status/damage. It was kind of a neat idea. Damage to Max HP is something I don't think I've seen in FF before. Final Fantasy 15. 
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:I kind of like the Bleed status/damage. It was kind of a neat idea. Damage to Max HP is something I don't think I've seen in FF before. Disease in XII.
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Fungah! posted:if you want an actual flaw with XIII's combat, the main character dying being an instant game over is raw dog bullshit AOE attacks in general felt really annoying too. Even if it's technically like the old games (they either hit or they miss) I feel like they should've been presented differently, like having MISS show up on the character. edit: The timing for Smite-like attacks was also fimmicky and could've been better too Momomo fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 23, 2015 |
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May 23, 2015 20:17
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Kalenn Istarion posted:I'll say it: anyone who doesn't figure out that staggering is important by the 5th hour of the game is either being wilfully obtuse or is an actual retard, and of all the possible complaints about XIII, this isn't a valid one. It's like playing Super Mario Bros. without using the B button to run. Sure you can technically make progress but calling it a flaw in the game that you don't get it is in fact pretty loving stupid. Like, it gives as much emphasis to an enemy staggering as it does to your own party's HP. The final boss can't be hurt without staggering it! Is it FFX's weakness that you don't know how to look at the turn listing? It's got a 20 hour tutorial that doesn't even present the illusion of agency and is mean as poo poo if you don't play by its rules but I'm not sure how much more it could emphasize Staggering as a core combat mechanic without it blinking in blood red letters all the time in every fight that perhaps you should stagger foes.
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May 23, 2015 20:26
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I haven't played them since college but X and X-2 had really good combat systems, I thought. X had a lot of clever encounters you couldn't just auto-battle through, and X-2's fights were really, really fun in general.
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May 23, 2015 20:31
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Momomo posted:AOE attacks in general felt really annoying too. Even if it's technically like the old games (they either hit or they miss) I feel like they should've been presented differently, like having MISS show up on the character. yeah that was my other problem, aoe attacks nailing you based on character position sucks when you've got no way to control character position. i really like 13's combat otherwise though, it's maybe the best ARPG system i've played
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May 23, 2015 20:42
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There is a meter in the top right corner and as it increases you deal proportionally more damage. Who sees a feature that lets them deal 2, 3 or up to 10 times as much damage as their normal attacks and thinks "that's not important". FF XIII sucks and I wasn't able to finish it and it's not because I couldn't grasp the combat system it's because of literally any reason except the combat system. There are a dozen other complaints you could make about the game that doesn't make it sound like you put a paper bag over the right side of your television.
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May 23, 2015 21:10
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I never tried Final Fantasy XIII because I wasn't keen on the idea of spending twenty hours before the game got complex enough for me to even tell if I liked the basic gameplay concept of switching AI patterns around instead of just telling the party members exactly what to do like normal. Also, the idea of a fast-paced menu-driven system is weird to me. Isn't the whole point of menus that it's turn-based so you can take your time making a decision?
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May 24, 2015 03:45
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Bongo Bill posted:Isn't the whole point of menus that it's turn-based so you can take your time making a decision? Nah. That's one possible benefit to it but there's a reason previous Final Fantasy games had an Active system (even if you could set some to wait.) Menu-based gameplay isn't just about having unlimited time to think.
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May 24, 2015 03:52
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May 24, 2015 03:58
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:The trolls in this thread are going to give ImpAtom a conniption I didn't think that was a troll.  It seemed like a legitimate question.
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May 24, 2015 03:59
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For a menu based game it certainly didn't do a very good job with its menus. You'll be using autobattle almost all the time, and because they tried to make them fancy, the transitions when changing menus takes a bit longer than it really should.
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May 24, 2015 04:05
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:The trolls in this thread are going to give ImpAtom a conniption The closest ImpAtom has come to a brain shutdown is with Dark_Tzitzimime. No one else comes close to that level.
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May 24, 2015 04:05
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ImpAtom posted:I didn't think that was a troll. I mean troll in the cosmic sense. You're better than them, and smarter. I've been wanting to ask you about LR combos, a legitimate topic, but it still hasn't come out on steam so I've been holding it back.
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May 24, 2015 04:06
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mycot posted:The closest ImpAtom has come to a brain shutdown is with Dark_Tzitzimime. No one else comes close to that level. That's because he's not a troll, he's completely serious.
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May 24, 2015 04:07
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Boten Anna posted:They outright said that the battle and general game mechanics were tacked on after they made a bunch of CG cutscenes for XIII. I can't play any of the XIII games and I am a lifetime Final Fantasy fan because they are not fun at all. You may have enjoyed it anyway, and no judgement, I willingly played XIV 1.0. But they are objectively not very good and poorly designed game mechanics. You should play Lightning Returns.
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May 24, 2015 04:12
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Nihilarian posted:There is a meter in the top right corner and as it increases you deal proportionally more damage. It's a long standing tradition of FF fans to use the most boring, mindless, inefficient strategy wherever possible. And most FF games are easy enough that that strategy works 99% of the time.
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May 24, 2015 04:27
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T.G. Xarbala posted:That's because he's not a troll, he's completely serious. I miss the Vita thread before that guy turned it into the senran kagura thread
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May 24, 2015 04:28
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I do like how you can tell who the worst people are by the ones who always have to point out that something they don't like is "objectively" bad. It isn't enough to just not like something, nobody else can like it either without being secretly ashamed
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May 24, 2015 04:44
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Kalenn Istarion posted:"This game was bad so I spent 100 hours on it and exhaustively beat every possible thing in it" Try 25 hours, and I only found that the game started to go super bad for me around 15-17 hours in. I figured that I might as well finish it to see if it gets any better. I didn't even do like, 50% of what the game supposedly offers because it wants people to do multiple runs. Feel free to continue playing make believe though, it's funny.
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May 24, 2015 04:46
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I'm ashamed of disliking Final Fantasy IX.
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May 24, 2015 04:46
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm ashamed of disliking Final Fantasy IX. FF9 kinda sucks in this gamer's opinion.
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May 24, 2015 04:48
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*screen pans around post for 15 seconds* ff9 is the best, but i can't fault anyone who doesn't like it
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May 24, 2015 04:49
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm ashamed of disliking Final Fantasy IX. I'm not, that game is a train wreck.
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May 24, 2015 04:51
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm ashamed of disliking Final Fantasy IX. I'm pretty proud of myself for disliking Final Fantasy IX
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May 24, 2015 04:51
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Final Fantasy IX is great because it pegs the exact moment that Square went creatively bankrupt.
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May 24, 2015 05:05
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Final Fantasy IX sucks because the battle system is boring. edit: Objectively boring at that
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May 24, 2015 05:08
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Yeah square definitely went creatively bankrupt a year or two before providing us with FFX, the final fantasy game with the hottest babes on the planet.
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May 24, 2015 05:08
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gigglefeimer posted:Final Fantasy IX sucks because the battle system is boring. Final Fantasy IX is actually the best-reviewed Final Fantasy game despite having the lowest sales of a single-player main entry released on a PlayStation system. Final Fantasy IX largely lacks character customization in favor of learning preset skills from equipment. It's an idiot-proof system, or at least idiot-resistant. Coincidence? I think not.
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May 24, 2015 05:14
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Final Fantasy IX is the best reviewed Final Fantasy game because it owns
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May 24, 2015 05:17
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Every Final Fantasy game is the best in the series. I'm turning the thread paradigm on it's head
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May 24, 2015 05:18
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Why do you like your favorite FF game, FF thread?
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May 24, 2015 05:18
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Cake Attack posted:Why do you like your favorite FF game, FF thread? YIKES Stay Gooned posted:hottest babes on the planet.
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May 24, 2015 05:20
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FFMQ has the best soundtrack of any FF game.
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Cake Attack posted:Why do you like your favorite FF game, FF thread? I really like Ivalice one of the few games I've read the lore and background stuff.
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