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I am painfully tempted to try for the hammer just because I wanna see someone get lynched. Having my first game of mafia end before anything really happens would be kinda dull.
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Asiina posted:I'm the other doctor, idgaf, you're all morons if you think that I'm scum. What I see from this is Asiina believes the "screw it vote for myself" defense is better than arguing why she isn't the scum. That does seem like a lazy, if not scummy, way of defending yourself.
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May 26, 2015 08:56
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And I did tell DGK to not behave like that before. Really wish I had an edit function earlier.
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May 26, 2015 08:59
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Gridlocked posted:What I see from this is Asiina believes the "screw it vote for myself" defense is better than arguing why she isn't the scum. That does seem like a lazy, if not scummy, way of defending yourself. This is also what I see. The claim is pretty much looking for any possible way out of it.
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May 26, 2015 08:59
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DGK2000 posted:This is also what I see. The claim is pretty much looking for any possible way out of it. That was my thinking at the time too when I got annoyed at you for it. It feels desperate.
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May 26, 2015 09:02
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As Shanakin just said to me, despite all the accusations at him "hell even I haven't been that desperate or lazy"
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May 26, 2015 09:04
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quote:EccoRaven wrote on May 22, 2015 5:53 PM:
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I thought we weren't supposed reveal mod communications, including role PM's? http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Standard_mafia_rules#Publishing_Mod_Communication Although revealing role PMs and guessing between fake claims or not was a thing where I used to play.
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May 26, 2015 09:09
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Well thats a modkill.
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May 26, 2015 09:10
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That is so incredibly loving lovely Asiina. Asiina, Ismet Jordanou, Evangelical (town-aligned faith healer), was modkilled day 2. Day over. Night actions.
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With the rising sun, the Talons saw more death. This time it was their leader, Oza. He ruled with kindness and mercy, and he never once raised his temper at a child for being rude or foolish. He was the best of them, and now he was as dead as an Arrentish locktrout on the Feast of Saint Georgette. Grandicap, Oza, Leader (town-aligned naive cop), was stabbed to death night 2. It is now Day 3.  7 alive, 4 to execute. Day 3 deadline: Thursday, May 28th, ~11PM EDT.
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 The Current Day 3 Votecount  Not Voting (7): Dead Cow, DGK2000, Gridlocked, Quandary, QuoProQuid, Shanakin, WHICH WAY MADNESS With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to be executed. The current deadline is May 28th, 2015 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 19 hours.
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May 27, 2015 08:17
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May 27, 2015 08:44
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Naive cop means now I can't trust DGK.
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May 27, 2015 08:46
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Gridlocked posted:Naive cop means now I can't trust DGK. As of N2, there is someone else in this game who can confirm me.
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May 27, 2015 09:26
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EccoRaven posted:ALSO: If you have fewer posts than me by the start of Night 1, I am going to send PRODS out to people to have them post more. If they don't pick it up by Night 2, I will be seeking their replacement! EccoRaven posted:
Now it is time to call out QPQ for being scum.
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May 27, 2015 09:30
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Asiina posted:I'm the other doctor, idgaf, you're all morons if you think that I'm scum. Also apparently Asiina was right and I am in fact a moron, cause I will admit to thinking DGKs case against her after the meinberg bomber incident was pretty decent. Knowing that Asiina was town, I do find the very rapid succession of the DC/DGK posts voting for her to be a bit suspicious. More unconfirmed masons like Shanakin and I?
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May 27, 2015 09:34
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DGK2000 posted:As of N2, there is someone else in this game who can confirm me. Who is going to stand up and put their head on the chopping block for you though?
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May 27, 2015 09:35
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Dead Cow posted:I'm not a wizard, Bowmore's lie was just that bad. Also assuming there is at least 1 good guy left because the game hasn't ended yet; we can make a guess there is 1 scum and 1 3rd party thanks to the flavour. 3 coins for 3 scum and maybe 1 person who is trying to get them all?
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May 27, 2015 09:40
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Gridlocked posted:Also apparently Asiina was right and I am in fact a moron, cause I will admit to thinking DGKs case against her after the meinberg bomber incident was pretty decent. DC is my wife. We tend to post around the same time, because one of us sees the other posting. I honestly thought Asiina was scum, considering how many I had picked. I'll case QPQ tomorrow after I've gotten some sleep.
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DGK2000 posted:DC is my wife. We tend to post around the same time, because one of us sees the other posting. I honestly thought Asiina was scum, considering how many I had picked. I'll case QPQ tomorrow after I've gotten some sleep. Fairo. I am trying to figure this out still; good puzzle. The only thing I am willing to bet the game on now is that Shanakin is a Townie.
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May 27, 2015 11:32
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Gridlocked posted:Who is going to stand up and put their head on the chopping block for you though? I will. DGK and QPQ are both confirmed town
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May 27, 2015 11:37
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:I will. On what grounds are you able to confirm?
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May 27, 2015 11:40
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:I will. Also how do you feel about DC now?
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May 27, 2015 11:43
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Hell how do you feel about myself and Shanakin? I know I look like I am buddying him pretty hard.
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Gridlocked posted:Fairo. I am trying to figure this out still; good puzzle. If I assume we're both town, WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:I will. And take this at face value: That leaves Quandary and Dead Cow. Dead cow has come up numerous times since the very first day, and at least a few people here, myself included, seem to think She's probably scum. (Many think I am too but hey can't please everyone I guess). ##Vote Dead Cow I'm curious to see how this flips.
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I don't have a lot of time to post because I need to be out the door in <10, but here's my logic. votefinder posted:
There are 7 of us alive. Me, QPQ, and DGK are now confirmed town. Dead Cow, there is no way she would have ever, ever bussed bowmore like that for two solid days to the brink of her own lynch. She is effectively confirmed town in my eyes. That leaves 3. Gridlocked, you're a cute little innocent lamb of a town, you've put in equal parts effort and cluelessness and I don't see you as scum. Now we're at a crossroads, it's either Shanakin or Quandary. Hmm... Quandary posted:Would also vote DGK. Lots of posting but very little substance. He tried to get involved in that dumb loving 'gotcha' on bowmore, and looked to characterize the vote on dead cow as a policy lynch when there was a lot of evidence behind it. Lots of white noise posting. Quandary posted:Rereading over bowmore and a few of the votes on him, j really do not see it. It strikes me as bowmore was being lazy d1 but didn't read as particularly scummy, and most of the votes on him are based on joke vote stuff or his reaction to calls out on his joke vote stuff and I really disagree with them. Would not vote. Quandary posted:I could see a meinberg vote, but I think Shanakin and DGK are much better votes. Go look at Shanakin for me please Quandary posted:Yeah posts like these are newbie scum 101. Very happy with my vote on shanakin, though I'd switch to dgk or meinberg or DC I guess if that's the way the wind pushes. Your post history is equal parts tunneling in on shanakin, mafia coaching, and bullshit defenses of bowmore and, to a lesser extent, meinberg. I'm not saying Shana is town if you are scum, but I will say you came into the thread and swung at the lowest hanging fruit available, that being one of the newbies. I don't have time to explain any more about my role, I'll leave that up to QPQ because I am out the door, but honestly, everyone needs to ##vote Quandary
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So what you're a cult then.
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:Gridlocked, you're a cute little innocent lamb of a town, you've put in equal parts effort and cluelessness and I don't see you as scum. Also I resent that. I really wish I was mafia just so I could have the satisfaction of killing you at night and laughing maniacally.
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Gridlocked posted:So what you're a cult then. I'll confirm what MADNESS is saying. DGK, MADNESS, and myself are members of a confirmed mason group, of which I am a recruiter. Up to three people at a time can be members of the group. If I try to recruit scum, then everyone in the mason group dies. I had initially recruited fiery_valkyrie N1, and with her gone we needed to make a replacement last night. Consequently, MADNESS and myself had to put our heads together to figure out who we could safely recruit. DGK was the most obvious answer. Our reasoning was pretty much as follows: After going through the last few days, we noticed that both DGK and Dead Cow had been pushed really hard as lynch candidates by bowmore, and to a lesser extent Meinberg.One doesn't really have to look very far in bowmore's post history to see DGK being called "scummy as poo poo" (1). The same is also true for Dead Cow, who is attacked for her "terrible scum play," (2) but to a lesser extent. bowmore pushes really really hard for DGK's lynch (3), (4), (5) and I'm a little surprised that I didn't notice it earlier. Meinberg similarly pushes for his death (6), (7). We really doubted that scum would bus their ally that much, and our suspicions were confirmed with DGK's successful recruitment last night. This successful recruitment leaves us with Dead Cow, Gridlocked, Quandary, and Shanakin. As I've mentioned, MADNESS and I have similarly strong doubts that Dead Cow is scum. Not only do scum attack her (see above), but she's also one of bowmore's most outspoken critics. She's the first person to pick up on bowmore's "lie" (7) and one of the few people to continue pressure on him throughout the day (8), (9), (10). I cannot conceive of any scum player wanting their ally to die so badly, especially when that ally is a Mafia Janitor. It's almost ridiculous to think, after the back and forth between Meinberg, bowmore, and Dead Cow, that she is scum. Let's dismiss Dead Cow, saying that it is highly unlikely that she is scum. Gridlocked, as has been mentioned, is a sweet infant child whose innocence remains untainted by the harsh realities of Kerm. Though I often have issues with the outcomes of his analyses, these outcomes are the result of mistakes that I would anticipate a newbie townie to make. He makes cases (11), and is THE most active member of the town (12). While it is possible for a scum player to do both these things, I doubt from my personal experience that a brand new player would be capable of doing both. He lacks any of the awkwardness and non-commital reads that one should anticipate from a new scum player. Let's dismiss Gridlocked by saying that he is unlikely to be scum. This brings us to Quandary, whom I really consider one of the biggest mysteries in the game. In a game with suspicions raging over bowmore, Dead Cow, DGK, and others, Quandary has really thrived in the background. Very few people have talked about him at all and he's been satisfied leaving the occasional post to show that he's still here without being in the heart of debate. Lurky would be one way to describe him, if I wasn't already the least active player in the game. What immediately sticks out for me when I go through Quandary's post history is just how non-committal he is about many things. In one of his first serious votes against Shanakin, he names off DGK and Dead Cow as other people that he would be comfortable with lynching (13). He makes a very similar post later on, stating that Shanakin's posts are "newbie scum 101" before proceeding to list other players he would be willing to lynch, including: DGK, Meinberg, and Dead Cow (14). That's an entire fourth of the surviving player-base and virtually everyone who has been mentioned as a potential lynch. It doesn't sound like he's providing genuine reads or searching for scum. He's just looking for someone to lynch. Reading over his other content, he is one of the players to defend bowmore (15) and is one of the early players to attack Shanakin (16). While I largely agree with his criticisms, if he's scum then Shanakin is an easy target. Let's put Quandary down as likely scum. Finally, we can review Shanakin. I've talked a little about Shanakin before (17) and tried to emphasize just how shady he comes off. While it is true that he's a brand new player (18) and should be held to a different standard, almost every single post of his pings me. He throws lots of names around without making any recommendations, as though he is naming people off because people expect him to (19). He does attack bowmore, but it is on something as inconsequential as a post edit and when it looks like he might be modkilled (20). He goes in for an easy lynch (21) and then immediately backs off when someone calls him on it (22). He tries to use bowmore mid-day death to vindicate himself, implying that he was one of the main pushers and shakers against bowmore and should be dismissed as a result (23). I don't feel good when I look at Shanakin. These fears are substantiated when one looks at bowmore's post history. Throughout the game, bowmore provided a plethora of reads. When asked about his thoughts on Shanakin, however, he delayed providing an answer. He hasn't " paid much attention yo shanakin, will read" (24). When asked about it again, he says that he "still [hasn't] had time to read Shanakin, today maybe" (25). If we understand Shanakin as newbie scum, then these posts come off as someone trying to defend their buddy without implicating themselves. He's not going to provide flames to the fire that is Shanakin's lynch, but he cannot tie himself to someone who looks incredibly suspicious. The best he can do is dismiss the issue and refocus on people, like Dead Cow (26). If he is town, then Shanakin is an immensely easy target, because he has provided a whole boatload of bad content. It's simply mind-boggling that they would have ignored such a good target. Shanakin, in my eyes, is highly likely scum. MADNESS and myself are agreed on a whole host of issues, but I think Shanakin is a better lynch than Quandary. I would not object if we do end up lynch Quandary instead, as he is suspicious in his own way, but for the time being I am sold on Shanakin. ##vote: Shanakin
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That post ended up being a bit longer than I anticipated and I still have to catch up post-wise, so here's a chart I made last night depicting every read bowmore and Meinberg made in the game. Red is obviously for the dead.
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I'm sorry wwm, you looked really bad for a bit. ##vote Shanakin I prefer this over quandary for the reason that Shanakin is still alive.
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May 27, 2015 15:39
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DGK2000 posted:Now it is time to call out QPQ for being scum. u jerk
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I'm gonna laugh so hard if I get popped and then everyone is all surprised to see I'm not scum. It's 12:40am so I'm going to bed now, but for now you've made good points about Dead Cow, so I'm gonna swap to my other option ##Vote Quandary I'll answer whatever questions people want in the morning if they feel so inclined. Or not, if I wake up dead. Eitherway is fine.
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That is a pretty amazing post. Have a flow chart Shanakin and I made while he was flying planes and I was watching Magic vids over the last few hours:  You can replace instances of Dead Cow with instances of Quandary and vice versa. I am still pretty sure Shanakin isn't scummy but as a test of your theories I would be happy to vote for Quandary like WWM as he was with DC on our list of scum.
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Shanakin posted:I'm gonna laugh so hard if I get popped and then everyone is all surprised to see I'm not scum. Usually when a person is about to by lynched they: 1.) Provide any and all reads they might have to help the town proceed in the event of their death; 2.) Provide any reason why they should NOT be killed, such as an explanation for their behavior or secret Ace that proves they are not scum; 3.) Claim I would recommend doing those to help us all out!
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Gonna hold off on the vote till tomorrow morning though as Shanakin said it's nearly 1am here and I have to replace half my PC parts in the arvo and pray my CPU isn't the broken component.
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Actually stuff it gonna ##vote Quandary now. Predictions: Qundary comes along sometime before Shanakin and/or I wake up and look at thread, votes for Shanakin. DGK brings hammer down on Shanakin around the same time. If Shanakin flips scum I am totally buying him a beer and/or beverage of his choice on Saturday because he has earned it; he's never been very good at being the traitor in games. If he flips townie: hahahaha all you haters ha.
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I'd like to give Shanakin a chance to give his final thoughts in the event that he has EARTH SHATTERING INFORMATION, but I've played through today several times in my head and there's not many ways this day can play out. In the improbable event that Shanakin doesn't flip scum I'll recruit Quandary tonight and we will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoBrob3bjI.
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Gridlocked posted:Actually stuff it gonna ##vote Quandary now. I want to hear what both of them have to say, and their claims.
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