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OhYeah posted:I suspected as much, but I can't remember if it was actually confirmed in the books. If it was, then when and where and by whom? I think Sam finds it in his research and then Jon is like "whoops, there's only like 4 of these things in the world and noone will give them to us, ever".
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yeah it was theorized based on sam's reading, but never tested
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Jun 1, 2015 15:44
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I think Sam finds it in his research and then Jon is like "whoops, there's only like 4 of these things in the world and noone will give them to us, ever". Aren't there supposed to be hundreds of Valyrian steel weapons out there in Westeros?
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Jun 1, 2015 16:00
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I don't know if there are hundreds of blades but there are definitely a few dozens, if House loving Drumm of Old Wyk has a Valyrian sword there's obviously quite a few pieces, not to mention a valyrian steel dagger in Robert's armory nobody even noticed went missing when Joff stole it back in the first book. Or some sellsword in essos having a valyrian steel arakh, etc. The Wiki has a list of known and lost Valyrian blades - http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_steel
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Jun 1, 2015 16:04
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The Night's King looks like Darth Maul and is therefore a dumb design. Bring back the walkers from the end of season 3 goddammit.
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Jun 1, 2015 16:18
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Hardhome was a cool action scene and Dinklage putting Clarke on his shoulders made for a good scene too. Everything else seemed very "just checkin in on ya" but i did also like Qyburns little "the work continues" wink. Also im convinced stannis takes winterfell now because how else is davos or whoever going to go on Rickonquest?
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Jun 1, 2015 16:26
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I don't know if there are hundreds of blades but there are definitely a few dozens, if House loving Drumm of Old Wyk has a Valyrian sword there's obviously quite a few pieces, not to mention a valyrian steel dagger in Robert's armory nobody even noticed went missing when Joff stole it back in the first book. Or some sellsword in essos having a valyrian steel arakh, etc. I don't know why the words "hundreds of blades" stuck with me, I vaguely remember reading something along these lines the books. Still more than four. 
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Jun 1, 2015 16:27
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The relevant sentence is "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone." - you did see that.
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Jun 1, 2015 16:42
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quote:A small number of maesters, including Maester Luwin and Archmaester Marwyn, have Valyrian steel links in their collars, representing their study of magic and occultism. Marwyn also has a ring, a rod and a mask of Valyrian steel. Since it appears that the White Walkers just up and shatter instantly when they come into contact with Valyrian steel, can we get some sick Valyrian steel mask headbutting action? Sam goes to Oldtown, gets the above mentioned items, and decks a couple walkers with his big head and magic rod 
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Jun 1, 2015 17:06
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waiting for the epic horse chase with valyrian steel spikestrips I liked that episode but it was really funny where jon was like "everyone who joins will get one of these" and has the dragonglass but then when he needs his dragonglass, instead of carrying it on him like any sane person out behind the wall would, he had it stored at the bottom of his trunk wrapped in three layers of dramatic tension cloak. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Jun 1, 2015 17:07
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:yeah it was theorized based on sam's reading, but never tested Dragonsteel in the book was thought to be Valerian steel
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Jun 1, 2015 17:21
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The Night's King dude in the show looks like a total wimp. They should have made it some super jacked dude instead.
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Jun 1, 2015 17:37
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Aurain posted:The Night's King dude in the show looks like a total wimp. They should've made him something ethereal and alien, considering the whole point of the Others is that they're basically the Unseelie. God only knows why the producers thought Crappy Wrinkled Ice Monster was better. Incidentally my initial viewing of the TV show lasted one scene; I saw their terrible design for the Others and immediately stopped watching. I decided to start viewing again when they were moving the plot on from the books.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:33
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I was like, hey, a new strong female character making good decisions and oh, she has kids and oh, they are going on the boat without her too bad she is going to die and then she sees dead children and of course she then stops being able to fight because she is a woman and children are their secret weakness.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:59
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/31/game-thrones-lady-stoneheart/article_2205333 Regarding the earlier discussion of LOTR and this series, George talks a bit in this interview about how much the death of Gandalf and Boromir affected him.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:02
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The scene where she said goodbye to her kids was such a hard ripoff of that scene from the two towers (so and so says he cant ride so and so-a-mer, he is too big!) i actually thought that scene happened in GOT when olliy's farm town got attacked for a second and they were doing it in reverse on purpose to show some wildlings are jist like them. Turns out i was actually just super high
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Jun 1, 2015 19:05
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Holy poo poo its so obvious Olly is going to kill Jon. I feel embarrassed that i had to have that pointed out by an ep review.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:09
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Holy poo poo its so obvious Olly is going to kill Jon. I feel embarrassed that i had to have that pointed out by an ep review. And Sam gave him the green light. Good job, Sam.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:17
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Huh, wasn't expecting that. A proper White Walker scene that I've been waiting for since I read the GoT prologue and, at long last, Tyrion and Dany interaction. Too bad it took seven episodes of poo poo to get to it, but maybe there's hope for the show giving us a somewhat satisfactory ending after all.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:35
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OhYeah posted:I don't know why the words "hundreds of blades" stuck with me, I vaguely remember reading something along these lines the books. Still more than four. Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:The relevant sentence is "Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone." - you did see that. I think GRRM's "problem understanding numbers" comes in to play when talking about the scarcity of Valyrian steel. He claims that there are a few hundred / few thousand, but at the same time claims that they're scarce enough that all the gold of Casterly Rock can't buy one. The Lannisters have been trying to buy one for a very long time, and haven't been able to get anyone willing to part with one for any price. The Lannisters also have some guy who knows how to melt down existing Valyrian steel and reforge it into a new shape. That guy has to have had stuff to experiment with and practice on in order to learn how to do it. Where did he get his stuff? 
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Jun 1, 2015 19:39
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Most of them probably have historical value to the families in question, at least in westeros. Not giving up the family heirloom out of pride seems par for the course, though you're right that it's weird that no one at all would sell one. Maybe they've never gotten a reasonable asking price - I don't think they were literally willing to pay all the gold in casterly rock for a sword because that's stupid. I agree re: the smith and that was one of the questions I had "oh that guy can forge them, which he learned to do by...???" - though I guess the citadel can forge valyrian steel chain links.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:43
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Trivia posted:The Night's King looks like Darth Maul and is therefore a dumb design. Darth Maul was the only good thing about the prequels.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:46
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Jorah Mormont was so deep in debt he started trading in slaves yet he didn't sell Longclaw, his father on the other hand, instead of leaving this priceless family heirloom to his sister and her many warrior-daughters gives it to some random Stark bastard whom he knew for like three months, go figure. Tywin Lannister not being able to acquire a blade when a loving sellsword captain in Essos carries one and tons of houses which could've easily been coerced into selling exist in westeros is ridiculous.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:48
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Jorah Mormont was so deep in debt he started trading in slaves yet he didn't sell Longclaw, his father on the other hand, instead of leaving this priceless family heirloom to his sister and her many warrior-daughters gives it to some random Stark bastard whom he knew for like three months, go figure. That was the worst part. And see readers, it's a bastard sword. Get it? A bastard sword? For Jon Snow? Cause he's a bastard? Get it readers?
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Jun 1, 2015 19:51
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Mnemosyne posted:The Lannisters also have some guy who knows how to melt down existing Valyrian steel and reforge it into a new shape. That guy has to have had stuff to experiment with and practice on in order to learn how to do it. Where did he get his stuff? I asked this earlier too and it always bugged me. I know it's a fantasy world and crap but I thought it was kind of a minor mistake on GRRM's part. Then again maybe Valyrian weapons can be smelted down and recast into a new mold and they don't need reworked or something? No idea I don't make swords for a living. Wouldn't that harm the integrity of the weapon? Maybe making the steel itself is lost to people but it acts like normal steel kind of like how mythril was easy to work with but extremely powerful.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:55
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I always got the sense that nobody knew how to make Valyrian steel itself but once you have some it's no big deal melting it down and reforging it.
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Jun 1, 2015 20:12
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In the books Tobho Mott is said to know how to rework valyrian steel, i doubt this involves melting them down first that was just the show basically paying homage to conan the barbarian, to be honest it's probably also the easiest way to visualize the whole 'taking ice and reforging it into two new swords' thing without confusing anyone. The books basically go on and on about how valyrian swords have these ripples because the steel has been folded on itself so many times, it's not just about the type of steel used but also about the actual process and magic spells cast during the actual forging process.
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Tyrion wondered where the metal for this one had come from. A few master armorers could rework old Valyrian steel, but the secrets of its making had been lost when the Doom came to old Valyria. “The colors are strange,” he commented as he turned the blade in the sunlight. Most Valyrian steel was a grey so dark it looked almost black, as was true here as well. But blended into the folds was a red as deep as the grey. The two colors lapped over one another without ever touching, each ripple distinct, like waves of night and blood upon some steely shore. “How did you get this patterning? I’ve never seen anything like it.” “Nor I, my lord,” said the armorer. “I confess, these colors were not what I intended, and I do not know that I could duplicate them. Your lord father had asked for the crimson of your House, and it was that color I set out to infuse into the metal. But Valyrian steel is stubborn. These old swords remember, it is said, and they do not change easily. I worked half a hundred spells and brightened the red time and time again, but always the color would darken, as if the blade was drinking the sun from it. And some folds would not take the red at all, as you can see. If my lords of Lannister are displeased, I will of course try again, as many times as you should require, but—” -Storm of Swords.
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OhYeah posted:A battle scene that doesn't make you cringe and is actually pumps up your adrenaline? Check. The wight scene was terrible, though. My view of the others/wights were that of a slow, seemingly unstoppable and extremely durable force that is slowly encroaching on the wildlings and the wall. Not some paper-mache generic skeleton ghouls that are super fast, super loud, and super boring along with their scrotum-skinned masters. Stupid. e: Dangerllama posted:No one else disappointed they turned the white walkers into World War Z style fast zombies? Complete with an overhead shot of whatshername being "eaten" by zombie kids (what?) I mean I get that they are zombies in the book, but I always pictured them…differently. Not as parkour skeletons. Exactly. kill you are self fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 1, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Holy poo poo its so obvious Olly is going to kill Jon. I feel embarrassed that i had to have that pointed out by an ep review. Little dude was created with the sole purpose of killing everything Jon loves before culminating in the man himself, so why not. "Daario is arguably more essential to Dany's journey [than Belwas]" When was the last time he poo poo on the battlefield, EW? He's essentially Dany's kin.
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Jun 1, 2015 20:30
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They melted Ice. Valyrian steel can be melted and reforged. But they can't put whatever Valyrian magic back into it so Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper are probably just really high quality swords but they'll be all shattered and poo poo by the ice zombies because they're now just good steel instead of magic steel.
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Jun 1, 2015 20:33
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:They melted Ice. Valyrian steel can be melted and reforged. That passage above about the old steel is stubborn and remembers makes me think those dark ripples wouldn't shatter but the red ripples would.
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Jun 1, 2015 21:07
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After reading up on all the nights king stuff I feel like Melisandre is going to end up being the night queen lady who he had the hots for. Her interaction with the flaming sword monk kind of doesnt jive there but who knows
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:They melted Ice. Valyrian steel can be melted and reforged. Tobho Mott says he used a bunch of spells to rework it, so it should be at least kinda magical. Though where he would learn spells from is another mystery.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I was like, hey, a new strong female character making good decisions and oh, she has kids and oh, they are going on the boat without her too bad she is going to die and then she sees dead children and of course she then stops being able to fight because she is a woman and children are their secret weakness. That was kind of stupid yes, but we got lot of those "made for idiots" scenes in other series as well. Remember Lost and all the bullshit Kate episodes? Gotta have something for the desperate housewives there too. Syncopated posted:http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/31/game-thrones-lady-stoneheart/article_2205333 Wait, Gandalf didn't die. Can't this man finish any book, even when it's not his own? Mnemosyne posted:I think GRRM's "problem understanding numbers" comes in to play when talking about the scarcity of Valyrian steel. He claims that there are a few hundred / few thousand, but at the same time claims that they're scarce enough that all the gold of Casterly Rock can't buy one. The Lannisters have been trying to buy one for a very long time, and haven't been able to get anyone willing to part with one for any price. Most of them are probably family heirlooms with enormous emotional value. I think most people also attributed magic properties to these weapons, so selling one would probably be considered dangerous and unwise. Mnemosyne posted:The Lannisters also have some guy who knows how to melt down existing Valyrian steel and reforge it into a new shape. That guy has to have had stuff to experiment with and practice on in order to learn how to do it. Where did he get his stuff? I guess when there are a couple of hundred blades in Westeros, and more in the Free Cities there will be at least a few smiths who have experience with them. Kind of niche, specialist deal. Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Most of them probably have historical value to the families in question, at least in westeros. Not giving up the family heirloom out of pride seems par for the course, though you're right that it's weird that no one at all would sell one. Maybe they've never gotten a reasonable asking price - I don't think they were literally willing to pay all the gold in casterly rock for a sword because that's stupid. FAKE EDIT: Beaten like Cersei at the sept. emanresu tnuocca posted:Jorah Mormont was so deep in debt he started trading in slaves yet he didn't sell Longclaw, his father on the other hand, instead of leaving this priceless family heirloom to his sister and her many warrior-daughters gives it to some random Stark bastard whom he knew for like three months, go figure. Mormont was a very wise man and probably in all of his years as the Lord Commander immediately recognized something special in John Snow. As for the sellsword in Essos... "this weapon is your life". I'd hate to quote a retarded person, but maybe that's the way sellswords look at their prized Valyrian blades. They ARE your life. If you lose it, or sell it, you're cursed, dead. Ron Jeremy posted:That was the worst part. And see readers, it's a bastard sword. Get it? A bastard sword? For Jon Snow? Cause he's a bastard? Get it readers?  I didn't get it. I just thought "okay it's not a shortsword, and not a longsword, something in between". Bastard sword for a bastard boy, very clever.  A GLISTENING HODOR posted:But they can't put whatever Valyrian magic back into it so Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper are probably just really high quality swords but they'll be all shattered and poo poo by the ice zombies because they're now just good steel instead of magic steel. That's an interesting thought, but some of the evidence suggest that they keep most of whatever supernatural properties they had prior to being worked on.
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I was reading the TV iv thread. These people are going to be really upset when Jon gets killed.
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Mnemosyne posted:Tobho Mott says he used a bunch of spells to rework it, so it should be at least kinda magical. Though where he would learn spells from is another mystery. I think Tobho is associated with the faceless men (has the black and weirwood doors, is from essos).
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RC Cola posted:I was reading the TV iv thread. These people are going to be really upset when Jon gets killed. After that Olly & Sam scene, at least some people have to see it coming, right?
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CaptainRightful posted:After that Olly & Sam scene, at least some people have to see it coming, right? It's the most painful telegraphing I have seen.
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The best armourers learn how to reforge valyrian steel in Quhorik ; the free city thlobbering Vargo Hoat is from. It's heavily implied that they need blood sacrifices to make it work.
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