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Corvinus posted:Imagine a thread with Victor, Kyrie, CoC and Alexander Nevermind going at it. giggity Now imagine they manage to agree on some poo poo and found a school together in which they will teach literally 100s of kids their worldview. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Most people with the appropriate creativity would be appalled by the stuff they were being asked to illustrate. And they're too cheapskate to pony up the cash for stuff from stock photo/clip art/etc sites with the appropriate licenses to illustrate things. I don't think being creative/good at art necessarily leads one to a good moral framework, as there's a lot of Nazi and Communist propaganda from WWII, and both Stalin and Hitler were authoritarian monsters. https://www.google.com/search?q=sov...Aw&ved=0CB0QsAQ What they had and PJ's Authoritarians lack is the ability to see the world as it is, rather than how they think it is. In order to draw well, you have to let go of your convictions about what a thing looks like, and draw what you see rather than what you expect to see. Authoritarians hold on to their expectations about the world for dear life, and artists have to let those expectations go.
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Prester John posted:. Its already happening it just gets swept under the rug by being "handled" by the church leadership and making sure those outsiders to the church like the police, any government body gets any complaint about it. They also can hide behind the fact that each of these 400 member churches are a island so obviously the same thing going on 3 blocks over is totally unrelated. It keeps me up at night sometimes.
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Jack Gladney posted:For one, the police report confirmed that the Duggars practice the method of blanket training proscribed by Michael Pearl, and presumably the rest of his method of total control, which they had previously denied employing: The more I hear about "blanket training" type poo poo the more it sounds like the Little Albert experiment except replacing loud noises with pain and rabbits with "lack of immediate and total obedience." also the experiment never ends and the scientists tell Albert it's god's voice he hears inside him telling him to fear the bunnies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment I'm surprised they just don't put shock collars on the kids quote:Blanket training is a parenting method that comes from the dangerous, backwards, evangelical parenting book To Train Up a Child by Michael and Debi Pearl. The Pearl method relies on corporal punishment to teach children total obedience, and it’s terrifying—at least three child deaths have been linked to the teachings in the book.
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flu-like symptoms posted:The more I hear about "blanket training" type poo poo the more it sounds like the Little Albert experiment except replacing loud noises with pain and rabbits with "lack of immediate and total obedience." What in the making GBS threads hell is wrong with these people! I feel awful if I yell at the drat dog, and these sadistic pieces of trash do this kind of poo poo to their own children?! it's like discovering Free Republic all over again. gently caress these people forever, and anyone else who feels that this kind of sadism is acceptable. I need a shower.
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Also what the hell is with the idea that any act of disobedience is out of malice?
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snorch posted:Also what the hell is with the idea that any act of disobedience is out of malice? Because they view any disobedience against God as being out of malice (why would you reject your perfect creator and all that rot), and thus view all disobedience that way. Also, it's a way to justify the child abuse, since the child is instigating the malice.
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snorch posted:Also what the hell is with the idea that any act of disobedience is out of malice? I expect they believe that children are naturally wicked as a consequence of their fallen state.
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Jack Gladney posted:I expect they believe that children are naturally wicked as a consequence of their fallen state. Because they came out of a vagina and those people hate vaginas more than anything. I mean, it's pathological or something. They loving hate the entire female reproductive system but when it comes to the front office as it were, they're all about the shame and pain.
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Dirk the Average posted:Because they view any disobedience against God as being out of malice (why would you reject your perfect creator and all that rot), and thus view all disobedience that way. Also, it's a way to justify the child abuse, since the child is instigating the malice. Disobedience to your parents probably is disobedience against God in their minds. The Old Testament says that disobeying your parents is a sin punishable by death. With that as your moral baseline, it's pretty easy to justify any level of child abuse as being lenient. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 posted:If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
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It should be noted that in many ancient societies, a father held authority over his sons until he died. Under Levitical law it doesn't even have to be child abuse, a 20-something man could be ordered around, beaten, or killed by his father.
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Nolanar posted:Disobedience to your parents probably is disobedience against God in their minds. The Old Testament says that disobeying your parents is a sin punishable by death. With that as your moral baseline, it's pretty easy to justify any level of child abuse as being lenient. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 posted:
My parents and the cult leader literally read this verse out loud to me and then explained that in biblical times rebellions children like me were stoned to death as a warning to the other children. This happened multiple times. So yeah, they take all sin as a willful act of malice. Worse, they view a consistently sinning child as a potential threat to the other children, since a child's sin can spread to other children almost like a disease. I was not the only child to be isolated from all extra contact with other children as a sort f "quarantine" against my "spirit of rebellion" putting the salvation of other children at risk.
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Do they tell everybody you were a glutton and drunkard too? I mean, it's all there in the manual.
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So yeah  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xat0q8aDug This is pretty not good. All this Civil War II LARP could lead to some batshit explosions of insanity. Add into this videos like this wherein we have a demonstration of mental illness being accepted in leadership. This is either a Schizophrenic making doomsday prophecies and being taken seriously, or a sociopath role-playing as one. In either case, there is a chance that at some point random pockets of people become convinced that this is indeed the end times/CWII/Race-Cleansing, and then those people start doing some strange poo poo. When Inner Narratives pop out into the public sphere they can take the form of allllllllll sorts of random bizareness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmsSFk7TLkA Edit: Can I shout out "Called IT!" on this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gynMAWCx_Mw
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So when the craziness happens, like, the GRAND CONVERGENCE or whatver, what do we think the end result will be ? Bloodshed and War? Or will they burn themselves out in sound and fury?
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southpaugh posted:So when the craziness happens, like, the GRAND CONVERGENCE or whatver, what do we think the end result will be ? Bloodshed and War? Or will they burn themselves out in sound and fury? Personally I'd guess the latter, because these people are by definition unable to see reality for what it is, and playing a game where you can't see the board is not a way to accomplish your objectives.
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Jun 2, 2015 20:43
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Nice shiny Ford pickups loaded up with white men carrying nice fancy AR-15s, culling entire housing projects Contra style. You think I'm kidding?
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SedanChair posted:Nice shiny Ford pickups loaded up with white men carrying nice fancy AR-15s, culling entire housing projects Contra style. Yeah They'd be way sloppier than the contra guys
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Jun 3, 2015 00:52
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SedanChair posted:Nice shiny Ford pickups loaded up with white men carrying nice fancy AR-15s, culling entire housing projects Contra style. Something kind of like the Minutemen terror groups in Arizona?
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Jun 3, 2015 02:47
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(The third link from the above post). I gotta have that Egg Bucket. $110 for 145 servings sounds like a great deal. Please Lord! Reveal unto me the holy secret of the Egg Bucket! [Egg related glossolalia]
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Don't know if this is the right place for this, but Prester John might be interested and I hear he reads this thread. ACE has been advertising in the UK that its ICCE (International Certificate of Christian Education) will get students enrolled at UK universities "without any other qualification". They've been told to stop by the Advertising Standards Authority. https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2015/4/International-Certificate-of-Christian-Education/SHP_ADJ_287049.aspx#.VW6pKWOZh8Equote:Ad
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southpaugh posted:So when the craziness happens, like, the GRAND CONVERGENCE or whatever, what do we think the end result will be ? Bloodshed and War? Or will they burn themselves out in sound and fury? I hate using this word but I feel it's appropriate in this context; to me this is a form of unintentional accelerationism. Nobody went out and pretended to side with the RWAs on this one but it really looks like the end result is going to be the worst of the worst exposing themselves for what they really are: violent fascists. The mostly sane majority will see that the craziest of the crazy minority are actually starting to put their money where their mouths are. They'll be arrested and thrown in prison and some of them will do murder/suicides. This will hopefully result in a pretty noticeable shift in public opinion towards the right wing. I'm not saying that the problem will completely go away but I'm hoping that these seemingly inevitable acts of violence will vilify the ideology enough that they'll start lose power. At the very least it will show the rest of the nutjobs who were too cowardly to join in the violence that they really are the minority. I know that Freeper types will never accept this, but if enough sane people start to understand that these wackos are not just a few bad apples and actually represent the end-game of right-wing thought and praxis, we'll have enough of a backlash against them that we won't have to worry about them holding significant governing power for a while. That's my hope at least. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, RWAs included. However it seems like that's what's going to happen, at least on a small scale.
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Elephant Ambush posted:That's my hope at least. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, RWAs included. However it seems like that's what's going to happen, at least on a small scale. Any action by the fringe can be dismissed by the majority simply by saying "they're not really one of us". People use this as an argument against religious nuts all the time, surprisingly it's really effective.
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SnakePlissken posted:And I want to stop talking about religion for a bit, in part because I think highly of them, or many of them. Churches are not the source of authoritarianism. But I do kind of think that there are some deep structures that contribute greatly though. I'd like to ramble on about that maybe in a bit. This is stuff I haven't thought through all that far but seems pretty plausible or at least interesting. You can't even talk about Christianity without talking about its involvement with the Roman government and centralized authority. Churches are historically authoritarian by default because they always rely on some explicit hierarchy. Even to the Roman government early Christian era, they took not worshipping their gods as being synonymous with loyalty to their government, which led to many overt actions against Jews and Christians when they failed to fall in line. It's why I partly find history written of the Catholic church to be infinitely more interesting than history of the Bible. It's literally generations of political intrigue and them routing out other Christian sects or Muslims- often using subservient governments to do so.
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Job Truniht posted:You can't even talk about Christianity without talking about its involvement with the Roman government and centralized authority. Churches are historically authoritarian by default because they always rely on some explicit hierarchy. Even to the Roman government early Christian era, they took not worshipping their gods as being synonymous with loyalty to their government, which led to many overt actions against Jews and Christians when they failed to fall in line. Be careful not to confuse authoritarianism in the normal sense with Authoritarian in the sense meant by this thread. Just having an explicit hierarchy doesn't imply the inner/outer narratives and cognitive pillars that PJ talks about.
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Nolanar posted:Be careful not to confuse authoritarianism in the normal sense with Authoritarian in the sense meant by this thread. Just having an explicit hierarchy doesn't imply the inner/outer narratives and cognitive pillars that PJ talks about. I don't agree with his definition, because it assumes there exists some accident in personal character than something that can be rationally derived or inherited. Authoritarian institutions will spread authoritarianism. It doesn't matter if it is inherent or something deliberately put into place by the people who derived it. As for governments, you can feel that pressure exerting on you every day to be an authoritarian: it's called the law.
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Job Truniht posted:I don't agree with his definition, because it assumes there exists some accident in personal character than something that can be rationally derived or inherited. Authoritarian institutions will spread authoritarianism. It doesn't matter if it is inherent or something deliberately put into place by the people who derived it. As for governments, you can feel that pressure exerting on you every day to be an authoritarian: it's called the law. It's not her "definition" of authoritarianism. She's defining something new she doesn't have a word for, and is using capital A Authoritarianism to describe it, while acknowledging that it's not the same thing as authoritarianism. There will probably be a better word for it once she's able to fully define it.
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Job Truniht posted:I don't agree with his definition, because it assumes there exists some accident in personal character than something that can be rationally derived or inherited. Authoritarian institutions will spread authoritarianism. It doesn't matter if it is inherent or something deliberately put into place by the people who derived it. As for governments, you can feel that pressure exerting on you every day to be an authoritarian: it's called the law. In addition to what my dad said above, PJ and others have posted a number of times about what sort of environment can result in a person with a PJ Authoritarian mind set. So no, it doesn't assume there's some accident of personal character, it can totally be a decision that is arrived at as well as an outlook that can be taught to others given the right circumstances.
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Run with me here ladies and gentlemen while I temporarily take the governor off the Schizophrenia and let this baby run at full power for few minutes. Let us accept for a moment that the Authoritarian structure I have been describing is in fact, a self replicating behavior pattern. We have all been debating this "mind virus" idea because taken at face value, a virus is the nearest thing we have as a tool to conceptualize it. Consider for a moment that we humans are to some degree, self aware automatons. As near as we can yet tell, our bodies are sustained by chemical reactions controlled by an information exchange system we call DNA. Remove the concept of self awareness for a moment and view humanity from the perspective of information exchange. We (like all life) are a self replicating pattern regulated via information exchange. We store and control the expenditure of energy in order to exchange information in a controlled fashion with the apparent ultimate purpose being the preservation of the information pattern itself. Perhaps this pattern of self replicating information exchange structures persists through other levels of nature as well. Let us consider the level of our physical bodies. The human body is a gigantic and as yet still inconceivably complex self replicating pattern of information exchange. More on point though, our bodies represent a huge conglomeration of interwoven self replicating information patterns, a complex eco-system of interacting and inter-dependent information patterns that are yet to some degree still independent. Consider Dust Mites for example, as they are basically just automatons whose only purpose is to self replicate. They are a chemical reaction fueled data perpetuation system that is literally regulated and controlled by its data, or DNA. The self replicating pattern that represents dust mites just happens to perform a useful function and be in balance with its "host" pattern. Taken from the information exchange perspective, a Dust Mite is really just a slow motion computer program. We don't normally conceive of it (or other simple organisms like bacteria) as such, and I think this is largely due to how we humans conceptualize time. (Which is in itself largely a result of how we experience time) Because we think of computer programs executing their functions in seconds rather than over the course of the lifetime of a micro organism. But from this data exchange perspective, a Dust Mite is a self replicating computer program that executes its function via the mechanism of chemical reactions directed and regulated by the data stored via chemical means in its DNA, rather than the electrical means our computers use. Despite these functions occurring in a different “medium” (as it were) the net effect is however still virtually identical along certain broad corridors. So what I am proposing here is a thought experiment where we step back a couple steps from our normal way of conceptualizing life, and look at it purely from this “self replicating data pattern” perspective. Before we do, allow me add a major caveat- -Because of the limitations of our current communication format (English) I am going to be using the language of intent to describe some concepts. I do this because English (or at least my understanding of it) does not (at this moment) possess accurate tools with which to conceptualize what I am attempting to describe here. So I want to be clear that when I use terms like “opportunistic” or “function” I am not trying to ascribe intelligence or self awareness to these data patterns, but rather I will be using such language in the context of how a simple organism is said to be “opportunistic” (i.e. a bacteria that infects via breaks in the skin caused by a mosquito bite is said to be “opportunistic”), or when I describe the “function” or “purpose” of portions of these self replicating data patterns I will be doing so in the same manner with which the “function” or “purpose” of the protein spikes that the Ebola virus uses to hook itself into a cell wall are described. Put more simply, if a 2x4 is supporting part of the weight of a wall, we can speak to the 2x4’s “function” or “purpose” as a load bearing support. How the 2x4 got to be where it is would be beyond the scope of this discussion. Returning to our perspective of self replicating data patterns, there are generally two mediums that we have observed this effect. The medium of biology (data stored in DNA), and the digital medium (Data stored in Binary). I am then proposing the addition of a third medium where self replicating data patterns exist, that medium being the human mind. When we see a popular cat meme we speak of it “going viral” because a virus is the nearest thing we have that exists as a common conceptualization tool that we as humans can use to describe the observed behavior. (From the self replicating data pattern perspective, this makes sense. A virus is the simplest biological data form able to self reproduce, and a cat image on the internet fits that role nicely as well.) We call it “viral” because we don’t yet know a better way of describing the behavior while at the same time we note the commonalities the behavior has with living things. Suppose for a moment that the patterns we see emerging out both computer code (with its oft noted wacky behavior despite our best efforts) and nature are natural artifacts emerging out of the complex exchange and reproduction of data. That is to say, we see many many random glitches and oddities emerging out of both, and by sheer dint of the numbers of times this happens self reproducing data patterns naturally emerge. (Note that I am aware that the example is not perfect because computer programs do not emerge naturally, they are created by human hands. There is however an recognized phenomena of computer code sometimes doing its own goddamn thing for reasons we just do not understand yet.) Suppose also that the human mind is in some ways a biological computer. (It receives data, stores it, processes it. The brain is the hardware, our personality is software, etc) We are constantly (and through a variety of methods) exchanging and reproducing data whenever we interact with other humans. All these propositions taken together then, it would then seem to follow logically that within the human population self reproducing data patterns would naturally emerge that exist only in the (collective) human mind. Additionally, just like in nature we have the simplest form of data self replication (a virus), we also have a staggering variety of far more complex variants of the same theme of self replicating data patterns. A virus is simplicity itself when compared to a bacterium, and both are orders of magnitude simpler than even the tiniest mammal. In the digital format we have again have a wide range of varying degrees of complexity evident I tentatively propose then that there may exist a complex and interactive eco-system of self replicating data patterns that occur only in the medium of the (collective) human mind. A psycho-social “flora and fauna” of complex interactions between an as yet unrecognized variety of these self replicating data patterns, if you will. A “living” (but not self aware or directed) biosphere of data patterns that by random chance have “evolved” characteristics that permit them to self reproduce. Furthermore, much like microbial life these patterns would have a wide variety of complexity, as well as being constantly changing and evolving. It would make sense then that opportunistic self replicating data patterns would target childhood as that is the most vulnerable point in the development of the human psyche. Much like with how diseases are generally more dangerous to the developing child body, during childhood our developing minds would logically be more vulnerable to infiltration by the behavior equivalent of these "Mental Fauna". Dust mites are passed on to us as children, as are literal millions of other micro organisms (mouth bacteria for example) some of which are benign, others serve a beneficial purpose as our bodies develop and age, and a few that are so exploitive as to be considered malevolent. In the same manner, Authoritarianism opportunistically targets children as its primary method of self replication because children have the least developed resistances against it. I’ve got a good bit more I think I can develop on this concept but my head literally hurts too much to try and construct the Communication Metaphors required to explain further, so I’m going to put this up here for now and see what you all think.
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Prester John posted:I’ve got a good bit more I think I can develop on this concept but my head literally hurts too much to try and construct the Communication Metaphors required to explain further, so I’m going to put this up here for now and see what you all think. Douglas Hofstadter made a good run at trying to frame the concept of self-referential patterns of symbols in both Gödel, Escher, Bach and I Am a Strange Loop. I think that the sections in GEB on the anteater and the anthill provides for a good point of commonality here. Prester John posted:In the same manner, Authoritarianism opportunistically targets children as its primary method of self replication because children have the least developed resistances against it. I have likely missed this in previous posts... but do you believe that this is the willful acts of individuals attempting to propagate their beliefs, or that Authoritarianism is an emergent phenomenon that has taken on a life of its own at a level above the individuals that it works either on or through?
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It has been said before, but you are just describing memes/memetics http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
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Yeah, that whole writeup made me think of Dawkins' The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion. If you haven't read those then I'd seriously give them a go over (especially Selfish Gene). You'll have to do your best to divorce Dawkins The Scientist from Dawkins The Obnoxious Smug rear end in a top hat.
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Job Truniht posted:Would you care to back this claim up? The only historical precedence for this were Stalinist regimes. Well, the problem is that stalinism doesn't exist. But all the countries which get described as stalinist make up the bulk of the socialist states which hung around for more than 30 seconds and actually achieved a lot of their goals. There's no way to abolish capitalism without "authoritarianism". Pacifist socialist: give your private property to the people. Capitalist: No. Pacifist socialist: please? Pacifist socialist: *is murdered in a cia coup* Capitalist: god bless america, and its troops
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HorseLord posted:Well, the problem is that stalinism doesn't exist. But all the countries which get described as stalinist make up the bulk of the socialist states which hung around for more than 30 seconds and actually achieved a lot of their goals. Wait, is the goal "abolishing capitalism," or is it the greatest happiness for the greatest number, with socialism as a route to that? Because democratic socialism is pretty awesome, it just doesn't "abolish capitalism." edit: yikes that's a response to a post on the second page of this thread -- nevermind I thought I was in a different thread. Suffice to say I think non-authoritarian democratic socialism is at least a valid possibility for a form of government (see: Scandinavia).
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Prester John posted:snip I'm going to echo what the other posters have said and suggest you read Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach and Dawkin's The Selfish Gene. The concepts you're describing are well fleshed-out there, and I think both books could add to your "mental vocabulary."
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Trivia posted:Yeah, that whole writeup made me think of Dawkins' The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion. If you haven't read those then I'd seriously give them a go over (especially Selfish Gene). True enough. I got to read me some Dawkins the Scientist. Prester John posted:Run with me here ladies and germs ... Sure, I follow you, it's clear and cohesive, and pretty much resembles some of what Dawkins was saying a few years back. And I don't think one can entirely escape the 'language of intent' either, when talking about memetics. And I had some ideas I wanted to offer, but I'm trying to quit a 30-year coffee habit and my brain isn't happy with me ATM, so I'm going to keep mulling things over a bit more and hope to bring more to the table here soon, after the pain goes away hopefully. This memetics stuff I find really exciting, as well as the main thread topic, so keep on!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wait, is the goal "abolishing capitalism," or is it the greatest happiness for the greatest number, with socialism as a route to that? Because democratic socialism is pretty awesome, it just doesn't "abolish capitalism." If it doesn't abolish capitalism, then it's not socialism. Socialism is a thing that replaces capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. What you are thinking of as "democratic socialism" is actually Social Democracy, which is at best a well meaning but naive attempt to make a humane capitalism. At worst, it's an attempt to prevent a socialist revolution before it even happens via appeasing the working classes demands for better life in the most immediate way, which is why you saw things like working class British people only getting the right to vote when they came home from WWI while the ruling classes' collective monocle was still knocked off by the Russian Revolution, the post WWII welfare state, etc. It's interesting to consider that that more malicious strand of Social Democracy died out when capital started to realize their fear of the Soviet bloc becoming a "good example" to western working classes was unfounded. This was what let regan and thatcher go "gently caress all y'all" and set about reversing the postwar social democratic gains. They knew they could destroy any political force that opposed them, and did. Actual democratic socialists are anticapitalists also, they just think that they can get there via winning the capitalist state in an election, and reforming their way to utopia. This won't work, but they still do great things in making life better. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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HorseLord posted:If it doesn't abolish capitalism, then it's not socialism. Socialism is a thing that replaces capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. Yes that's the classic theory but several of those points are at least debatable if not disprovable (Marx's adoption of Hegelian historical dialectic is suspect at best; in practical terms differentiating between "social democrat" and "democratic socialist" often seems little more than hairsplitting; etc.) and would probably massively derail the thread if we actually started debating them here. Regardless though I think all we need to establish for this thread is that nations can exist with either democratic socialist or social democratic governments without simultaneously being "authoritarian" governments. And depending on which definition of "social democrat" / "democratic socialist" you're looking at, you can generally find plenty of historical examples of such non-capital-A-Authoritarian, non-Totalitarian, by-some-definition-"socialist" governments. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jun 4, 2015 |
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Don't you dare poo poo up this thread you Tankie motherfucker. Edit: HorseLord is literally a Tankie, he is an angry young white Englishman who loving loves Josef Stalin and jumps to his defense in multiple D&D threads. Ignore every single thing he posts.
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