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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
needs vocals imo

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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
im trying to make a song using binary numbers and only the black keys

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
excuse me, i mean e flat pentatonic minor :awesome:

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

Tayter Swift posted:

needs vocals imo

yeah that's the plan. gotta write lyrics though, which is always the rate-limiting step

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

nerd

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed
a friend just left, he brought his toddler over to "creepy uncle enotnerts" house, which had fun, she has more conversational skills than many adults I know, and she saw her dad playing with a guitar string I have nailed to a 2x4, and wanted to play. . . so I gave her the ms20

she hit keys on the patch I had and I went "bleep bloop" and showed her she could turn a knob, she started turning knobs, and when she took off the headphones I asked "bleep bloop?" "no bapp fart"

I put the phones on and drat, a kick drum and then a fart wave.

Kids not even 3, smart as gently caress and kept wanting to play.

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed
aka, today. . . a 2 year old made a better patch than me.

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

enotnert posted:

aka, today. . . a 2 year old made a better patch than me.

:synthesis:

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
you recorded and soundclouded it right

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed
i wish I had, she was going to town. . . she started grabbing knobs on other devices hoping they would alter the sound, alas. . . none of them were patched in.

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever

enotnert posted:

aka, today. . . a 2 year old made a better patch than me.

further— knows the true meaning of synthesis lies in farts

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
i would like to learn how to compose music

i took "music tech" class in high school, which taught me how to use reason. that's all I know. twiddling knobs and routing wires.

i'd like:

  • a DAW that hosts VSTs and is good and easy to learn
  • a good thing to read (I hate videos) about music theory/composition

as for the first thing, some folks here said Renoise was good but I downloaded it and looked at it and read the quick start guide and I remain convinced that the concept of a "tracker" was invented by a robot that hates humans.

so, is REAPER any good?

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

atomicthumbs posted:

so, is REAPER any good?

all DAWs are pretty similar with renoise and reason being kinda weirdos of the bunch. just gently caress around with everything until you find one that clicks? personally I love Ableton. I'm not alone on this.

as for music theory i don't know shitg. ffuck around with pianorolls 'til it sounds good erry day

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
I hate tutorial videos, would much rather read how to make audio flatulence with maybe a couple of screen shots. I can see the appeal of video but i'll take words over it any day

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

atomicthumbs posted:

so, is REAPER any good?

REAPER is an amazing DAW for the money, and there's not much you could ever need from a DAW that it doesn't do. That said, it's fuckugly and does not have a particularly smooth workflow. As far as "good and easy to learn", I have to say that I've been doing computer music thingies since the early 90s and Bitwig has the nicest interface of any DAW I've ever used. It still doesn't have the full feature set I would want (AU support, video, etc.), but it has a great layout and workflow.

HOWEVER. If you just want to dick around and learn about composing music and bleeping and blooping and whatnot without recording much actual audio from microphones (i.e., mainly using vst samplers and synths), you might consider FL Studio. It's a drum machine that basically expanded into a DAW, and while it's not the nicest interface in the world it's far from the worst. It also comes with a decent set of built-in bleep bloop devices.

Also, Mac or PC? If you're on a Mac, Logic Pro is $199 and is a great standard DAW with a ridiculous amount of high-quality built-in content. It only runs AU plugins though, not VST. Not usually an issue, since pretty much everything VST on a Mac is also available as an AU.

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien

atomicthumbs posted:

i would like to learn how to compose music

i took "music tech" class in high school, which taught me how to use reason. that's all I know. twiddling knobs and routing wires.

i'd like:

  • a DAW that hosts VSTs and is good and easy to learn
  • a good thing to read (I hate videos) about music theory/composition

as for the first thing, some folks here said Renoise was good but I downloaded it and looked at it and read the quick start guide and I remain convinced that the concept of a "tracker" was invented by a robot that hates humans.

so, is REAPER any good?

Got an iPad? Cubasis is pretty o.k., using genome as a sequencer is also pretty hip. If you think trackers are a thing for robots that hate humans though you're never gonna get sequencing or computer based composition anyway.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners

atomicthumbs posted:

i would like to learn how to compose music

i took "music tech" class in high school, which taught me how to use reason. that's all I know. twiddling knobs and routing wires.

i'd like:

  • a DAW that hosts VSTs and is good and easy to learn
  • a good thing to read (I hate videos) about music theory/composition

as for the first thing, some folks here said Renoise was good but I downloaded it and looked at it and read the quick start guide and I remain convinced that the concept of a "tracker" was invented by a robot that hates humans.

so, is REAPER any good?

for the latter, you should get a subscription at groove3 or macprovideo. they have videos on music theory and most of the big daws (ableton, logic, cubase, etc), as well as a lot of the popular synth vsts. it's probably worth your while to just focus on one vst and learn the hell out of it - I recommend monark, which has a simple architecture and sounds ridiculously loving good

synth goons, is there any downside to a tr-8 or should I just go ahead and buy one

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
macprovideo is so drat good

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Sizone posted:

Got an iPad? Cubasis is pretty o.k., using genome as a sequencer is also pretty hip. If you think trackers are a thing for robots that hate humans though you're never gonna get sequencing or computer based composition anyway.

no, I said they were designed by robots who hate humans.

"we have a byte to store a parameter value from 0-255. let's make them enter it in hexadecimal to prepare them for when we abolish the base 10 number system entirely"

Mr. Glass
May 1, 2009
can someone explain what a low pass gate does and what it sounds like. is it just a vca in series with a low pass vcf? or is there something more subtle going on

Zaxxon
Feb 14, 2004

Wir Tanzen Mekanik

Mr. Glass posted:

can someone explain what a low pass gate does and what it sounds like. is it just a vca in series with a low pass vcf? or is there something more subtle going on

it's basically just a low pass VCF, but most of them use Vactrols to handle the CV meaning they give some weird nonlinearities that sound cool.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

atomicthumbs posted:

no, I said they were designed by robots who hate humans.

"we have a byte to store a parameter value from 0-255. let's make them enter it in hexadecimal to prepare them for when we abolish the base 10 number system entirely"

the gently caress are you doing posting in yospos if you can't handle basic single-byte hex conversions

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Dessert Rose posted:

the gently caress are you doing posting in yospos if you can't handle basic single-byte hex conversions

i'm a computer garbage man, not a programmer

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...
also lol at both of you for responding to "I need some place with things to read (I hate videos)" with "Here's a video site (one of them even has "video" in the name) which covers those things"

I recommend Music Theory for Computer Musicians, op. it is pretty good, though you definitely have to do the exercises; one advantage of video tutorials with music stuff is that you can immediately hear the concept being explained, and your brain will link up the terms like "brighter" and "richer" in ways that it won't automatically do if you're just reading those words on a page.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...
like the trend toward video tutorials for 99% of computer things really annoys the poo poo out of me but it makes a lot of sense for music

EMILY BLUNTS
Jan 1, 2005

video for computer doesn't usually work because it's a horrible nerd talking over a recorded screenshot of some lovely windows thing but yeah for anything visual/audio it works great

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I use sonar if I want to do midi poo poo, ableton if I'm making wacky sound edits of things, and I want to learn renoise for when I want to do tracker poo poo as well, as someone who has used screamtracker and adlib tracker

my dad used band in a box for 20 years and now he uses sonar

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 8, 2015

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

trackers are for robots because they grew out of old Amiga and Atari software with a matching UI in 2015

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin

atomicthumbs posted:

no, I said they were designed by robots who hate humans.

"we have a byte to store a parameter value from 0-255. let's make them enter it in hexadecimal to prepare them for when we abolish the base 10 number system entirely"

designed by horrible nerds, used by horrible nerds

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
video tutorials are too slow, the best is writeups with video illustrations

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

wayfinder posted:

video tutorials are too slow, the best is writeups with video illustrations

yes this would be the best, do you have any links to places that do this?

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

wayfinder posted:

video tutorials are too slow, the best is writeups with video illustrations

"too slow" is my problem and this would solve it

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...
the worst is like, rick snoman. he's really good, he knows a lot of poo poo, his videos have a lot of really useful info, the dance music manual is fantastic

but watching him use software is excruciating, he has clearly never put any time into actually learning shortcuts or anything

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...
and what sucks is, you can't do what makes coding videos and the like tolerable with audio - speeding up the video sort of destroys the entire point of watching it since it alters the audio

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I enjoy watching tutorials of daws and vsts and hardware synths

in fact I think I enjoy that more than actually making music

what is wrong with me

EMILY BLUNTS
Jan 1, 2005

Tayter Swift posted:

I enjoy watching tutorials of daws and vsts and hardware synths

in fact I think I enjoy that more than actually making music

what is wrong with me

its gearporn

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
and marc doty is their pimp

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
i dont know of any place that does all their tutorials like that (written + video illustrations), ive only seen a handful and cant remember any right now :(

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

lol I understand wanting to learn a music program with written instructions, but music theory without audio is like literature without metaphor

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Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

theflyingexecutive posted:

lol I understand wanting to learn a music program with written instructions, but music theory without audio is like literature without metaphor

yeah i dont know how many times i read things like "this makes the sound brighter" and had no clue what that actually meant because i'd never heard it

or "this interval feels like it is trying to resolve to" and again, no loving idea how that could even be a thing

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