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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:They've left enough book chapters out that they're probably going to re-introduce those filler chapters, at least based on the current casting calls. Season 6 might not introduce much of anything. A whole season of Craster's Keep quests. What GRRM really wants to see happen next season: Gianthogweed posted:Balon Greyjoy falls off a bridge and dies and they have to select a new king for the Iron Islands. There's a kingsmoot to select the new king and his brothers, Victarian and Euron compete for leadership along with Yara. Euron wins because he has a dragon horn that kills the person who blows it, but supposedly it can tame dragons. Euron means to marry Daenerys and he sends a fleet to Essos to capture her. Victarian goes but plans to marry her instead.
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:Maybe D&D can add him into the show later, have it be two different characters BUT never show them in the same place AND have both played by the same actor JUST to gently caress with people That would be pretty golden. mind the walrus posted:Same people who believe Jaqen is Syrio. Humans are naturally loving desperate to make the pieces of their fictions as connected as possible no matter the costs. Religion could be argued to this end. aw cmon, Jaqen could totally be Syrio. makes more sense than Jon being resurrected.
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Jaqen being Syrio would be "Arys Oakheart is loving Arianne Martell" levels of 'why should I care about any of this?' Syrio is a cool dude with 2-3 cool lines who grows fond of Arya and thinks living at winterfell and serving the starks would be pretty cool, then he dies cause Meryn Trent has armor and a big sword. If you add to his story that he was actually a faceless man who then escapes Trent and gets arrested so he could be taken to castle black by Yoren this only makes Jaqen's already half nonsensical plot even more ridiculous.
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Jaqen = Syrio would only make sense if Jaqen had already heard or Arya before she even left Winterfell. Why on earth would a Faceless Man care to train some rando lord's daughter? Or do the conspiracy theorists suggest that Arya is The Chosen One of the FM and they have a prophecy on her and poo poo?
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Its been a while since I've read feast and dance, can someone remind me why sam had to travel to braavos on his way to loving oldtown? Isn't old town on the western side of westeros, nowhere near the narrow sea? Wouldn't it have made sense to cast off from the western nights watch castles instead of eastwatch by the sea?
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Grendels Dad posted:Jaqen = Syrio would only make sense if Jaqen had already heard or Arya before she even left Winterfell. Why on earth would a Faceless Man care to train some rando lord's daughter? Or do the conspiracy theorists suggest that Arya is The Chosen One of the FM and they have a prophecy on her and poo poo? He was disguised as Syrio so he could be close to the Westeros crown by being a foreign dignitary. He took on Arya because why not. Girl showed promise. Etc. Try reading the books instead of not thinking, drat.
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Grendels Dad posted:Jaqen = Syrio would only make sense if Jaqen had already heard or Arya before she even left Winterfell. Why on earth would a Faceless Man care to train some rando lord's daughter? Or do the conspiracy theorists suggest that Arya is The Chosen One of the FM and they have a prophecy on her and poo poo? Well, Jaqen's introduction, his actions while in Harrenhal and the general mystery of his quest are as ripe for looking into for conspiracies as anything. If we know he was ultimately bound for Oldtown why was he in the black cells and later on headed towards castle black? He takes an immediate interest in Arya the minute he sees her, even before she rescues him from the fire. Either Jaqen is at liberty to just take his time and change his priorities at will or there's something more to it. But adding Syrio into it doesn't really add that much to it and kinda makes the character of Syrio itself less cool, he died saving Arya while being a badass, why take one character who's had a good ending and unnecessarily make it all sorta meaningless cause it was just this other character in disguise and he didn't actually die.
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I don't think they have any ships at (*googles*...westwatch-by-the-bridge, uhh, okay), it overlooks a gorge and they'd have to go down a river to get to the sea. There aren't many ports/trade routes on the west coast in general because of the ironborn there and I imagine they were likely to get raided if they did try to sail past. Also weren't they just on some sort of trading vessel? I imagine those mostly travel the narrow sea because that's where the action is, there's nowhere to go on the west coast except oldtown, lannisport, and the iron islands.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Its been a while since I've read feast and dance, can someone remind me why sam had to travel to braavos on his way to loving oldtown? Isn't old town on the western side of westeros, nowhere near the narrow sea? Wouldn't it have made sense to cast off from the western nights watch castles instead of eastwatch by the sea? Master Oldguy would have died on the journey. Even harder than he eventually did on the detour. emanresu tnuocca posted:But adding Syrio into it doesn't really add that much to it and kinda makes the character of Syrio itself less cool, he died saving Arya while being a badass, why take one character who's had a good ending and unnecessarily make it all sorta meaningless cause it was just this other character in disguise and he didn't actually die. Yeah, this is how I see it too. I liked Syrio's backstory, trying to spin more out of that looks to me as if people want to out-GRRM GRRM. Maybe Syrio started out as Syrio but Jaqen
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Arcsquad12 posted:Its been a while since I've read feast and dance, can someone remind me why sam had to travel to braavos on his way to loving oldtown? Isn't old town on the western side of westeros, nowhere near the narrow sea? Wouldn't it have made sense to cast off from the western nights watch castles instead of eastwatch by the sea? Sam caught a ship travelling from Eastwatch to Braavos in hopes of catching another ship to Oldtown from there. The Night's Watch doesn't have the ships to spare to ferry Sam specifically to Oldtown, so he could only hitch a ride as far as Braavos and then had to try and figure out how to get to Oldtown. There's no port at the western castle Shadow Tower (and even if there was, it'd mean sailing through the Iron Islands so it would be a bad idea).
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Well, Jaqen's introduction, his actions while in Harrenhal and the general mystery of his quest are as ripe for looking into for conspiracies as anything. If we know he was ultimately bound for Oldtown why was he in the black cells and later on headed towards castle black? He takes an immediate interest in Arya the minute he sees her, even before she rescues him from the fire. Either Jaqen is at liberty to just take his time and change his priorities at will or there's something more to it. Because they're stupid and hellbent on running this poo poo into the ground in a smouldering mess. They realized that skipping Stoneheart, the show will never be a perfect adaptation and if it cant be perfect why even bother at all? Let's just turn it into a shitshow. Turns out if you take the last two books and cut out all the new characters and only include the parts with existing characters, subbing them in for important parts of new characters, you can get through both books at hyper-speed in one season, it looks like poo poo but hey here we are. Syrio? Who give a gently caress. We're killing Dany next season for reals killing her because her contract is over and Ollie is the new main character, but Ramsay still kills him in the end because sorry, actor's starpower script-override. If you thought this had a happy ending hahaha /kills self Welcome to the HBO GoT Pro-Wrestling Federation! Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Does Emily Clark's contract seriously expire next season? LMAO, I called it. Dany is getting fragged by her own squad.
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Apparently the contracts are intentionally misleading to hide the "twists" that they're coming up with. The only twist they've come up with so far and used over and over (across multiple shows) is suddenly kill off the main character and try to continue on like nothing happened. With no actual book to stay faithful to they can blame any weak parts on that, considering how bad this season was, I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Syrio was lazy at his job if he was straight up legitimate. All of arya's training was getting her away from him. She had to chase cats. She had to balance on one toe all loving day. Any toe, so that's a week and a half minimum where she's not fencing. She only got trained with the sword once at the beginning and once at the end. All the rest was busy work so he could do ??????? That's only from our perspective though. What begs too much belief is how he'd know a fencing instructor was needed and would be a good cover to enter the castle at this time. Finally he was in the black cells for some reason? If syrio was captured he'd have ended up there, but what I feel is too disconnected is how you ring meryn's bell 20 times and humiliate him and then hands up surrender the second arya is out of sight. Or why your old face and new persona would have the same accent. Finally the only famous person who dies is robert, and that was a boar, so if he was here on a job and the target was someone he absolutely needed to get into the red keep to kill, why didn't we hear about a single suspicious/natural death during this time? I guess it is a silly idea but it is fun to think about.
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quote:Finally the only famous person who dies is robert, and that was a boar, so if he was here on a job and the target was someone he absolutely needed to get into the red keep to kill, why didn't we hear about a single suspicious/natural death during this time?
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He went to oldtown for some inscrutible reason and only killed the kid who stole the keys. It's possible he wanted information for an ongoing project. But then he could have done that while pretending to tutor Arya. I can't really handwave it away without begging the question again. Why was he there? Guess we'll never know.
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Jaqen was in Kings Landing to watch the tournament. He got into a bar fight and killed two guards. He was thrown into the black cells and shipped off to the wall. It's all in subtext in Ned chapter 8.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Jaqen was in Kings Landing to watch the tournament. He got into a bar fight and killed two guards. He was thrown into the black cells and shipped off to the wall. It's all in subtext in Ned chapter 8. a man does not handle his mead well
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The Syrio = Jaqen theory also kinda hinges on Ned just going to the docks and recruiting any random Braavosi water dancer whom he knows nothing about to train his high born daughter and getting access to the red keep, it doesn't really make sense, Ned was looking for a qualified teacher, he's also a very rich man with a wide network of contacts who could probably very easily vet Syrio's background, if someone was First Sword to the Sealord of Braavos chances are there's a whole bunch of people who could confirm it.Solice Kirsk posted:Jaqen was in Kings Landing to watch the tournament. He got into a bar fight and killed two guards. He was thrown into the black cells and shipped off to the wall. It's all in subtext in Ned chapter 8. Which is still a very nonsensical thing for a man with Jaqen's training and discipline to do, that is unless he has prescient knowledge of yoren's presence, which would almost certainly imply he was looking to recruit Arya in the first place. It's all rather fishy given that his main mission is apparently back in the citadel, etc etc.
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Devil's Advocate: Jaqen needs a homebase. There's no internet in Westeros. How do people learn the lay of the land? Envoys and ambassadors. Is Jaqen an ambassador? No. Is Syrio? Yes. Does being an envoy get you close to all the wisdom of the country you're getting info on? Yes. So why would Jaqen pose as Syrio? Because it's a flawless cover. There's literally no better cover. He's a flamboyant foreigner. Westerosi look at him as a curiosity and literally would never question him moving about the castle. Drunk people at dinner would regale him with funny stories about strange deaths of minor lords and other gossip. Posing as a foppish foreign dignitary literally allows him to become the NSA/CIA of the faceless men. An organization which probably values information like the kind you'd find floating around king's landing amongst the ruling class. You would have to be completely braindead to not realize WHY Jaqen would pose as Syrio IF Jaqen posed as Syrio.
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It's dumb and silly if everyone is a Secret X, though Jon having magic dragon anime blood is Enough But maybe GRRM is subverting the trope of characters being the person described in the text, that IS a big trope
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Jaqen being Syrio would be "Arys Oakheart is loving Arianne Martell" levels of 'why should I care about any of this?' I'm not saying it is ideal, or even a good idea. But the way it is set up, it wouldn't surprise me. Arya's teacher, her only friend, dies offscreen defending her - and right afterwards she meets another person ( the only other bravosi we know ) who also acts as a guardian / teacher. We know that some bravosi are also able to change faces. It isn't a crazy theory. Sure it doesn't make a lot of sense that Syrio would be a faceless man... now that we know a lot more about the faceless men. But Jaquen also acts outside of what makes sense for a faceless man. GRRM isn't Sanderson - he doesn't have a D&D rule book that he uses to write this poo poo. So he will often have a character do something that makes the scene good, or the character interesting - even if it isn't internally consistent. syscall girl posted:a man does not handle his mead well lel'd
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The most interesting thing about Syrio Forel was invented by the show. He also lost to Meryn "loving too old" Trant.
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Euron's also a possible faceless man, what with that passage about Balon on a bridge being killed by a faceless man and the whole "also being Daario" thing.
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X-posting from the Spoilers thread; I thought you nerds would find it interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgUIPvAlLI
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This guy is crazy as hell but fun to listen to. Can't fault his logic on this one if George basically wrote the same story twelve times already.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Is Jaqen an ambassador? No. Is Syrio? Yes. Is he? Where did that get established? He's a former employee of the Bravosi Sealord but I don't remember anything from the books that would put him on the same level of diplomatic standing as, say, Jalabhar Xho. And I'd argue that not even Jalabhar Xho had complete freedom of the castle. As far as covers go Syrio is terrible, because he's too foreign and flamboyant to go unnoticed, and too unimportant to go anywhere he'd want to be. kcroy posted:I'm not saying it is ideal, or even a good idea. But the way it is set up, it wouldn't surprise me. Arya's teacher, her only friend, dies offscreen defending her - and right afterwards she meets another person ( the only other bravosi we know ) who also acts as a guardian / teacher. We know that some bravosi are also able to change faces. It isn't a crazy theory. Jaqen is kind of a terrible spy if he can't change his accent. The Faceless Men are known to impersonate completely different people from all sorts of countries, yet for some reason he picks an identity from the same country? I find that unlikely. Unless the argument is that he does it to win Arya's trust, which just overemphasizes his interest in Arya to a ridiculous degree.
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kcroy posted:I'm not saying it is ideal, or even a good idea. But the way it is set up, it wouldn't surprise me. Arya's teacher, her only friend, dies offscreen defending her - and right afterwards she meets another person ( the only other bravosi we know ) who also acts as a guardian / teacher. We know that some bravosi are also able to change faces. It isn't a crazy theory. Jaqen's from Lorath, unless you're talking about someone else entirely. The "a man", "a girl" poo poo is Lorathi, not Braavosi. Syrio sometimes talks in the third person but he names himself explicitly and uses first person, too, and none of the people in Arya's Braavos chapters talk that way, nor Tychos Nestoris. The whole explanation for Jaqen's speech pattern is in the worldbook so it's probably just GRRM making poo poo up ex-post-facto to look all Tolkien, but he explicitly introduces himself as being from Lorath.
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Yeah he's not some foreign ambassador nor do he and Jaqen share the same accent. Try harder scrubs. 
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Trivia posted:X-posting from the Spoilers thread; I thought you nerds would find it interesting. My problem with this dude is that he overanalyzes everything like a real historian or something like that. It's like he just cant grasp that this is fiction and in the end author's decision will stand above all else and override anything illogical or inconsistent in the narrative. Guarantee he thinks about this poo poo much more thoroughly than GRRM and there is his main mistake. This is maybe the first video where he actually seems to step out of the ASoIaF world and talk about it as a fiction being written rather than an actual reality where everything has to make perfect sense like he imagines real life does. Yeah on one hand he observes some interesting details that even people who have reread the existing books multiple times may not have thought of, but every time he points something out you almost have to asterisk it with "if GRRM remembers this" or "if GRRM even thought of that." These dudes in the books aren't alive, they dont really have to have any secret motives if they aren't written to have any. Every action of every background character doesn't have to make perfect sense in the grand scheme of things, especially if a character is there as a deus ex or plot exposition dispenser. He's giving GRRM too much credit on most of his observations. Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbxMsADhNZo t:5:17 preston jacobs paraphrased posted:in this scene jon gives arya a needle, a scene that is now insanely creepy as it is now known that GRRM wanted there to be a romance between jon and arya t:7:30 oh my god! "Hey see this scene of drogo raping dany? Well it wasn't like that in the book, Drogo is only supposed to have a mustache. Moving on..." Holy gently caress. He nit picks the absolute wrong thing. It wasn't a rape in the book but he blows right over that to talk about mustaches and dreams. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Krinkle posted:Haha what? Is this a real thing or more moon controls our dreams nonsense he pulled out of his rear end? I think it was in a really early draft of the series, like 1994 or so.
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If he hears two different stories like whether sweetrobin was going to be fostered at casterly rock or dragonstone, that isn't an indication that someone was lying, they both are true and tywin knew in advance that stannis was going to call his grandkids incest babies and it was a fight for who controls the heir to the eyrie to keep the veil in line for the war to come. Goddamn. Ahahaha Donald Noye ate his arm and was sent to the wall for his crime. Goddamn. I just reread the part of the first book where it said he caught an axe to the arm. Jon laid out his whole life story as an example of someone who lived a life, and then came to the wall. He isn't as well researched as I thought. Goddamn. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Krinkle posted:Haha what? Is this a real thing or more moon controls our dreams nonsense he pulled out of his rear end? It's from GRRM's original summary of the "trilogy" that he gave his publisher while writing the first book. Pretty much nothing he wrote back then ended up in the finished books. Most of it sounds awful. Jaime becomes king by killing everybody in the line of succession before him and somehow blaming Tyrion. You can read it here, here, and here. I imagine that the notes he gave D&D for the end of the series are similarly well thought out.
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I read early drafts of star wars where anakin is an old man and he smashes his robot arm on the desk to make a point and I don't think I ever want to read early drafts of things I enjoy again. Thank you for the links to your post but I decline.
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Nate405 posted:It's from GRRM's original summary of the "trilogy" that he gave his publisher while writing the first book. Pretty much nothing he wrote back then ended up in the finished books. Most of it sounds awful. Jaime becomes king by killing everybody in the line of succession before him and somehow blaming Tyrion. You can read it here, here, and here. The grumpkin in the woodpile: "I find that once I know exactly where a story is going, I lose all interest in writing it."
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Krinkle posted:If he hears two different stories like whether sweetrobin was going to be fostered at casterly rock or dragonstone, that isn't an indication that someone was lying, they both are true and tywin knew in advance that stannis was going to call his grandkids incest babies and it was a fight for who controls the heir to the eyrie to keep the veil in line for the war to come. Goddamn. It's not even that, it's probably simpler. Tywin was constantly in denial about his children being incestous fuckers, his mind was pretty much tuned to ignore all the evidence so I doubt Stannis' declaration was really something he anticipated, in fact we know that he did accept being a foster to Robin so I wouldn't think he really cared about that whole thing. On the other hand, Littlefinger probably knew that if Robin is fostered at Casterly Rock his mother would be very reluctant to cooperate with any plot that could possibly endanger her sons life, he was already planning to get rid of Jon Arryn and Lysa was obviously part of that plot, getting her to gently caress off from the capital and take her useless son with her was probably all Littlefinger's idea.
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Preston just said yeah aryn's last words were "the seed is strong" and you think it's about sweetrobin but then you think it's about robert and how all his kids' hair is black, but what if... it's a double fake out and it IS about sweetrobin who has later been proven to have magical powers. I love this guy. Epilepsy as a magic power. What the gently caress could he possibly be referring to? No citation, taken as read, off to the races. I can't breathe! A coincidental meeting between tyrion and catelyn at an inn? Nope! Can't happen. Yoren controls how fast the horses go it was 100% his design that they met bronn here, as they are both Varys's creatures, but since catelyn only went inside to get in from the rain he posits that someone magically controls the weather to force these events. Jesus jumping christ. This man is the david dees of watching game of thrones. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Krinkle posted:Preston just said yeah aryn's last words were "the seed is strong" and you think it's about sweetrobin but then you think it's about robert and how all his kids' hair is black, but what if... it's a double fake out and it IS about sweetrobin who has later been proven to have magical powers. I love this guy. Epilepsy as a magic power. What the gently caress could he possibly be referring to? No citation, taken as read, off to the races. Youre watching all the tamer videos, you need to go deep down the rabbit hole in the multi part non-show related series. The Martell one, the Dragonless, Northern and 1000 part Iron Born. Highlight revelations include: Gerion Lannister is the corsair king/shrouded lord or whatever, Quentyn isn't dead and successfully stole the dragon, Daario isn't Euron BUT Euron is actually a warlock wearing his disguise AND works for the others/night's king, Rickon is the Stark the northmen are talking about and killed Jon so he wouldn't get in the way, Maesters are behind it all, but disappointingly nothing on Howland Reed. Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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