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Terrible Opinions posted:Europe has really weird race problems, as bad or worse than America, just with slightly different targets. It's sort of like how we forget in America that Slavs aren't just "white". Why do people say this in regards to racism outside the US, "it's as bad, or worse"? Possibly "as bad"? WHAT!? Racism outside the US is another another quantum level compared to the US. I know people like to think the US is the pinnacle of hatred, but no, most of the rest of the world makes the US look like The Land of Eternal Peace Among All Races.
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Quick, time for a wiki article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Dgaku_no_Gaijin_Hanzai_Ura_File_%E2%80%93_Gaijin_Hanzai_Hakusho_2007 
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Why do people say this in regards to racism outside the US, "it's as bad, or worse"? Possibly "as bad"? WHAT!? Racism outside the US is another another quantum level compared to the US. Quantum means very small. ---- I met a really cool Romanian military dude when I was in Afghanistan. One day he was taking about how he didn't want to be doing the poo poo he was doing for the Romanian army. "I thought I would try out for special forces, to kill some Gypsies." He was a bit less cool after that.
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Nckdictator posted:Quick, time for a wiki article. I have a copy of this that I bought when I lived in Japan. It's scary to walk down the street and Galvatron is all there looking suspicious.
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Jun 19, 2015 02:50
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Wasabi the J posted:Quantum means very small. No, you read it wrong. I wrote it was on another Quantas level. European racism is an entirely different airline.
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Jun 19, 2015 02:52
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Here is a really cool article about how Google was working on an artificial intelligence that learns about objects by looking at various images and then using that knowledge to recreate a different image. The article itself isn't very creepy, but I do think that some of the images it creates are very unsettling. http://googleresearch.blogspot.nl/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-neural.html?m=1 Here's another picture that my friend sent me at around the same time he showed me the article. It doesn't look this particular picture is in the article's image gallery, but it's pretty obvious it was created through the same methods. 
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Jun 19, 2015 03:07
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Why do people say this in regards to racism outside the US, "it's as bad, or worse"? Possibly "as bad"? WHAT!? Racism outside the US is another another quantum level compared to the US. True, it feels more ingrained in Europe. Perhaps that's because of close borders, but it's more likely because there's just many more centuries of history to provide the cement for racial/cultural/national issues. It's funny being from the US and being seated with Europeans at various events. They truly act surprised when we joke and laugh with everyone at the table, regardless of origin. I went on a Nile cruise years ago, every table was seated by nationality. Except the Americans, Egyptians, and Iraqis were seated together because there weren't enough of us to make our own tables. Now, I don't have to state that Iraq and U.S. and Egypt have several reasons to have beef with each other (we were at war with Iraq at the time). Every other table was relatively silent at dinner, whereas ours was raucous with stories and photo-sharing and laughter. Not applying this to everyone, just sharing my own experience. I'm really glad that Gypsy Rose link was shared: I've been trying to follow that story for the last 36 hours by piecing together dozens of articles, threads, and FB posts... finding out it's being archived together in one article was quite useful. Thanks! Drunk Nerds has a new favorite as of 03:36 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Davinci posted:Here is a really cool article about how Google was working on an artificial intelligence that learns about objects by looking at various images and then using that knowledge to recreate a different image. Very interesting! The image that you posted is definitely the most unsettling one. It somewhat reminds me of the art of Louis Wain, which I believe has come up in this thread before, but is worth posting again ... basically he went from drawing popular Victorian lolcat art  to "ok, mate, your cats are starting to look a little ... weird ..."  to being an institutionalized creator of terrifying Elder God Cats  and drawings showing that the Universe is made up of fractal cats, man 
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Jun 19, 2015 03:53
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Both sides of my family have only been in the US a hundred years or so; Polish/Lithuanian on my mom's side, German/probably Jewish on my dad's. Neither set of grandparents were thrilled when my parents got married in the 80's, and my charming paternal grandmother delighted in telling Dumb Pollock jokes around my mom right up until her death in 2009. I highly doubt anyone, on either side, in the last couple generations has given a gently caress about their partners' identity, thankfully, but extended family dinners were always awkward when I was a kid. Outside of that, I think the biggest problems my cousins, brothers and I have had to contend with is no one ever being able to pronounce our last names right 
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Jun 19, 2015 03:55
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Drunk Nerds posted:True, it feels more ingrained in Europe. Perhaps that's because of close borders, but it's more likely because there's just many more centuries of history to provide the cement for racial/cultural/national issues. It's funny being from the US and being seated with Europeans at various events. They truly act surprised when we joke and laugh with everyone at the table, regardless of origin.
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Jun 19, 2015 03:57
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Chicken Butt posted:It somewhat reminds me of the art of Louis Wain, which
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InediblePenguin posted:is oversimplified. The fractal cats were part of artistic experimentation partly to try to create wallpaper patterns and he continued to ALSO create the typical cutesy-realism cat pictures throughout his career. There's not actually real evidence for putting them in the chronological order in which you always see them, it's just that some doctor was like "well he's schizophrenic and if I arrange them in this order it looks like his art got weirder as he got more schizophrenic, which fits with my preexisting worldview so I'm gonna assume I'm right" Interesting, thanks. Still, the "insane" drawings freak me out. It's also intriguing that he was was drawing fractals while Mandelbrot was still a child. Their striking similarity to psychedelic art, which didn't develop until well after his death, is also interesting.
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This talk of cats and fractals reminds me of this article, which describes a man who after being kicked in the head, received brain damage that makes him interpret the world as a series of fractal images, among other ailments. Here's another article on it, with some more pictures. It's a news site so it has an accompanying autoplaying video, so don't be surprised when the page starts talking after you've scrolled down a bit like what happened to me. Davinci has a new favorite as of 06:03 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Chicken Butt posted:Interesting, thanks. that's not a fractal, it's what mathematicians call a "colorful pattern"
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Jun 19, 2015 05:58
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Davinci posted:Here is a really cool article about how Google was working on an artificial intelligence that learns about objects by looking at various images and then using that knowledge to recreate a different image. This look like some horrific post-nuclear-apocalypse beagle-goat hybrid.
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Jun 19, 2015 12:24
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Rabbit Hill posted:This look like some horrific post-nuclear-apocalypse beagle-goat hybrid. Note the people cowering in the lower left. Judging by perspective, must he some hybrid.
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Jun 19, 2015 12:49
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Karma Monkey posted:I misread that as "Slaves" at first and was really confused. Thought maybe you were going for "edgy," especially with your user name, then I realized no, I just can't read. But yea, you're right. guess where the word came from!
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Jun 19, 2015 13:43
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Davinci posted:Here is a really cool article about how Google was working on an artificial intelligence that learns about objects by looking at various images and then using that knowledge to recreate a different image.  This computer is tripping balls.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:20
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Mr. Flunchy posted:
The discrepancy between the thumbnail and the full size image here is pretty crazy. Thumbnail: Knight on horseback waving to crowd and being led by squire Full size: Oh... oh god... 
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Jun 19, 2015 14:32
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In the thumbnail it looks like he has a cute little fox puppet on his hand. In the fullsize it looks like like a Bloodborne enemy. The sky and the cosmos are one.
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Jun 19, 2015 14:55
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This one is my favorite: All the buildings in that last image look to me like an architect got really high and started designing buildings out of frosting and candy.
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Jun 19, 2015 15:07
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Davinci posted:Here is a really cool article about how Google was working on an artificial intelligence that learns about objects by looking at various images and then using that knowledge to recreate a different image. A little creepy, but also kind of inspiring, charming, and humorous. I would totally buy some of those as poster prints, and I would love it if they made a home computer version of the software someday.
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Fyadophobic posted:A little creepy, but also kind of inspiring, charming, and humorous. I would totally buy some of those as poster prints, and I would love it if they made a home computer version of the software someday. It looks like one of the dogs from "The Thing".
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Jun 19, 2015 15:29
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Davinci posted:I didn't know gypsy was a slur. I just thought it was the regular name for that ethnic group. In Britain gypsy is more accepted than elsewhere. We even have 'big fat gypsy wedding' reality shows. Here, 'Pikey' is the main derogatory term for travellers.
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Jun 19, 2015 19:00
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One thing I can honestly say I never thought I'd do was 'share a cracked article in the scary/disturbing thread', but holy poo poo http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html I'm sure some or most of you have seen it already but it's about a lady who chose to go inside the bad parts of the dark web. Some of the quoted forum posts are beyond belief.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:In Britain gypsy is more accepted than elsewhere. We even have 'big fat gypsy wedding' reality shows. Also: quote:I'm sure some or most of you have seen it already but it's about a lady who chose to go inside the bad parts of the dark web. Some of the quoted forum posts are beyond belief. I once ran across a forum for "pedophiles against child abuse." These were men who were sexually attracted to children but committed not to acting on it. It was both sad and creepy - on the one hand, some of them were struggling pretty hard to do the right thing in the face of a terrible obsession. On the other, some of them reeeeally liked sharing (innocent) pics of kids and talking about how "hot" they were.
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pookel posted:I once ran across a forum for "pedophiles against child abuse." These were men who were sexually attracted to children but committed not to acting on it. It was both sad and creepy - on the one hand, some of them were struggling pretty hard to do the right thing in the face of a terrible obsession. On the other, some of them reeeeally liked sharing (innocent) pics of kids and talking about how "hot" they were. Read that related article about pedophilia, it pretty much describes how, because we've demonized the disease and urges alone, pedos can't even get real help because of the stigma. Seriously, it's hosed up and what they do could be monstrous (could, should they act upon their urges), but they literally cannot get help and are basically like TCC members trying to keep each other off the smack, while doing the latest synth chemical, while claiming that because the mechanism is different, it's not a relapse! And that's the best they are legally protected to do.
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Wasabi the J posted:Read that related article about pedophilia, it pretty much describes how, because we've demonized the disease and urges alone, pedos can't even get real help because of the stigma. MODS: Ban this pedophile apologist forthwith.
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Man I seriously hope that's a joke. I know an abused person and they have the most hellish life I could imagine. If we can do anything to actually prevent that I'm all for it.
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pookel posted:Irish Travellers and the Roma are two completely separate ethnic groups, aren't they? Yes, the wikipedia article about them is pretty interesting: Origins of Irish travellers: quote:In 2011 an analysis of DNA from 40 Travellers was undertaken at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who separated from the settled Irish community at least 1000 years ago; the claim was made that they are as distinct from the settled community as Icelanders are from Norwegians.[28] Even though all families claim ancient origins, not all families of Irish Travellers date back to the same point in time; some families adopted Traveller customs centuries ago, while others did so more recently.[29] It is unclear how many Irish Travellers would be included in this distinct ethnic group at least from a genetic perspective. Origins of Romani communities quote:The linguistic evidence has indisputably shown that roots of Romani language lie in India: the language has grammatical characteristics of Indian languages and shares with them a big part of the basic lexicon, for example, body parts or daily routines.[89] quote:Genetic findings in 2012 suggest the Romani originated in northwest India and migrated as a group.[83][84][95] According to a genetic study in 2012, the ancestors of present scheduled tribes and scheduled caste populations of northern India, traditionally referred to collectively as the Ḍoma, are the likely ancestral populations of modern European Roma.[96] In December 2012, additional findings appeared to confirm the "Roma came from a single group that left northwestern India about 1,500 years ago,"[84] They reached the Balkans about 900 years ago,[83] and then spread throughout Europe. The team found that, despite some isolation, the Roma were "genetically similar to other Europeans."[83][84] The Romani are of Eurasian stock. Many Romani people have South Asian and European admixture.[97] As a continental European, I can confirm that racism in Europe is alive and kicking, mostly because people don't seem to be aware of it. My stereotypical view of racism in America is a white person hating black people and being proud of it. In Europe people will almost never think of themselves as a racist, while at the same time agreeing that gypsies are basically garbage in human form.
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Drunk Nerds posted:True, it feels more ingrained in Europe. Perhaps that's because of close borders, but it's more likely because there's just many more centuries of history to provide the cement for racial/cultural/national issues. It's funny being from the US and being seated with Europeans at various events. They truly act surprised when we joke and laugh with everyone at the table, regardless of origin. we generally wait till the yanks have gone to bed (about 9.30, maybe 10pm on a weekend) before we start talking to each other
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kanonvandekempen posted:Yes, the wikipedia article about them is pretty interesting: While that kind of American racism exists, it's much more subtle than that. British racism is usually most well intentioned if bumbling charivaris caricatures of other cultures, sprinkled with a healthy dose of xenophobia. It's not good, but it's so removed from my American life that it doesn't bug me as much, when Top Gear makes jokes about Mexicans and Americans, as it dies when my coworkers say ignorant poo poo about my nation of birth, Mexico. Americans abhor the idea of racism, but don't recognize racist narratives and bias, like how news about primarily white rioting will be classified as, "protests" or "partiers out of control," but black riots are described in terms of "unrest" "thugs destroying businesses" etc. Other things include conflating culture with class without acknowledging a stratified society. Racists here genuinely don't generally know they're being racist, they think they're being fairly objective. Problem is they're usually coming from a position of privilege and don't understand that the poo poo they're saying is patronizing at best, and usually hurtful. "I'm just SAYING..."
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pookel posted:Irish Travellers and the Roma are two completely separate ethnic groups, aren't they? They are nothing alike, but unfortunately in the UK they're all considered pikey scum by the kind of people who share racist poo poo on Facebook.
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Vladimir Poutine posted:In a way, the place doesn't really deserve its reputation, since Bunting and Wagner were from Brisbane and Sydney respectively, and they committed most of the murders in the northern fringe of Adelaide. Snowtown was just where the bodies were. Incidentally, that Wiki article has been shortened pretty significantly since the last time I read it. If you really hate yourself, the court transcripts are here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/sa/SASC/2004/235.html The movie (Snowtown) is really harrowing but very well done. Australian cinema has perfected toxic masculinity. See also "The Boys" based on the Anita Cobby killers.
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kanonvandekempen posted:As a continental European, I can confirm that racism in Europe is alive and kicking, mostly because people don't seem to be aware of it. My stereotypical view of racism in America is a white person hating black people and being proud of it. In Europe people will almost never think of themselves as a racist, while at the same time agreeing that gypsies are basically garbage in human form. I dated a German for a while, and had to school him that it was NOT OK to say the N-word when speaking English, even if those rappers do it on MTV. *facepalm* That and other things that came out of his mouth did a lot to convince me that Europe isn't all that great on race, either. ETA: Apparently some things are still normal in Britain that sound jaw-droppingly racist to my American ears. In particular, "Red Indian" to distinguish Native Americans from people from India. I read that in a recently published history book! pookel has a new favorite as of 20:58 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Normal people in Britain say 'native American', honest. E: I should maybe point out the 'scare quotes' were intentional stickyfngrdboy has a new favorite as of 22:38 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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pookel posted:ETA: Apparently some things are still normal in Britain that sound jaw-droppingly racist to my American ears. In particular, "Red Indian" to distinguish Native Americans from people from India. I read that in a recently published history book! We nearly called one of our sports teams "The Redskins", imagine how crazy that would have been!
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pookel posted:Back on topic: I was poking around this historical photos site that was posted above (but now I've forgotten what for) and found this bit of history both heartbreaking and creepy. Note: charred, unrecognizable human remains in a photo at the top. Lots of graphic historical photos in side links. Possibly I know this is a few pages back, but I just want to say this whole site is great. I especially like the picture of the guy refusing to do a Nazi salute. He's literally doing this: 
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stickyfngrdboy posted:That article seems to be sourced almost entirely from Facebook. I reckon it might pay to wait a bit before making any judgements. The epistolary story is making a comeback.
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Rabbit Hill posted:This look like some horrific post-nuclear-apocalypse beagle-goat hybrid. There's definitely some shoggoth in there too.
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