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Huh, really early reference to Marwyn the maester when Mirri Maaz Duur is listing off her credentials. I missed that a few times apparently. I feel like Dany is never going to get to Asshai, though. I don't think those Dothraki are going to take her. What a dang pain. A mystery land of magic and shadows teased for five goddamn books and the show is going to skip over it and the books will never reach them.
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Shoehead posted:That fat oval office hasn't self inserted anything in fuckin years McDonalds disagrees.
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Jun 21, 2015 13:14
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jsoh posted:The last book will be published at 1700 pages abd chapter one will be like ten pages long and it's Davos I and it ends with him finding rickon and asking the wolf's name and saying "funny, he's not so shaggy really" and then the next 1690 pages are blank I'd be mad, then I'd laugh, then I'd cry, then I'd spend the rest of my life convincing everyone that while it's terrible it's the most honest book I've ever read.
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Jun 21, 2015 13:20
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Shoehead posted:That fat oval office hasn't self inserted anything in fuckin years If it pleases the court, I would like to submit Exhibits 1-1,000,000: Football snack trays.
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Jun 21, 2015 13:26
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Shoehead posted:That fat oval office hasn't self inserted anything in fuckin years But poo poo dick.
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Jun 21, 2015 15:36
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Krinkle posted:Huh, really early reference to Marwyn the maester when Mirri Maaz Duur is listing off her credentials. I missed that a few times apparently. I feel like Dany is never going to get to Asshai, though. I don't think those Dothraki are going to take her. What a dang pain. A mystery land of magic and shadows teased for five goddamn books and the show is going to skip over it and the books will never reach them. In ASOS, Qyburn says Marwin supported his research into necromancy. His name's also Merlin so I guess he's got to do something.
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Jun 21, 2015 16:23
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Krinkle posted:I feel like Dany is never going to get to Asshai, though. Probably not because she was never going there. Quaithe just says "leave Qarth it's dangerous" and lets Dany make up the reason why.
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Jun 21, 2015 20:21
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Asshai would be cool to visit but I wouldn't mind if they never do. One of my favorite things about the Lord of the Rings is all these fantastic places you hear about but don't directly see. Sometimes leaving all that crazy poo poo to the imagination is better.
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Jun 21, 2015 21:21
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Ginette Reno posted:The ending of ASoIaF would be cool to read but I wouldn't mind if we never do. One of my favorite things about the Lord of the Rings is all these fantastic places you hear about but don't directly see. Sometimes leaving all that crazy poo poo to the imagination is better.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:14
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Ginette Reno posted:Asshai would be cool to visit but I wouldn't mind if they never do. One of my favorite things about the Lord of the Rings is all these fantastic places you hear about but don't directly see. Sometimes leaving all that crazy poo poo to the imagination is better. I think that's been GRRM's downfall; he's looking to go through every place he's ever mentioned, and put in all the detail of every location within the book series. That's why it's now a sprawling mess; it's not just the characters but all the scenery he wants to cover in his magnum opus.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:15
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Agreed Plucky Brit posted:I think that's been GRRM's downfall; he's looking to go through every place he's ever mentioned, and put in all the detail of every location within the book series. That's why it's now a sprawling mess; it's not just the characters but all the scenery he wants to cover in his magnum opus. Perhaps one day the American Tolkien will figure it all out
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Jun 21, 2015 22:17
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Ginette Reno posted:Agreed Perhaps he'll develop an obsession with creating a whole new set of languages He could pad the back of ADoS with 300 pages of it
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Jun 21, 2015 22:23
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Plucky Brit posted:I think that's been GRRM's downfall; he's looking to go through every place he's ever mentioned, and put in all the detail of every location within the book series. That's why it's now a sprawling mess; it's not just the characters but all the scenery he wants to cover in his magnum opus. The only new (since the end of Book 3) place that GRRM has spent more than like a day in has been Braavos and Dorne, neither of which showed up for more than 2-3 chapters in ADWD.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:25
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computer parts posted:The only new (since the end of Book 3) place that GRRM has spent more than like a day in has been Braavos and Dorne, neither of which showed up for more than 2-3 chapters in ADWD. Well, there's Tyrion's travelogue.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:29
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You don't spend 5 books alluding to a mysterious shadow land full of dark, forbidden magics the likes of which rival or seem to dwarf the power we see in the West unless you plan on doing something with it. Otherwise that would make Asshai a tepid "mysterious and inscrutable Orient" cliche... ...yeah we ain't never going to Asshai.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:31
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Elman posted:Well, there's Tyrion's travelogue. That's why I said "more than a day". mind the walrus posted:You don't spend 5 books alluding to a mysterious shadow land full of dark, forbidden magics the likes of which rival or seem to dwarf the power we see in the West unless you plan on doing something with it. He didn't allude to it that much. He introduced two characters from there in Book 2, one of which said "hey get the gently caress out of Dodge" and the other became one of the major non-POV characters. It was then not brought up again until you get to Dany's internal monologues in Book 5.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:35
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People expect Asshai to be visited because of Quaithe's prophecy basicallyquote:“To go north, you must journey south. To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.” And the faith of R'hllor seems to have originated in Asshai as the Azor Ahai myth is the Asshai version of the globe spanning Prince-that-was-promised/Last Hero/Hyrkoon myth. I personally don't think it will actually be visited in the story cause prophecies never play out straight in the martin verse, so when Quaithe says "go to Asshai" you have to assume it will wind up coming true in some allegorical sense. But who knows, maybe Dany will just fly there in a day and a half and find a magic sword or something.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:45
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It's the source of most of the dark magic we see in Book 1, including Dany's Dragon Eggs and Drogo's cataonia. It is heavily implied to be one of the places Qarth get their parlor tricks and Qaithe all but begs Dany to go to Asshai to get more answers about her dragons instead of making GBS threads around in Slave Cities. There are numerous allusions in nearly every book to "shadow-binders" other than Mel, one of the few magic-as-gently caress things most people seem to be aware of that isn't long-forgotten-recently-arrived bullshit like the Red God, White Walkers, or Dragons; or The Faceless Men. To not show it by this point and how it ties into Valyria, the Green Men, and Old Magic as a whole would reduce it to little more than a plot device the same way "dark magics from India/China" used to be used in pop art at the height of the British Empire and no, I don't think that 100+ years on reusing those tropes as an "homage" is worthwhile.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:50
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Well what's the point of making a fictional world if you can't even have your main character go on a sight-seeing world tour through the books? Like in a rpg.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:50
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:Well what's the point of making a fictional world if you can't even have your main character go on a sight-seeing world tour through the books? Like in a rpg. You'll notice I'm also clamoring to follow the adventures of Aegon and Darkstar exploring that weird South American continent we know gently caress-all about.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:53
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Brans coma dream chapter in AGOT implies strongly that there are tons of dragons waking up in Asshai, probably concurrent to the white walkers and the 'great other' preparing for war. It's a pretty good passage: quote:He lifted his eyes and saw clear across the narrow sea, to the Free Cities and the green Dothraki sea and beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise. Bran sure knows his geography.
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Did the South African Tolkien ever invent a place name as great as Asshay?
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Hogge Wild posted:Did the South African Tolkien ever invent a place name as great as Asshay? No, but Celeborn's Quenya (the fancier form of Elvish) name was Teleporno.
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bartlebyshop posted:No, but Celeborn's Quenya (the fancier form of Elvish) name was Teleporno. It's quite fitting because SA Tolkien was a signals officer.
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Ginette Reno posted:Asshai would be cool to visit but I wouldn't mind if they never do. One of my favorite things about the Lord of the Rings is all these fantastic places you hear about but don't directly see. Sometimes leaving all that crazy poo poo to the imagination is better. yeah, I never needed to see what drove anakin to the dark side. My imagination was doing just fine with that before episode III came along. mind the walrus posted:To not show it by this point and how it ties into Valyria, the Green Men, and Old Magic as a whole would reduce it to little more than a plot device the same way "dark magics from India/China" used to be used in pop art at the height of the British Empire and no, I don't think that 100+ years on reusing those tropes as an "homage" is worthwhile. I can see why you feel that way, but I've never thought about it that much. I've never been like "Man, I can't WAIT to see Asshai". I'm fine with magic things coming from magic places, and not getting into it too deeply.
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Asshair by the sea
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Everyone expects dany to be the saviour of westeros, but it would be funny if she was being set up to found a new valaryia and her dragons had nothing to do with the stopping the others.
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Aurain posted:McDonalds disagrees. A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If it pleases the court, I would like to submit Exhibits 1-1,000,000: Football snack trays. I somehow forgot he eats. I have no idea HOW
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Just read somethingarya 2, storm of swords posted:"A man does not choose his companions in the black cells," the handsome one with the red-and-white hair said. Something about the way he talked reminded her of Syrio; it was the same, yet different too. If they turn out to be the same person that seems to be all the foreshadowing required, the lessons that Syrio left her with included seeing with her eyes what was there. If not then it's just a really boring way for her to say that she met two foreigners in her lifetime. e: When Varys leaves Tyrion with his riddle of the king, the septon, and the wealthy man all telling the sellsword to kill the other two, what is this parable supposed to jog Tyrion into thinking about? Is it about the immediate beheading of Ned? The Stepton said don't defane this holy place, the wealthy woman Cersei said send him to the wall, and joff the king said chop his head off and Janos and Illyn Payne instantly obeyed. Was he asking Tyrion to look more deeply into those two and what happened? Or was it referring to twelve books later when the golden company, literal sellswords, abandoning the rich man the septon and the king to put their own on the throne? I don't think it should be but when you say "here's something to think about" it should probably be very specifically about something and I am not sure I see the immediate utility of the riddle. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Krinkle posted:If they turn out to be the same person that seems to be all the foreshadowing required, the lessons that Syrio left her with included seeing with her eyes what was there. If not then it's just a really boring way for her to say that she met two foreigners in her lifetime. Yeah it's a possible clue, but it could also possibly simply foreshadow Jaqen's link to Braavos, or it might simply be Arya's lack of familiarity with various accents/cultures from Essos hence "it was the same, yet different too.". I guess we'll find out soon cause twow is coming out in march 2016.
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Where does the dragon under Winterfel thing come from? If R+L=J is a thing, maybe Rhagar or something of his is buried in the crypts under Winterfel, giving some proof of Jon's parentage?
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KKKLIP ART posted:Where does the dragon under Winterfel thing come from? If R+L=J is a thing, maybe Rhagar or something of his is buried in the crypts under Winterfel, giving some proof of Jon's parentage? quote:Yet as one smell drew them onward, others warned them back. He sniffed at the drifting smoke. Men, many men, many horses, and fire, fire, fire. No smell was more dangerous, not even the hard cold smell of iron, the stuff of man-claws and hardskin. The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone. Behind the cliffs tall fires were eating up the stars. It's a dream Summer has while Bran is warged into him, it seems prophetic in nature but I don't see why people are convinced it's from winterfell, even if it is it seems to describe a battle going on in around the castle where a dragon is involved, I don't see any reason to think it implies a dragon lives under winterfell or something like that.
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Grendels Dad posted:The stupidity of the Darkstar character is somewhat diminished if you keep the unreliable narrators involved in mind. I guess Doran's statements about Darkstar are as close to real GRRM-confirmation that this guy is dangerous, but everything we learn about him in Arianne's chapters is to be taken with a grain of salt because Arianne is a dummy. It's like thinking Aurane Waters is the most beautiful man in Westeros because drunken stupid Cersei moons over him for three sentences. I've pointed this out before but the big joke about Darkstar is that he wasn't granted the "Sword of the Morning" title so he became "of the night". He is basically a petulant little wad. His own family judged him unworthy, so there is no way we are supposed to think he is actually this super badass; he is just badass enough to leave his family's title of "super badass" vacant and react really embarrassingly about it.
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Hasn't GRRM specifically stated that Quarth is the furthest east we're ever going to see?
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FreudianSlippers posted:Hasn't GRRM specifically stated that Quarth is the furthest east we're ever going to see? he also stated he would release another book
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Asshai is south though? I just looked at a map. It stops and a huge arrow says "asshai somewhere even further east, who cares". I guess if he ain't never drawn it in a fantasy map it can't be a destination even though quaithe made it sound pretty goddamn important.
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http://www.pb.utfpr.edu.br/ribas/aed1/2012-2/trabalho3/banco-de-exemplos/2013-04-26.jpg Here's a link since I'm having trouble uploading. Asshai is in the bottom right corner.
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haha what the hell is all that, did that come with a world of ice and fire? Carcosa from true detective is there I guess, also glad to know there is a southeasteros in addition to southeros.
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ULTHOS is pretty dark. I guess that's why they call it Asshai by the shadow. Haha bonetown 
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