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blablablabla posted:Well That was an (apparently poor) effort at jibing people who think True Detective could have magical poo poo going on because they can't parse simple narrative devices. Think the text-equivalent of doing a redneck voice. When I make an actual error it will be using the wrong homophone, which is something that I habitually gently caress up.
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I'm about to give the season two premiere another viewing. I gotta say, that BI article that was posted earlier was pretty dead-on with its observations and such. The pacing of the storytelling and the amount of attention that has to be given to really appreciate it is a little demanding of some viewers. Personally, it's right up my alley, but I "get" it. Anyway, one reason why I wanted to give the episode a re-watch (aside from, you know, just wanting to see it again) is because of how almost impressively polarizing this whole series has been in nearly every aspect. There's a lot of people who love it or hate it and stick to their biases in those regards, and honestly, that's totally fine in a general sense, but it can easily start to grind on one's nerves after a while. It's the sort of show you've really got to slowly absorb/sink into when watching it, and be patient for the narrative to unfold. Of course, you have a lot of people in the American audiences that want/expect something more instantly gratifying. For example (not a comparison of the two shows on any real level, so please don't mistake me for trying to compare the two, as their tones are totally disparate), Breaking Bad also had a pace that allowed each season to build to a sort of crescendo in the last few episodes, but each individual episode can be marked by at least one really significant, somewhat large event. It could be a death, or a big revelation, a shoot-out, character introduction--you know, stuff like that. In that regard, The Wire is also pretty similar, but somewhat more so. I still don't think it's fair to compare the two, but there's just more similarities in several aspects (subject matter, penchant for diagetic music, (to an extent) the pacing, a sort of comparable tone, the fact that major events often take place off-screen and are simply referred to, or are revealed in very subtle ways, so forth). Regardless, however, I still feel like it'd be a disservice to straight-up compare any of these shows in any real sense, since none of them share the same, uh... spirit(?). Hopefully that makes sense and doesn't just come off as me making comparisons and then denouncing the urge to compare them. I think one reason why season two is catching some flak from people that liked the first season is because of the lack of dynamic between your lead characters in the fist episode. I mean, in comparison to the first season, at least. Granted, this may last far beyond the first episode, but having not seen anything else yet, I can't say for sure. Still in season one, in the first few minutes of the premiere, we are introduced to both of our lead characters, and are shown how the two interact with one another. It gives us a refreshing take on the buddy cop genre, and both actors wield a great deal of individual charisma, as well as share a strongly noticeable chemistry on screen. In the first episode of this season, however, none of our leads even meet until the final minute or so before the credits. I don't think this actually detracts from season two, personally, but I can totally see how people who may have been expecting a similar dynamic would be disappointed. Maybe we'll see more of these folks working together on the case, but I really get the feeling that this season is going to be more of a study of these three cops/detectives and one ex-thug-turn-casino-owner as individuals (aside from the Vaughn/Farrell thing) and less as a team. As I've said about all other aspects of the show we're not familiar with yet--we'll see. After I give the episode its second viewing, I may have something more insightful or relevant to add to the conversation regarding the episode itself, but frankly I think it's been covered pretty well in the last few pages of discussion. PS: One last thing I can't get off my mind (and this is more of a humorous observation/facetious complaint and not actual nitpicking) is Kitsch's character and the show's title. He's a member of the CHP's motorcycle fleet, right? That's most certainly not a detective!
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The North Tower posted:Yes, and it was glorious. Some other highlights that I can remember: When talking about stupid poo poo speculated/theorized by Goons during season 1's run, let's never forget the utter clusterfuck of idiocy that was "tie theory." (sorry for the double-post, but since it's an entirely different train of thought it didn't seem right to tack it onto the last post)
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Why would it be ill thought out? Sorry man I thought you meant the blonde girl in the car.
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Zombie Raptor posted:When talking about stupid poo poo speculated/theorized by Goons during season 1's run, let's never forget the utter clusterfuck of idiocy that was "tie theory." I forgot about that! Wasn't it something like the color of Marty's ties or lack of a tie correlates to when something bad happens?
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centaurtainment posted:It shocks me that people don't understand that all the occult stuff from season 1 (The Yellow King, Carcosa, Coale's antinatalism) was just there to set the dark tone. That season was great because of the middle two episodes where the two detectives go off the rails and then lie about it in the deposition. And then there was the "You know Carcosa?" scene. The rest was simply a well-directed and well-acted police procedural. Nah, on top of being a well-directed and well-acted police procedural, it was straight-up cosmic horror. The characters confronted unthinkable acts and struggled with the possibility that life's just a meaningless cycle of atrocity which you can only endure by checking out or joining in. True Detective wasn't Lovecraftian - old school Lovecraft was about the revelation of vast, alien designs which rendered humanity insignificant, and you're right that it was ridiculous to expect literal Cthulhu or any overt supernatural action. But a lot of modern cosmic horror is about pulling back the curtain and finding nothing. The themes of cosmic escape, human decay, and the weirdness immanent in the cinematography and sound design made TD a good example of how to do 'uncanny' without stumbling into nerd poo poo. I really recommend Teatro Grottesco.
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Someone said that the general tone of True Detective can best be described as "pre-apocalyptic" which I think is right on the mark. Everything feels like it's on the verge of a horrible catastrophe just waiting to happen, and people are slowly losing grip with reality.
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Zombie Raptor posted:When talking about stupid poo poo speculated/theorized by Goons during season 1's run, let's never forget the utter clusterfuck of idiocy that was "tie theory." I thought the tie theory was some high level troll jabbing at all the other crazy goon theories. At least that is how I choose to look at it. But costume designers do put a lot of thought into an actor's outfit, so reading into that sort of thing isn't without precedence. Edit: For bad spelling Kill Dozed fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Kill Dozed posted:I thought the tie theory was some high level toll jabbing at all the other crazy goon theories. At least, that is how I choose to look at it. But costume designers do put a lot of thought into an actor's outfit, so reading into that sort of thing isn't without precedence. Yea, it was pretty tongue in cheek from what I remember, with lots of MS Paint circling of ties.
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General Battuta posted:Nah, on top of being a well-directed and well-acted police procedural, it was straight-up cosmic horror. The characters confronted unthinkable acts and struggled with the possibility that life's just a meaningless cycle of atrocity which you can only endure by checking out or joining in. True Detective wasn't Lovecraftian - old school Lovecraft was about the revelation of vast, alien designs which rendered humanity insignificant, and you're right that it was ridiculous to expect literal Cthulhu or any overt supernatural action. So you're saying that cosmic horror no longer has to include tentacles, non-Euclidean geometry, and the Necronimicon? Why call it "cosmic" horror then, as opposed to simply a particular brand of nihilist horror? It seems to me (and basically every definition I can find online, including the excellent TVTropes page on Cosmic Horror, backs this up) that the genre is more or less defined by the inclusion of "nerd poo poo." At most season 1 used cosmic horror tropes/names as red herrings, but once the villain is revealed as someone who can be defeated by being shot in the head you're kinda out of that world IMO. Look, arguing about genres is inherently pointless since they are, by definition, generalizations. I just think that your position, while nuanced enough that I can understand it, encourages others to interpret TD entirely incorrectly, because when you call something cosmic horror every other person in the world expects someone to be at least worshipping Cthulu. When the reality is that it's just some crazy redneck in the woods whose family has political connections that keep him from being caught, we're dealing less with Elder Gods and more with your basic police procedural stuff about cops having to go outside of the system to deliver real justice.
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It's horror about the secret logic of reality, once you pull away the comforting illusions. For Lovecraft it's ancient aliens and tentacle gods. For Ligotti it's https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6k But I agree, genre arguments are silly! I just want to push back against the idea that the eerie uncanny stuff was flavor in Season 1. I think the sound design, music choices, and Fukunaga's direction all aimed to build a sense of something looming and wrong beneath the mask of ordinary reality.
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Of course TVTropes thinks cosmic horror is about nerd poo poo. At the end of True Detective we're left with genuine ambiguity about whether Carcosa is real and the human bad guy was actually enacting some rite of degradation and transcendence. Or, more accurately, the show says 'it doesn't matter, what matters is what our characters think about it.'
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General Battuta posted:For Lovecraft it's ancient aliens and tentacle gods. For Ligotti it's https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6k Well that was disturbing
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General Battuta posted:At the end of True Detective we're left with genuine ambiguity about whether Carcosa is real and the human bad guy was actually enacting some rite of degradation and transcendence. Or, more accurately, the show says 'it doesn't matter, what matters is what our characters think about it.' I would agree if the show hadn't included scenes with Childress in his house goosing his mentally challenged half-sister and going out to his torture shed where he keeps his uncle tied up. Those scenes pretty much dismissed all other possibilities and made it clear that he was a psychotic killer much like real-life serial killers; sure, his murders had occult undertones, and he may have been basing them on real "rites of degradation and transcendence" from the past (eg, those old pictures he was basing his murder scenes on), but by the time Rust and Coale were investigating him he was definitely your run-of-the-mill backwoods psycho-sexual sadist. General Battuta posted:I just want to push back against the idea that the eerie uncanny stuff was flavor in Season 1. I think the sound design, music choices, and Fukunaga's direction all aimed to build a sense of something looming and wrong beneath the mask of ordinary reality. I love the atmosphere of that season, and agree that they "aimed to build a sense of something looming and wrong beneath the mask of ordinary reality," but the villain reveal undercut those things. Episode 10 has a very different tone than the first nine because they take that previously-nebulous energy and place it on a physical person, which necessarily undercuts a lot of the work they did leading up to that.
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I guess I don't see it as clean-cut. They gave the villain all that dialog about the ring, the loop, and the infernal plane, which reads to me as them trying to have cake (he is a crazy man with a crazy belief system) and eat it (he knows secret horrible truth!) They rendered up Cole's last hallucination, and (very meta) used it as a distraction so the lawnmower man could stab him. The show closes on a discussion of the balance between cosmic forces in the universe. I think they were trying to sustain that uncanny ambiguity through the end, though I can see how it didn't work for some people.
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Hakkesshu posted:Someone said that the general tone of True Detective can best be described as "pre-apocalyptic" which I think is right on the mark. Everything feels like it's on the verge of a horrible catastrophe just waiting to happen, and people are slowly losing grip with reality. Like Ani's hippie dad said... "and this is how we must live....in this final age of man" So I looked up the Greeks Five Ages since her dad is all about the greeks. The Iron Age is the final age in the Five Ages, and in this Age, at least towards the end of it, Zeus wipes out mankind. So you are not far off with that description of pre-apocalyptic.
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"Eat their cake and have it too" is the perfect summary for season 1's treatment of the villain. He exists as a nebulous force representing a whole swath of evils for the first 9 episodes and then at the end he is a physical person who can be defeated so the season can have a tidy conclusion. Rust's hallucination in Carcosa seemed super convenient to me, honestly, but maybe that's because I look at most TV/movies through a very formal lens as opposed to a metaphoric one. IMO it was a semi-lazy way to add tension to the big fight scene. The first season was at its best when contrasting the exact type of nebulous, behind the curtains evil that you are talking about with the very human evil that happens everyday and using that contrast to show how morality is somewhat relative (the whole arc with the bikers that concludes with the long-take shootout and the scene where Rust and Coale kill the meth cook while telling a different version to the detectives being the best examples); it got a little sloppy when it was forced to combine the two, but don't get me wrong, I still love it.
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The important part is that the killer believes the religion is true, because a central idea in the show is the power of belief, religion, and philosophy. Even Rust is touched by his encounter with it, and starts incorporating elements from it in his personal philosophy. Whether the religion is scientifically true is irrelevant. Daredevil is still, in part, a story about Catholicism even though no angels appear and wave a banner saying "By The Way The Pope Is Right". The show is, in part, about a brush with the supernatural, it's just not super literal about it. It's about the supernatural that exists in our brains, the mystic, fundamentally irrational way we experience the world. The show goes to great pains to present the possibility that the cult's religion is true and never entirely rule it out, because that's the reality of living in this world. People see ghosts, people have religious experiences, people are filled with ecstatic religious mania and become capable of doing incredible things. I don't like it when people make fun of people attached to the idea that the show's religion was true, because in my experience, a lot of them take the less defensible position that the show's religion is obviously empty and devoid of meaning, a mere "red herring". At least the Cthulu guys have an explanation for Rust Cohle hallucinating a black portal into space, the "it was just a detective story, nothing more" guys just pretend it never happened and it was just an accident that the director budgeted money for a CGI whirling hellmouth in the climax of the final episode. The Cthulu guys are just taking the events of the story and contextualizing it in a way they feel comfortable with, which is sci-fi/fantasy/horror, and the fact that you can do that successfully says a lot. centaurtainment posted:"Eat their cake and have it too" is the perfect summary for season 1's treatment of the villain. He exists as a nebulous force representing a whole swath of evils for the first 9 episodes and then at the end he is a physical person who can be defeated so the season can have a tidy conclusion. Jesus Christ was both fully man and fully God. You need to read your bible, fella. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Periodiko posted:At least the Cthulu guys have an explanation for Rust Cohle hallucinating a black portal into space The reason is that he spent three years undercover doing drugs that fried his brain. That's why he hallucinates the trails while driving and sees the birds in episodes two or three. The hallucinations have larger thematic meanings, but just because you're on mushrooms and perceive that the world goes around for more than 360 degrees doesn't make it the truth. EDIT: Wait, so is the other explanation of the black hole that Cthulu did it to distract him?
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Rust Cohle is a fictional character in True Detective, Season 1. He actually didn't write the episode, or direct it, fyi.
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Periodiko posted:Rust Cohle is a fictional character in True Detective, Season 1. He actually didn't write the episode, or direct it, fyi. David Lynch characters literally change bodies and minds in his movies, and until now I totally thought that was how actual life worked and have been really happy every morning I didn't wake up as some random punk in the Valley, but I guess I don't have to worry about that. Phew.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I forgot about that! Wasn't it something like the color of Marty's ties or lack of a tie correlates to when something bad happens? https://imgur.com/gallery/c3j0I2H
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centaurtainment posted:"Eat their cake and have it too" is the perfect summary for season 1's treatment of the villain. He exists as a nebulous force representing a whole swath of evils for the first 9 episodes and then at the end he is a physical person who can be defeated so the season can have a tidy conclusion. But there were only 8 episodes? I know it's a running joke that goons in TVIV don't pay attention but this would be an all new low
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BrownThunder posted:But there were only 8 episodes? I know it's a running joke that goons in TVIV don't pay attention but this would be an all new low Haha wow good point, my mind is in Game of Thrones land. Should have said first 7 episodes.
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Hakkesshu posted:Someone said that the general tone of True Detective can best be described as "pre-apocalyptic" which I think is right on the mark. Everything feels like it's on the verge of a horrible catastrophe just waiting to happen, and people are slowly losing grip with reality. That seems to be a thing with Nic Pizzolatto. His novel Galveston's final chapters are set in the title city right as the big hurricane hits, and the whole book feels like it's leading up to this final moment of Cleansing Destruction.
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centaurtainment posted:The reason is that he spent three years undercover doing drugs that fried his brain. That's why he hallucinates the trails while driving and sees the birds in episodes two or three. The hallucinations have larger thematic meanings, but just because you're on mushrooms and perceive that the world goes around for more than 360 degrees doesn't make it the truth. That one line they gave to make things ambiguous. I think that Cole starts to see behind the curtain and at the very end sees what Childress sees, which is something that is similar to what Lovecraftian Eldar Gods look like. It would have been great if Rust's hair was completely white afterwards (Stephen King Lovecraft style) or he'd gone completely insane/ catatonic (Lovecraft style), the internet would have raged even harder. Personally I like to think of Season 1 as a perfect Southern Gothic/ Cosmic Horror mash up, but I acknowledge that it's supposed to be ambiguous.
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The commune/institute where McAdams met her father is the same one [apparently spoiler} ended up at at the end of [apparently spoiler] right?
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victorious posted:The commune/institute where McAdams met her father is the same one Don Draper ended up at at the end of Mad Men right? Same general idea.
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Professor Shark posted:It would have been great if Rust's hair was completely white afterwards (Stephen King Lovecraft style) or he'd gone completely insane/ catatonic (Lovecraft style), the internet would have raged even harder. The thing is, he does undergo a physical and psychological transformation, it's just that Pizzolatto isn't a cosmic horror author, so his change is ultimately positive. He doesn't pierce the veil and find a vast indifferent nothing, but actually finds something. He does undergo a shocking physical transformation: he becomes Jesus Christ.  I contemplate the moment in the garden, the idea of allowing your own crucifixion. 
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I think I enjoyed that first episode a lot more than other people. I really like how it didn't jump right into the main plot. It closed with a dead body and cops standing over it, which is the exact opposite of CBS' lovely crime procedurals which open like that. We saw a lot of scenes that we don't know the relevance and importance of. The music and aerial cinematography really gave a sense of an impending mystery, that something important was just about to happen. Pizzolatto had to solve a big story starting problem, which was how to get these three very different cops from three agencies, who are strangers to each other, to meet and interact over the case. In the way that this was built up, it made it seem like their meeting over the dead body was destiny rather than happenstance.
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Kill Dozed posted:I thought the tie theory was some high level troll jabbing at all the other crazy goon theories. At least that is how I choose to look at it. But costume designers do put a lot of thought into an actor's outfit, so reading into that sort of thing isn't without precedence. I got the vibe that it began earnestly and then turned into the trolling, or maybe even it started as trolling, somehow became taken seriously, and back again. But I'm totally aware that costume designers put a lot of work into those sorts of things. While this sounds pretentious regardless of how/when/why I say it, I'm an aspiring filmmaker myself, so I'm not at all in the dark on that. That being said, aside from decking out Tuttle in a golden tie in one scene, I seriously, seriously think that it wasn't a conscious dec--actually, never mind about it, because 1) that's last season and this is a season 2 discussion thread and 2) I do not want to be the person responsible for reigniting any tie talk. When re-watching the premiere last night, I was taking some notes to use when writing my reviews. One thing I really noticed that I don't think we've discussed very much is the situation with Velcoro and his violent tendencies and how that relates to his family life. While, if I recall correctly, we only actually see one assault committed by Velcoro on screen, we also see him gearing up and going into a house where it's very heavily implied he's kicking someone's rear end, and we also saw the look of violent rage on his face after talking to So Money in the flashback near the beginning. We're also treated to the act that, even though Velcoro raised the kid on his own for a while, he didn't get more custody than the every-other-weekend (possibly every-other-week) visitation rights. Once you couple this with the substance abuse we see him partake in as well as his line of work, it becomes somewhat clear why he may not have gotten custody. The reason I bring it up is because there's a chance we'll be treated to more of that back story--the implied harm inflicted upon a suspected rapist before the LAPD dismissed him, etc. I also feel like we'll likely see the audio recorders that he uses to keep give is son notes and stuff come into play, more. It think it's an interesting touch to have him apologize to his son via the recorder. It suggests a lot about the character, as though he's the kind of guy whose pride won't let him say he's sorry t e face of someone he's wronged. During the first episode, at least, Velcoro is easily the most fleshed-out character. We'll see what more comes of the others as we go along. On that note, though, I really hope they do something more with Ani's character. The first season got poo poo for its portrayal of women, and so it's hard to not feel like Ani's inclusion in the show is Pizzolotto sort of defending himself, in a sense. The problem with this is that as it currently stands, she's barely a character. Despite us knowing more about her and seeing more of her during the episode's runtime than we saw of her dad, due to the fact that her father is the main reason I suspect we'll see more of her and her family (had it just been her and Athena, it wouldn't have suggested the same level of possible developments), her dad actually seems like a more important character, almost. Almost. So yeah, not exactly the most redeeming portrayal of women. I also can't help but wonder if perhaps any of this has anything to do with why the males are sexually challenged, and Caspere was castrated (though Ani definitely has some unhealthy aspects of her sex life, as well--(apparently) both kink and prudish). One last thought on the note of the sexual dysfunctions: We know that Paul solicited a BJ from that actress to get her out of the ticket, so the 'gay' theory doesn't exactly hold up. Nor does the full-on ED thing. I sort of wonder--and God, this isn't even an operating theory or anything yet, but given the clues we're given... His sex drive is totally in tact, he loses his CHP bike cop status because of said sex drive, and then he's shown not being able to get an erection or get interested in sexual activity. Could it possibly be that the loss of that awesome shiny thing that he relied on and kept tucked into his crotch between his legs (The motorcycle, I mean) is connected to the loss of his sex drive and masculinity? I'm thinking there just might be something there. Then again, I'm not claiming to have solved any mysteries or come up with too many sound theories until I've seen more than a single episode, so right now it's mostly "what if" scenarios and talking out my rear end.
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The Duggler posted:Well that was disturbing Pick up some Ligotti sometime if you get a chance. In (this poster's opinion), the dread that he can evoke pisses all over anything ever within the Cthulu mythos or its ilk.
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Zombie Raptor posted:We know that Paul solicited a BJ from that actress to get her out of the ticket, so the 'gay' theory doesn't exactly hold up. I don't think we know that. My interpretation was that she solicited him (which is on screen) and then he refused and busted her anyway so she lied to get back at him. His supervisor even says "This isn't you" in relation to the charges. I think what we've seen from his character so far indicates that he went all boyscout on the girl when she expected him to jump at the chance for sex. Edit: For what it's worth, I don't buy the gay theory either. Think it's more run of the mill PTSD/ED
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Finally got around to watching this and holy poo poo I've never seen so much over the top dark-angst and existential misery in an opening episode jesus christ you could spread all this poo poo out to episode 4 or 5 and it would still be a little "stylistic" or what have you but man oh boy way to overdo it, show. Seriously I got to the sit-down between Vaughn and Farrel with their weird Andy Warhol screen test stare-off when that drowned raccoon-eyed slag in the sundress moped-out "This is my least favorite life" and I burst out laughing and gave up taking this seriously. It's fun if you take it as camp, though.
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^^^go a couple pages back, read the post about how this show is pulpy, realize how silly you sound. victorious posted:The commune/institute where McAdams met her father is the same one Don Draper ended up at at the end of Mad Men right? I wish I hadn't read this. Four episodes left. My own fault. kiimo fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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kiimo posted:^^^go a couple pages back, read the post about how this show is pulpy, realize how silly you sound. Not at all. That's a big spoiler just throw loosely to the wind. What the eff.
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JackssWastedLife posted:I don't think we know that. My interpretation was that she solicited him (which is on screen) and then he refused and busted her anyway so she lied to get back at him. His supervisor even says "This isn't you" in relation to the charges. I think what we've seen from his character so far indicates that he went all boyscout on the girl when she expected him to jump at the chance for sex. Yeah, same here. It's ambiguous after the scene where his boss tells him he's suspended and I was wondering at that point if he had gotten the BJ, but after seeing how torturous the prospect of sex and intimacy was for him when he came home to a gorgeous super sexy woman just waiting in bed for him I thought there was no way he took that actress up on her offer.
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Let's not forget the best trolling of the season 1 theories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zTSDFiI24 As for season 2: When Ray Velcoro meets Aspen Conroy and beats up his dad: "You're twelve years old and you're already evil as gently caress." "12 years old my rear end. gently caress. You." Clearly, Velcoro can see behind the veil and recognizes Aspen isn't actually 12, but is disguising himself in the body of a 12-year-old. Aspen Conroy is actually a Lovecraftian nightmare who cuts up children's shoes, and Velcoro is the True Detective™.
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kiimo posted:^^^go a couple pages back, read the post about how this show is pulpy, realize how silly you sound. *Makes gay kissy faces with you for 30 seconds to drunken discount Fiona Apple music while our eyes well up with unspilled tears* I think my favorite character so far is brooding impotent motorcycle cop he's like if someone took James Hurley from Twin Peaks as seriously as possible.
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