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GulagDolls posted:oh, then gently caress off Seriously tho, why would you roleblock me after my claim and MMM's flip?
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and I will most certainly NOT gently caress off. If I hadn't been roleblocked I would have stopped the kill and seen where Captain Foo went (probably to Met's)
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Jul 4, 2015 23:28
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met living to day two would have been a tragedy
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Jul 4, 2015 23:30
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GulagDolls posted:met living to day two would have been a tragedy Explain the rationale that led you to roleblock me, please.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:35
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EXAKT Science posted:and I will most certainly NOT gently caress off. If I hadn't been roleblocked I would have stopped the kill and seen where Captain Foo went (probably to Met's) im sorry for saying that. i dont want anyone to feel bad. ive just had a real bad last couple of days. the truth is...i wasn't paying attention and never saw the doc claim. <_>
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GulagDolls posted:im sorry for saying that. i dont want anyone to feel bad. ive just had a real bad last couple of days. Sorry about your days  You had over a day to reread the thread and choose your targets, Gulag... 
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i did reread, just not very well, due to having severe brain failure, and then assumed i had done everything correctly
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GulagDolls posted:i did reread, just not very well, due to having severe brain failure, and then assumed i had done everything correctly oh well, could have been worse. Who do you think is a badguy?
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Jul 5, 2015 00:13
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idk yet. i want to make a chart of all the tracking/rolecop results also met would have probably had to die eventually
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GulagDolls posted:idk yet. i want to make a chart of all the tracking/rolecop results Yeah probably, he was as close to confirmed town as he could get, imo. I was just very annoyed that I was going to hit with my protect but didn't.
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Jul 5, 2015 00:21
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EXAKT Science posted:MMM's scumflip basically confirmed JakeP/Met as town to me because of how MMM had been pushing the Scum Miller angle, and so I figured scum would go for him last night. As it turns out, I was right, too. Hmmm, ok, that makes sense I guess. I hadn't really associated you with being the reason we did MMM, but I can see why you feel you were. Even on rereading I feel like Ghastly and Roy were the real reason it happened. I'd say all three of you look pretty good for it. EXAKT Science posted:By second strongest scumread is on you, KB. Really? Based on? Even on rereading myself I'm not seeing it. It is pretty obvious I wasn't on his scum team because there is no way I would have been the hammer. If I hadn't hammered at literally the last moment, it wouldn't have happened. It would have been a no cuddle. I was torn on whether or not to even do it because I really didn't think he was scum. If I was on his team, I would have held to that as my reason for not hammering so that he could use his PGO powers. It would have been a bloodbath.
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Jul 5, 2015 00:55
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EXAKT Science posted:WHY WOULD YOU ROLEBLOCK A CLAIMED DOCTOR WHO MADE THE CASE THAT DUNKED A SCUM AAAAAA It's possible he was just distracted as he said he was, but honestly, this makes him one of my number one scum. For both setup spec reasons as well as his target choice.
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I'm really curious to hear from everyone else at this point. Also, some of the folks who have been here like Carpet but haven't talked about night actions. Either talk about them or tell us why you wouldn't.
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I feel like I should vote for Gulag, but I also feel like I'd be abusing divined information.
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Ghastly Gangsta posted:I feel like I should vote for Gulag, but I also feel like I'd be abusing divined information. Theoretically someone was actually supposed to get that info. At this point I have to assume it is someone who hasn't shared. So we'll see. Also, the person that made the kill is probably one of those who hasn't shared.
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So night actions so far: Omega visited Zet and Exakt AC visited Omega and confirms the above. No second action? Roy visited KB and saw KB visit Roy and Zet. KB visited Zet and saw him visit GG and KB. KB visited Roy and confirmed he is vanilla(only rolecop/tracker) GG visited Zet and saw him visit GG and KB GG visited Roy and saw him visited by KB and Carpet Zet visits KB and GG and confirms their stories Exakt got RB'd Gulag RB'd Exakt Gulag visited AC and confirms AC's visit of Omega and AC's vanilla role. Unless we are all on a scum team together, it is pretty clear Zet and me and GG were not responsible for last night's kill. I'd say Omega and Exakt are pretty clear from the above too.
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GulagDolls posted:this game would be too easy if we could track scum to the nightkill i think Well, I think the game description rules that out in part: jon joe posted:This game's roles are specifically designed to upset your assumptions of your results, however. Do not put too much stock in your Rolecop or Tracker results as they apply to standard mafia logic. However, I will state that you will never receive an erroneous result on either; no insanity, undisclosed bus-drives, or visits that don't do what they say they do. The rolecop and tracker can, but not must, be used with your other role powers, if any, without issue. Including on the same or different players. I mean, I suppose there could be a ninja? But wouldn't all their actions be hidden then? Which would again, rule the above people out? Not to mention the rolecopping would reveal that role?
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Scum has incentive to wait as they can cater their report to fit the narrative they want to create, one that fits the stories of other people. But the Holiday also has an impact on non reporters.
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And imagine how many town would potentially have died to PGO if we didn't get him out on the first go. It could have been balanced with that in mind. I mean, it was potentially possible for scum to win on N1.
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King Burgundy posted:So night actions so far: Oh, also, Roy should have been on this not responsible list.
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Can we make a short list of 1. Who wasn't evidently visited 2. Who wasn't roll copped 3. Who hasn't reported
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King Burgundy posted:Oh, also, Roy should have been on this not responsible list. Yes, I indeed was not responsible, I wasn't even responsible enough to use both roles.
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Roydrowsy posted:Can we make a short list of I'm gonna eat some dinner, but if no one beats me to it I'll take care of it when I get back.
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Roydrowsy posted:Can we make a short list of 1) People that have no proof of being visited: Foo Carpet PinMom Gulag (This is pending since I'm assuming someone did due to the mod mistake/rolecop of him) 2)People who have not been rolecopped: Foo Exakt (Not sure what Omega did here) GG (But he kinda outted himself anyway) Omega(But possibly was by AC, she just didn't say) PinMom Carpet Zet (Not sure what Omega did here) 3)People who haven't reported: Foo PinMom Carpet 4)People with incomplete reports: AC Omega ---- That's my take on what we have so far.
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Oh, yeah, I rolecopped Goo. 'nilla.
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King Burgundy posted:1) People that have no proof of being visited: With this in mind, I think I am most interested in seeing what PinMom has to say. They have hardly said anything this entire game. They posted an early vote for EXAKT and that is really about it. Honestly the same goes for Carpet and Foo. I'm hardly in a position to meta-game anybody, but I feel like Foo seemed a lot more helpful in the last game we played. It seems a little weird that there might be 3 people in some sort of self contained bubble. Lots to consider. Need more input.
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I've read the thread, but due to holiday I am a bit frazzled and will reread the thread tomorrow. I wanted to see why my reports didn't make sense to me. I saw Exakt visit no one. Zetsubou is vanilla (for this game).
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King Burgundy posted:Hmmm, ok, that makes sense I guess. I hadn't really associated you with being the reason we did MMM, but I can see why you feel you were. Even on rereading I feel like Ghastly and Roy were the real reason it happened. I'd say all three of you look pretty good for it. Your explanation about the PGO bit makes sense, but you did say you'd hammer MMM to avoid a no-lunch, but had no interest in voting him other than that. I could see you hammering him to keep up appearances, but your explanation does make me feel better about you. What made me more suspicious was the way you proposed Zetsu as an alternative and pushed him as an alternative to MMM up until a point that felt uncomfortably close to deadline. King Burgundy posted:It's possible he was just distracted as he said he was, but honestly, this makes him one of my number one scum. For both setup spec reasons as well as his target choice. I always have an impossible time reading Gulag. I guess I'd vote him today, but he's not my first choice. KB, what do you think of Foo, especially his defense of MMM?
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EXAKT Science posted:I always have an impossible time reading Gulag. I guess I'd vote him today, but he's not my first choice. KB, what do you think of Foo, especially his defense of MMM? I'm suspicious of him. And Gulag, and PinMom. And maybe even Carpet. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and them to come back into the thread and discuss their actions before I pursue anything in earnest though.
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Based on the rules as expressed, I'm pretty sure we could track to the kill unless there was a Ninja. If we can't, then it's gonna be hard to base this stuff on role information. On a related note, I am inclined to believe Exakt is town after yesterday AND the information I got n1. Phone posting is hard.
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I am getting a funny feeling.EXAKT Science posted:WHY WOULD YOU ROLEBLOCK A CLAIMED DOCTOR WHO MADE THE CASE THAT DUNKED A SCUM AAAAAA I am curious about this. Can you explain how you "made the case that dunked a scum?" You made this post. EXAKT Science posted:alright, just wanted to check. i've seen worse day 1 cases, but you're wrong. i think MMM is a better vote today. Which is the ONLY thing you happened to say about MMM. Which, to be honest... Captain Foo posted:this isn't a good argument at all And immediately after you "made the case" you posted... EXAKT Science posted:four of us could swing to Met After the JakeP thing went south and he switch, you were the number one candidate to vote out. You suggested the push to Met, which would have spared you and MMM. When things continued to head your way, you used the doctor thing. Things don't quite feel right concerning you. EXAKT Science posted:I got roleblocked. I tried to protect Met, track CaptainFoo, and Rolecop Gulag, but none of it happened. There is no way to prove or confirm this is true. In fact, nobody has even confirmed that you ARE a doctor yet. We have to take your word for it, where as we have confirmation of what most other people did. That being said, We have been told that the information we get isn't always going to be cut and dry. It is possible that there are people with roles/positions we assume are Town aligned, who are not. Having a "doc" role blocked the night he says he was going to protect the dude who got killed... it's convenient.
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Roydrowsy posted:I am getting a funny feeling. You have managed to build up a lot of goodwill with.. some luck... an as of yet unverified Doctor claim and information that cannot be confirmed, that we have to take your word for. I'm willing to have somebody convince me I'm wrong, but for right now ##vote EXAKT
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OmegaGoo posted:
can you clarify on these visits? who did you role cop? what did it say? who did you track? what did you find?
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quote:We have been told that the information we get isn't always going to be cut and dry. It is possible that there are people with roles/positions we assume are Town aligned, who are not. Having a "doc" role blocked the night he says he was going to protect the dude who got killed... it's convenient. in what way is it convenient? him claiming to have protected the guy who died doesn't help or hinder him in any way. I think exakt is taking a bit too much credit for MMM's death too but, again, this isn't something that makes him scum. it's a common thing to do, to overstate your own importance when you were on a scum lynch. i've done/thought it bunches of times.
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GulagDolls posted:in what way is it convenient? him claiming to have protected the guy who died doesn't help or hinder him in any way. Part of it is a gut thing. It just doesn't feel right. The moment Exakt is role blocked, if he has doctoral powers of protection, he has the ability to claim that he intended to save ANYBODY within the game. The person he states he wanted to protect and save is JakeP, who died and flipped town. So, Exakt can be telling us the truth that this is what he intended to do. Or, he can lie and say it was what he intended to do. There is no way to make sure. I disagree that the claim can help him. While not overly, the claim that he attempted to save a non-confirmed member of town creates a pro-town narrative. "I am the case on MMM" an attempt to portray a pro-town narrative (while exaggerated) "I am the doctor" still technically not confirmed - saved himself from the D1 vote - building trust and a pro-town narrative "if I could have, I would have said the dead town member" - part of the pro-town narrative. Also, if Exakt goes out and identifies himself as doctor, wouldn't that have made them a priority target? I dunno, it just feels wrong.
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Roydrowsy posted:
sorry, had to edit.
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