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Hillary is giving her first unscripted interview since she declared tomorrow. It's an hour long and open to all subjects. It's airing tomorrow at 5 pm on CNN.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:02
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:When was the last time an "insurgent" won a nomination. (And if you say Barack I will hit you. Very Hard.) barack obama
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Jul 6, 2015 21:05
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:VP's are basically a way to shore up whatever weakness you have. Not really. VP choice barely matters at all, unless you do something ridiculous and wind up with a McGovern/Eagleton situation, in which case it can damage you. As has been noted repeatedly in the past when this comes up, outside of background checking for actual scandal-bait, the only criteria that really matters is whether or not the Presidential candidate feels they can put up with the VP candidate - pretty much daily - for eight years (and that the candidate is willing to take the VP gig if offered). You don't pick someone who is ideologically different in any significant way and you don't pick anyone based primarily on their state of residence, aside from trying to avoid nominating someone from the same state as the Presidential candidate, because that would require extra Cheney-style paper work. Hillary will pick someone she likes and trusts who is ideologically similar to herself. Everything else is super-secondary.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:06
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quite the fucker posted:barack obama Obama wasn't really an insurgent. He had a lot of support from within the party. funtax posted:Not really. VP choice barely matters at all, unless you do something ridiculous and wind up with a McGovern/Eagleton situation, in which case it can damage you. Your basically supporting my argument that she will pick someone safe and white.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:09
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Obama wasn't really an insurgent. He had a lot of support from within the party. It could be helpful if you provided the definition of "insurgent" you're operating with. If that definition includes "is not supported by the party he's running for" then pretty much no one ever is going to qualify.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:10
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Brannock posted:It could be helpful if you provided the definition of "insurgent" you're operating with. If that definition includes "is not supported by the party he's running for" then pretty much no one ever is going to qualify. That's kind of my point. Bernie does not have the support of the DNC or establishment Democrats (Hillary has managed to rack up a record number of endorsements -- more than even Al Gore had at this stage of the game.) I am asking when someone who had near zero or no support from within the party establishment was able to win the nomination of either party.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:12
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Brannock posted:It could be helpful if you provided the definition of "insurgent" you're operating with. If that definition includes "is not supported by the party he's running for" then pretty much no one ever is going to qualify.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:13
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JT Jag posted:I presume he just meant dark horse, a complete unknown who ends up getting nominated somehow, and I suggested Jimmy Carter as the most recent one of those. Which I agreed with, though I don't think a candidacy like Carter's can happen in the modern campaign system. (Carter won by the party bosses not understanding the world had changed, and underestimating the power if an 'outsider')
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Jul 6, 2015 21:15
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Evan Bayh The only time anyone ever hears Evan Bayh's name is when people are making lists of possible running mate picks. Never at any other time or for any other reason. I'm starting to think that there is no "Evan Bayh", that it's just a placeholder name that people can use to pad out their veepstakes lists.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:15
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Powered Descent posted:The only time anyone ever hears Evan Bayh's name is when people are making lists of possible running mate picks. Never at any other time or for any other reason. He's like the most boring, generic white dude ever with the bonus of people kind of knowing who he is. He was kind of a rising star in the party once.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:16
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Saying Obama was an insurgent wasn't a closet-Muslim joke? For shame, goons.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:17
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McGovern.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:19
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am asking when someone who had near zero or no support from within the party establishment was able to win the nomination of either party. Matt Santos?
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Jul 6, 2015 21:19
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Powered Descent posted:The only time anyone ever hears Evan Bayh's name is when people are making lists of possible running mate picks. Never at any other time or for any other reason.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:21
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 apparently Bayh has 10m in unspent campaign funds just sitting around in trust. you know. just in case. you never know. really. you don't.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:23
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Trump retweets and deletes http://time.com/3946544/donald-trump-mexican-jeb-bush-twitter/
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Jul 6, 2015 21:29
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I'm excited to see how much longer Trump can keep his little publicity stunt going.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:31
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Monkey Fracas posted:I'm excited to see how much longer Trump can keep his little publicity stunt going. As long as Fox thinks they can distract us from real politicians.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:31
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don Jaime posted:That's what worries me no end. The parallels to Nader's gently caress the Democrats campaigns are worrying, particularly since so many Sanderistas openly say they won't vote for Clinton if they can't have Bernie. At least the candidate himself lacks the venom of Nader. I'm hoping he bows out gracefully when the time comes. Nader ran as a third candidate in the general. Sanders is already on record as saying he won't run as an independent if he loses the primary. There aren't any similarities to Nader at all, other than they were both the least evil in their respective eras. People saying they won't vote for Hillary in the general wouldn't have voted for her anyways. It's like counting torrents as lost sales. 
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Jul 6, 2015 21:32
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i'm voting for donald trump
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Jul 6, 2015 21:33
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Matt Santos? Bartlet '16
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Jul 6, 2015 21:34
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:As long as Fox thinks they can distract us from real politicians. I guess ya gotta fill that 24-hour cycle with something. Why not Trump I guess?
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Jul 6, 2015 21:34
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quite the fucker posted:i'm voting for donald trump You can only participate in one primary usually, right? If I were an American I'd have a hard time deciding between voting for Bernie to raise the profile of left issues or voting for Trump to perpetuate the Republican side-show. I'm assuming the other Republican candidates are treating his unusually large share of support as functionally a grab-bag of undecideds for when he inevitably drops out before Iowa, so it's kind of masking the true breakdown of support in the polls.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:36
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Your basically supporting my argument that she will pick someone safe and white. Probably so, but not because of any sense that she needs to "shore up" her safe or white credentials somehow. She'll pick someone she likes and trusts, which doesn't necessarily mean someone "safe" in the sense of just being a boring, invisible specimen. In spite of the fact that he is objectively a cringe-inducing weirdo with the capacity to Out-Biden Onion Biden, there's a better chance of her picking Terry McAulliffe than Jim Webb or Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders (which is not to say that there's much of a chance of McAuliffe getting tapped). As for the race, the chances are pretty strong that her VP nominee will be white, but only for mathematical reasons - that is, because the majority of Clinton allies are white. But she could easily decide that someone like Julian Castro understands how she expects a VP to operate and go with him. If race is considered at all, it will be way down on her list of wants.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:37
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Seriously, who was the last candidate to fill a ten thousand seat stadium a year and a half out from the election?
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Jul 6, 2015 21:39
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quote:The ample crowds and unexpectedly strong showing by Senator Bernie Sanders are setting off worry among advisers and allies of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who believe the Vermont senator could overtake her in Iowa polls by the fall and even defeat her in the nation’s first nominating contest there. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clintons-team-is-wary-as-bernie-sanders-finds-footing-in-iowa.html
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Jul 6, 2015 21:40
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Mister Macys posted:Seriously, who was the last candidate to fill a ten thousand seat stadium a year and a half out from the election? That does't translate into money, votes, or support.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:42
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am asking when someone who had near zero or no support from within the party establishment was able to win the nomination of either party. Serious Answer: John Kerry prior to Dean's collapse? The establishment lined up behind him right up until he came in third.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:42
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Mister Macys posted:Seriously, who was the last candidate to fill a ten thousand seat stadium a year and a half out from the election? I'm hoping Sanders does at least well enough to shape the primary narrative, but this says at least as much about how the campaign process has shifted and lengthened over the years as it does about him.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:43
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Serious Answer: John Kerry prior to Dean's collapse? The establishment lined up behind him right up until he came in third. Ehhhhh. Kerry had a pretty dece chunk of support from the establishment, and I think you can argue that Dean's implosion was at least egged on by said establishment.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:45
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Oh Huck Chick Fil A Video of him running drive thru https://twitter.com/JHoganGidley/status/618136244254584832
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Jul 6, 2015 21:46
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh Huck that's the least-crowded Chik-Fil-A i've ever seen
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Jul 6, 2015 21:46
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Mister Macys posted:Seriously, who was the last candidate to fill a ten thousand seat stadium a year and a half out from the election? She didn't release the number, but the crowd at Hillary's announcement on Roosevelt Island was probably over 10,000, especially since there were people standing outside the fence listening in.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:54
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh Huck So loving awkward. Gotta love how Chic-fil-a has gone from 'our CEO really likes God and we're closed on Sundays' to 'CHRISTIAN CHICKEN' You'd think the right wing would rally around Church's Chicken instead 
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Jul 6, 2015 21:58
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It is pretty funny reading all the posts about how Bernie has no chance at all, while the bible of Very Seriousness the New York Times is publishing articles about Hillary possibly losing Iowa six months before the caucus.The X-man cometh posted:She didn't release the number, but the crowd at Hillary's announcement on Roosevelt Island was probably over 10,000, especially since there were people standing outside the fence listening in. I read it was around 4,500.
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Jul 6, 2015 21:59
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:It is pretty funny reading all the posts about how Bernie has no chance at all, while the bible of Very Seriousness the New York Times is publishing articles about Hillary possibly losing Iowa six months before the caucus. Also, horserace narrative
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Jul 6, 2015 22:02
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JT Jag posted:I'm not sure how much of that is actually due to good signs for Bernie, the New York Times loves to poo poo on Hillary The NYT has actually been kinda schizophrenic on Bernie alternating between ignoring him and then saying he's a real challenger.
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Jul 6, 2015 22:04
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team overhead smash posted:Hiliary has announced she is anti-BDS Unfortunately, maybe this is one of the issues she is actually passionate about which is why she went out of her way to make a public statement. I knew that was her position but reading that still made my blood boil. I support a two state solution but I have and will do everything in my power to prevent Palestinian state hood. Boycotting Israel for being an Apartheid state is bad because Israel isn't an Apartheid state because Reasons and also there was an anti-Semitic attack in Europe which is related to the Palestinians living in an open air prison also because Reasons. God drat just gently caress you Hilary. The only thing that will keep my bile down long enough to vote for you is the constant stream of molten poo poo pouring forth from the thousand mouths of the Republican party and the terror that fills my mind of any one of them being President of the United States.
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Jul 6, 2015 22:06
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The X-man cometh posted:She didn't release the number, but the crowd at Hillary's announcement on Roosevelt Island was probably over 10,000, especially since there were people standing outside the fence listening in. Fair enough, but for a stump speech?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Except Gabbo was fuckin cool, you SOB. Yeah, I'd like to see Scott Walker do the Hully Gully.
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