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OmegaGoo posted:How does basing what happened down to the deadline make Exakt scum? His claim was among the primary reasons we lynched such a powerful role in MMM. oh sorry I meant aren't scum
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The Carpet Shark posted:Eh? I think you're sort of ignoring my other posts around that one and also ignoring what I'm saying in the quoted post. The Carpet Shark posted:To be clear, based on the what happened down to the deadline, I think Roy, EXAKT, OmegaGoo and probably KingB are scum. GG and Ac I'm less sure about, specifically Ac flip flopped in a weird way. these posts are two minutes apart. did you confuse the word scum and town at some point
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Jul 7, 2015 03:33
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Yes that is pretty much what happened thereThe Carpet Shark posted:oh sorry
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Jul 7, 2015 03:34
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The Carpet Shark posted:oh sorry GulagDolls posted:these posts are two minutes apart. did you confuse the word scum and town at some point We're gonna go with "yes".
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Jul 7, 2015 03:34
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oh. apostate's vote was my reason for tracking+rolecopping her 
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Jul 7, 2015 03:35
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OmegaGoo posted:We're gonna go with "yes". lsiten you goo gently caress. that post hadnt appeared yet, on my monitor screen
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Jul 7, 2015 03:36
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GulagDolls posted:lsiten you goo gently caress. that post hadnt appeared yet, on my monitor screen Hey! I'm a goony gently caress, thankyouverymuch.
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Jul 7, 2015 03:38
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King Burgundy posted:Man. At this point I can only assume you are coming at this from a scum perspective because you seem to be attributing really really stupid actions to me. i find KB's post here convincing, although I think a lot of people WOULD just hammer him as their scumbuddy to avoid suspicion. theres also the possibility that jakep never showed up in the scumdoc to tell people his role and none of them knew about it. but probably not.
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Jul 7, 2015 03:39
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GulagDolls posted:i find KB's post here convincing, although I think a lot of people WOULD just hammer him as their scumbuddy to avoid suspicion. theres also the possibility that jakep never showed up in the scumdoc to tell people his role and none of them knew about it. but probably not. You mean MMM? JakeP was town.
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Jul 7, 2015 04:35
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Jul 7, 2015 04:41
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Gulag who do you think is a scum?
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Jul 7, 2015 04:52
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train of thought: I felt bad about apostate. the only think that makes me hesitate is that I tracked+rolecopped her and got nothing weird, but quote:This game's roles are specifically designed to upset your assumptions of your results, however. Do not put too much stock in your Rolecop or Tracker results as they apply to standard mafia logic. the hardcore pursuit of goo d1 is kind of weird, and then immediately abandoned in favor of exakt for some reason. but she does track/rolecop omegagoo, which is consistent. apostateCourier posted:I dislike your super goddamned condescending attitude. Also stop coaching me, and stop with the direct insults. You did not address the fact that I did in fact have more content than that, and that you are misrepresenting facts. Then you go straight to insults. "you look scummy but nah no scum would be that stupid" Wow. is too impassioned, considering the catalyst for it, imo, and then this vote is called a mistake and abandoned within 30 minutes. but she mentioned meds and i know how THAT goes, and I flew off the handle earlier too... so right now I am null on apostate. i know thats a lot of words for 'null read' but I started this post with the intention of saying she was scum, before rereading her post history many times. <_>; their post history makes it really obvious, so I don't feel like typing out a screed, but I do feel like one of zetsu/pmom is scum, but probably not together at this point. I would vote zetsu first today.
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Jul 7, 2015 05:15
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King Burgundy posted:Man. At this point I can only assume you are coming at this from a scum perspective because you seem to be attributing really really stupid actions to me. this logic makes sense but i don't think foo is scum for not considering how unwise it would be for scumteam to hammer PGO
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Jul 7, 2015 05:18
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Zetsubou-san posted:and yet, that's still more than you've done. like, all after all that crazy poo poo, we get....this...wtf. ##vote zetsu
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Jul 7, 2015 05:29
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The Carpet Shark posted:Eh? I think you're sort of ignoring my other posts around that one and also ignoring what I'm saying in the quoted post. Can you clarify if those two are your top scum picks? Or who your top scum picks are?
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Jul 7, 2015 05:42
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GulagDolls posted:this logic makes sense but i don't think foo is scum for not considering how unwise it would be for scumteam to hammer PGO I'm waffling back and forth on this, because he's been missing other things and making other mistakes. Could be tired towny like he says he is. Or could be distracted scum who isn't paying a lot of attention to the thread since he doesn't need to scum hunt.
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Jul 7, 2015 05:43
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i dont like how he's been overstating how he's playing badly (??? why so self-conscious o_o;;; or that he is saying it is because he is tired. i mean how tired can one person be, all the time.
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Jul 7, 2015 05:46
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King Burgundy posted:I'm waffling back and forth on this, because he's been missing other things and making other mistakes. Could be tired towny like he says he is. Or could be distracted scum who isn't paying a lot of attention to the thread since he doesn't need to scum hunt. and also well, I was also looking at what I thought were awkward votes on MMM, before you pointed this out. its most of the reason I copped+tracked AC. I hadn't considered it that heavily from a scum POV
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Jul 7, 2015 05:48
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Alright, going to update my list because I'm having a hard time keeping track of this stuff: Night Actions: Omega visited Zet and confirmed he is vanilla(only rolecop/tracker). Omega visited Exakt and he didn't go anywhere. AC visited Omega and confirms vanilla . AC visited Omega and confirms his above visits. Roy visited KB and saw KB visit Roy and Zet (He didn't realize he could use his other action too). KB visited Zet and saw him visit GG and KB. KB visited Roy and confirmed he is vanilla. GG visited Zet and saw him visit GG and KB. GG visited Roy and saw him visited by KB and Carpet. Zet visited KB and confirms he is vanilla. Zet visited GG and confirms his visits. Exakt got Roleblocked so didn't get to take his actions. Gulag Roleblocked Exakt. Gulag visited AC and confirms AC's visit of only Omega. Gulag visited AC and confirms she is vanilla. Captain Foo says he couldn't submit any actions. PinMom visited Gulag and I'm assuming he is confirming Gulag's targets, but he didn't say. PinMom visited AC and confirms she is vanilla. I think we've still got no report from Carpet unless I've missed it somehow?
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Jul 7, 2015 06:05
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Rolecopped people: AC - vanilla KB - vanilla Omega - vanilla Roy - vanilla Zet - vanilla Nonrolecopped: Foo - ? Exakt - Doctor? GG - Watcher? Gulag - Roleblocker PinMom - ? Carpet - Godfather? Flipped: JakeP/Met - Miller MMM - PGO
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Jul 7, 2015 06:19
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Probably 3 scum in a 13 player game, right? So 2 left. I'm going to continue to assume, for now, that the scum kill last night was performed by someone we didn't track last night. People not tracked last night: Foo PinMom Roy Carpet I think there would have to be at least one of the scum in this list. And the other could ALSO be in this list, but might be among the others. I'm eliminating Roy from the potential killer list because I can't see him as scum given when he voted the PGO/etc. I'm really only comfortable voting for one of the other three today, and I'm still debating who my Most Wanted is. Right now I'm leaning Pin. ##vote Pinterest Mom I feel like he came back only because of my meta read of him(he'd previously been posting other places but not here) and since coming back he hasn't really commented on the meat of the game at all, just went for a couple easy jabs and disappeared.
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Jul 7, 2015 07:17
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Since I tracked GG I know that he should have got a result on Foo, but GG revealed he got Gulag instead (due to mod error). Another thought, since KB just noted a possibility of a godfather, and we do have a miller. we might also have a cop, which due to setup is no indicator of townness/scumness. yet another: quote:Do not put too much stock in your Rolecop or Tracker results as they apply to standard mafia logic. We've been assuming that our rolecop results might be unreliable in working out who is town (i.e PGO is usually given to town), but the tracking results accurate? I just checked and the following people were not tracked - Roy, Foo, PMom, CShark, Met Gulag was tracked but PMom hasn't said anything about the results. Exakt was tracked but returned a "went nowhere" due to roleblocking fake edit: dammit KB
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Jul 7, 2015 07:49
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Zetsubou-san posted:Since I tracked GG I know that he should have got a rolecop result on Foo, but GG revealed he got Gulag instead (due to mod error). mafia edit
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Also I fully reread MMM and the interactions leading up to his cuddle and I'm actually going to have a hard time seeing pretty much anyone who voted for him as scum in this game. Again, I know bussing is a thing, I myself do it as scum, but I feel like this role in this game is just too special for that. And there were so many places to avoid MMM as the target. So MMM voters, in order: JakeP/Met - dead Exakt - Starts the charge, there was no momentum on MMM. Roy - Continues the charge doing his own thing. GG - Votes MM to avoid a nocuddle, 18 min before deadline. There were other ways to play this if he was scum to avoid getting his PGO buddy killed. Omega - Votes MM, same deal. Then MMM says he's a bodyguard and GG says: Ghastly Gangsta posted:This is a bogus claim I bet. Again, why would he do this at this point rather than using it as an excuse to avoid voting for him like he did the claimed doctor. This makes GG look really good in my mind. AC responds to GG's post with her own vote on MM. I guess this one could be for cred since we are at -2 before her vote, but again, there are other choices to make here and MMM going home is not a sure thing. MMM even feeds a possible countercurrent with: MMM Whatchya Say posted:This isn't the sort of game people can lie about claims and not get called on it Which is a brilliant trap if he can survive the day. Surely his scum buddies would back him up on this and try to switch things up. AC does respond to it and GG makes noises about switching as well. They both swap to Zet. At this point Zet gets up to 4 votes and we have 5 minutes left to deadline. There is no reason they couldn't keep fighting to make Zet happen or say "oops, ran out of time" or whatever and allowed for the no cuddle so that MMM could brutalize people, but they switch back almost immediately to MMM. Honestly in this whole interaction the only people that look bad are Me, for fighting against MMM cuddle the whole way through and all of the folks who vanished for the end: PinMom was around pre deadline and vanished. Carpet was on earlier in the day and said she'd be back but wasn't. Foo bailed out before the MMM thing was a thing, so he at least wasn't ducking out on the possible MMM vote specifically at that point. And Zet and Gulag. Anyway, we finally hit buzzer, there is less than a minute to deadline and I hammer. This is the thing that clears me from otherwise looking bad, because it was unnecessary, no one else was going to hammer and if I had held back the scum team was pretty much assured multiple town deaths. And they would be completely unexplained town deaths too, so I could even have sacrificed myself the following day to let MMM kill more people if we didn't kill enough to win the first night. ---- Anyway, we've been over some of that before, but I just wanted to get all these thoughts out there. I think I'm going to have a hard time voting for any of the remaining people who voted for MMM for the rest of the game. So that means my potential scum list is only the following: Pin, Foo, Carpet, Gulag, Zet. That's it. The scum are in that group for sure.
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Jul 7, 2015 07:54
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Zetsubou-san posted:Since I tracked GG I know that he should have got a result on Foo, but GG revealed he got Gulag instead (due to mod error). Hmmm, wait, can you restate your full results? I must have missed something. Are you saying you saw GG go to Roy, Zet and Foo? Doesn't change much, but I want a clear picture.
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Jul 7, 2015 07:58
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King Burgundy posted:Hmmm, wait, can you restate your full results? I must have missed something. Are you saying you saw GG go to Roy, Zet and Foo? Doesn't change much, but I want a clear picture. yeah, GG visited Roy, Foo, and myself. I was going to make something of it, but JJ stated the gulag result was in error so I assumed he got the gulag result instead of Foo and didn't pursue it.
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Jul 7, 2015 08:15
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GulagDolls posted:i dont like how he's been overstating how he's playing badly (??? why so self-conscious o_o;;; hi gulag!! i was basically a zombie yesterday lmao, but feeling much better today. so let's see - first thing I don't like so far Zetsubou-san posted:and yet, that's still more than you've done. this is kind of omgusy, but there is a point here. pinmom hasn't been doing much, so calling out someone for similar looks rather bad
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Jul 7, 2015 14:23
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The Carpet Shark posted:I mean I guess I get the idea of what you're saying, but I was fairly specific about which votes I thought were townie nah, you're again spouting generic mafia logic "scum often has a vote on scum to not seem obviously avoiding" all of your posting has been saying things that are or nearly truisms without any real content and I don't like it
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Jul 7, 2015 14:27
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burgundy is town in my book, after getting clarifications and seeing what he's been doing he seems far too helpful to be scum
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Jul 7, 2015 14:29
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GulagDolls posted:train of thought: I felt bad about apostate. the only think that makes me hesitate is that I tracked+rolecopped her and got nothing weird, but i don't think apostate getting after goo D1 was weird at all, i found him quite scummy d1 also, then she got spun off into attacking roydrowsy for reasons that were explained and then goo was essentially given newbie amnesty
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Jul 7, 2015 14:40
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Pinterest Mom posted:Met seems like a fine kill I guess. Jake really was just throwing poo poo at the wall, but it really sucks to replace into a game and immediately be killed. wtf is this post "it's ok to kill REPLACEMENT GOON; sucks to be REPLACEMENT GOON and promptly killed"
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Jul 7, 2015 14:45
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GulagDolls posted:im sorry for saying that. i dont want anyone to feel bad. ive just had a real bad last couple of days.
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Jul 7, 2015 14:53
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GulagDolls posted:i did reread, just not very well, due to having severe brain failure, and then assumed i had done everything correctly meant to quote this post - let's assume you're telling the truth and never saw that exakt claimed doc (even though it drastically changed the entire end of d1) what was your reasoning for blocking him?
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Votecount for Day 2  Pinterest Mom (3): OmegaGoo, Zetsubou-san, King Burgundy Captain Foo (2): EXAKT Science, King Burgundy, Roydrowsy, Zetsubou-san (2): Pinterest Mom, GulagDolls EXAKT Science (0): Roydrowsy, GulagDolls (0): Ghastly Gangsta, Not Voting (4): apostateCourier, Captain Foo, Ghastly Gangsta, The Carpet SharkWith 11 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch. The current deadline is July 07th, 2015 at 10:59 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 10 hours, 20 minutes.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:38
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hmm looks like i again won't be around for deadline and actually probably won't be around much at all after about a couple hours from now
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Jul 7, 2015 17:49
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##vote gulag
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Jul 7, 2015 18:50
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Captain Foo posted:##vote gulag I understand the sentiment, but does this vote actually help anything? (I do follow your case on Gulag, so it's not like this vote is out of left field)
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Jul 7, 2015 18:54
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OmegaGoo posted:I understand the sentiment, but does this vote actually help anything? (I do follow your case on Gulag, so it's not like this vote is out of left field) well it got a reaction from someone beyond me shouting at clouds, so yes? I don't have a lot of time to post before I'm gone until deadline, so I want to see what I can get done in terms of stimulating discussion
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Captain Foo posted:well it got a reaction from someone beyond me shouting at clouds, so yes? I don't have a lot of time to post before I'm gone until deadline, so I want to see what I can get done in terms of stimulating discussion Sorry, I don't have much beyond "I understand your case on Gulag, but I think Pinterest really needs to go." That, and we can see what Gulag is up to tonight. If it makes anyone feel better, I will ensure that I track Gulag tonight. Wine included, of course.
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I would really like to hear gulag's thought process on the Exakt block
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