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korusan posted:This season is pretty on par with last I'd say. They've captured the weird vice side of California pretty well so far. S1 had a lot of overlapping sexual themes that really harmonized well. Ritualistic rape and murder were juxtaposed with casual exposure to sex trade that absolutely nobody seemed to care about (except only briefly, when Marty finds an underaged sex worker and.. gives her some money). The best defense of the sexual economy is a halfhearted effort to suggest that prostitution empowers women, but it's lampshaded by the fact that men are the ultimate financial beneficiaries anyway. Marty cheats on his wife, his kids are exposed to sexual violence at a very young age and eventually act out sexually, and Maggie eventually leverages her own sexual independence as a desperate resort culminate her marriage with Marty. Everything points to the relentless sexual oppression of women in our culture, and how catching the worst offenders of sexual violence is either impossible or does nothing to mitigate the underlying problems that allow such monsters to come to exist in the first place. S2 also has a lot of sexual subtext but it's harder to reconcile with the geographical culture. The pieces are there to argue that this season is thematically driven by emasculation: each male focal character has some sexual anxiety (Ray's questionable fatherhood, Semyon's inability to sire a child, Woodrugh's impotence/repressed sexuality). The primary victim is ridiculed for his desire to witness, but not engage in, sexual intercourse - and, of course, is castrated (a little too obvious...). But the show still has a lot of legwork to do to impress upon me how the highway system or rail corridor parallel the loss of masculine sexual agency, or how any of this relates to some cultural plight for masculinity in Los Angeles or Californian culture. Like, it's possible; the show could still craft an excellent dissertation on how downtrodden men are in CA (are they?), but so far it just looks like a bunch of mixed metaphors.
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Tellah posted:The pieces are there to argue that this season is thematically driven by emasculation: each male focal character has some sexual anxiety. The primary thought I have when watching these aerial highway shots is how, although they are intended to connect, in reality they partition the terrain into those small lots. Similarly, each of the characters is essentially living their own story - each one is his or her own separate lot. Basic alienation stuff.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:52
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Ani is secretly a male character, that's why she's oppressing her sister.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:27
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Junkfist posted:Ani is secretly a male character, that's why she's oppressing her sister. Bike Cop is probably gay for her.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:31
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Ani could still be a woman in that scenario though, think about it guys: Bike Cop Bikecop Bi Cop
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Jul 10, 2015 15:48
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mamelon posted:Ani could still be a woman in that scenario though, think about it guys: hahahaha holy poo poo
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Jul 10, 2015 16:22
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Junkfist posted:Ani is secretly a male character, that's why she's oppressing her sister. This but unironically. She takes on a masculine role and serves to enforce that feminine masculinity is also undermined in the show's bizarro-universe. meristem posted:The primary thought I have when watching these aerial highway shots is how, although they are intended to connect, in reality they partition the terrain into those small lots. A lot of people complain in this thread that everyone is talking through each other (especially Vaughn while monologuing) rather than to each other. The highway shots reinforce the feeling of interpersonal detachment, isolation, and autistic indifference and should be considered successful. Like, oh no Stan was killed - wait who? Nobody cares. His co-henchmen don't care and Vaughn only cares to the extent that it represents a threat to his own person and ego. Stan deserved better because he worked for Vaughn, and Semyon is a Very Important Person so you don't get to just clip or torture his men like this. Anyway, bury that guy; cue highway shot.
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Jul 10, 2015 16:37
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Her knife is a penis.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:13
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Paladinus posted:E-cigs are stupid as gently caress. I haven't encountered a single vaper who wasn't also a vapid oval office. You're pretty much a complete loving moron if you think this, since the industry is exploding with former tobacco smokers converting to something much healthier, but I'll admit that anyone who calls themselves a 'vaper' or actually hangs out at vape shops to vape is pretty weird.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:23
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oswald ownenstein posted:You're pretty much a complete loving moron if you think this, since the industry is exploding with former tobacco smokers converting to something much healthier, but I'll admit that anyone who calls themselves a 'vaper' or actually hangs out at vape shops to vape is pretty weird. There's a big difference between people who vape because they love it so much, and people who wish they were smoking a real cigarette and would rather at least have something to simulate the physical aspect (and most enjoyable aspect) of cigarettes while trying to kick the habit. A really big difference.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:37
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Man I already solved this poo poo. The weird kink Ani is into is pegging dudes. She will peg Bi Cop.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:43
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Solice Kirsk posted:Yeah, Dan Dority from Deadwood. I wish they would just make a season where the HBO veterans play the leads, instead of milling about uselessly in the background.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:48
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precision posted:Man I already solved this poo poo. The weird kink Ani is into is pegging dudes. She will peg Bi Cop. The ecig is literally a robo penis.
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Jul 10, 2015 18:59
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"Fully functional"
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Paladinus posted:E-cigs are stupid as gently caress. I haven't encountered a single vaper who wasn't also a vapid oval office. You sound like a super cool dude.
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I mean if you define yourself as a vaper, you're probably insufferable, but otherwise, yeah, most people who do it, do it to quit smoking or because of the physical habit associated with it even after they've quit--and my friend does it because it's a portable hookah to him, and he loves to smoke hookah. He's also kind of a redneck hipster kind of dude except not insufferable
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Jul 10, 2015 22:10
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It's the difference between "Why yes, I smoke weed" and plastering your car with Bob Marley and 420 stickers.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:12
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precision posted:It's the difference between "Why yes, I smoke weed" and plastering your car with Bob Marley and 420 stickers. I mean, some people, you can just make safe assumptions about them and feel like they are totally correct
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Jul 10, 2015 23:14
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I guess it's like smoking weed is one thing, living the weed culture is another. I suppose I can get behind living the vape culture makes you a vapid oval office but I'm not going to assume anything about a person based on what they choose to smoke. Or drink for that matter, at some point you just stop caring what the gently caress people drink. I've never understood that one actually.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:23
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Idk what world you people are living in where e cigs are not stupid as hell. Just smoke a drat cigarette like a human being.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:41
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superh posted:Idk what world you people are living in where e cigs are not stupid as hell. California, anecdotally. I see them all the time.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:California, anecdotally. I see them all the time. Doesn't mean they aren't stupid as hell.
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superh posted:Idk what world you people are living in where e cigs are not stupid as hell. Just smoke a drat cigarette like a human being. We don’t enjoy all the freedoms you have in China, all right, where people smoke all the time—this is California.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:39
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Smoking a non-Jazz cigarette is actually punishable by a fine of no less than $500 or one year in jail in San Diego. You also stop being one of the cool kids and get banished to North Park where the underage emos sit on the sidewalk and smoke angrily at stuff.
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Jul 11, 2015 01:47
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superh posted:Idk what world you people are living in where e cigs are not stupid as hell. Just smoke a drat cigarette like a human being. One is significantly worse for you than the other I don't see what's hard to understand about that. I say this as a smoker of cigarettes.
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superh posted:Idk what world you people are living in where e cigs are not stupid as hell. Just smoke a drat cigarette like a human being. Yeah why are you idiots putting fireproof drywall in your house, just use asbestos.
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Jul 11, 2015 02:20
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BlindSite posted:Yeah why are you idiots putting fireproof drywall in your house, just use asbestos. Yeah, let's devolve this conversation about a TV show into a conversation about cigarettes. The thread the show deserves.
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Jul 11, 2015 02:23
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I was disappointed in the last episode to not give me more child-like insults. I had to be content with I pissed myself.
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:Yeah, let's devolve this conversation about a TV show into a conversation about cigarettes. This is child's play compared to last year's thread, friendo
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:Yeah, let's devolve this conversation about a TV show into a conversation about cigarettes. All forms of smoking are an oral fixation. Attacking ecigs as unnatural is exactly the type of antihomosexual rhetoric Pizzolatto was hoping to entice, to demonstrate that the refusal to acknowledge masculinity runs bone-deep in postmodern society. Bravo, I say.
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Tellah posted:S1 had a lot of overlapping sexual themes that really harmonized well. Ritualistic rape and murder were juxtaposed with casual exposure to sex trade that absolutely nobody seemed to care about (except only briefly, when Marty finds an underaged sex worker and.. gives her some money). The best defense of the sexual economy is a halfhearted effort to suggest that prostitution empowers women, but it's lampshaded by the fact that men are the ultimate financial beneficiaries anyway. Marty cheats on his wife, his kids are exposed to sexual violence at a very young age and eventually act out sexually, and Maggie eventually leverages her own sexual independence as a desperate resort culminate her marriage with Marty.
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unlimited shrimp posted:By the the time episode 10 finishes, there'll be more than enough fodder for any Death of the Author interpretation you want. Do you look at pictures of breasts and think "Well that can be any appendage on anyone's body! You never know!". That's a sound/orthodox analysis of the show; you're coming at his post like he's speaking gibberish.
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Everything about this season is extremely off-putting and I think that's why I like it?
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The first season is a tough act to follow, one of the best seasons of TV ever in my book. It just worked, and Marty and Rust complimented each other perfectly. It all felt very natural and was compelling to watch. Season two for me is a bit clunky in comparison, but I am enjoying it and am interested to see where it goes. The first episode felt pretty awkward getting the ball rolling, but by episode two I was feeling the characters more. The weirdest thing is how Ray gets away with savagely beating the dad of a kid at his son's school. His son who he drops off in person from time to time. I thought for sure he's going to be off the force or suspended because of this right? Or at least sued to oblivion? Is his ex hearing about it the only consequence they'll show? You'd think the dad of the kid who damaged some shoes would figure out which mustached cop savagely beat him, pretty serious crime easily linked to Ray there. Granted, that could happen later, but it feels like they already tried to address it with word of it traveling. The first season really knocked it out of the park for me. Here I think Pizzolatto is trying some things that aren't all working as seemingly effortlessly, and the new directors aren't handling it as well as the first guy. But it still has plenty of interest that will keep me watching. More hits than misses, and still plenty of episodes to go. pugnax posted:IIRC, the first season was definitely better out the gate than this season, but a lot of that comes from the subject matter (ritualistic serial killing), but the season really started to kick rear end at "The Secret Fate of All Life", which was the fifth episode. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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MoaM posted:Do you look at pictures of breasts and think "Well that can be any appendage on anyone's body! You never know!". That's a sound/orthodox analysis of the show; you're coming at his post like he's speaking gibberish. I think their post is great, but it also reads like something you could only write after the season was over and you've had time to digest it in its entirety. It's still too early in this season to pass judgement on its overarching themes.
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Are there going to be 10 episodes or something because I thought we only had to deal with 8 which is an infinity symbol turned upright makes you think.
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Tellah posted:This but unironically. She takes on a masculine role and serves to enforce that feminine masculinity is also undermined in the show's bizarro-universe.
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For the record, I'm finding Ani a bit dull so far, kind of a standard archetype at the moment. A pulpy crime fiction kind of thing for me could use a bit more personality from a lead detective character. Random note, that scene where she's browsing the escort site and loads up a sex video while ominous music plays... cheesiest scene in the show. She was doing a pretty mundane thing, not everything needs to be presented as dramatic. One more nitpick, I find it odd a rich guy like Caspere gets escorts from a cartoon character with "gently caress you" written on his gold teeth. But I guess a more realistic online escort agency without a dramatic boss and seedy locale for a scene wouldn't fit in the story. The bit where the camera hard drive is missing from the crime scene reminds me a lot of The Big Sleep novel, where a film plate is missing from the camera at the scene. Like the taboo back in 1939 was the nudey photos, here they're trying to make sex and even porn come across as very taboo, and it feels a little outdated to me. Just would find it a little less cheesy if it was presented more evenhandedly, but I can understand it's in a sort of throwback and extremely morose weird reality. One thing I'm really digging is the story with Frank, nice seeing a criminal side of things. In general I'm looking forward to how future seasons branch out on this crime genre material. One thing though that this season lacks is humor, which those detective characters often had in their sardonic narration. And the first season had some great humor oddly enough. Wonder if we'll ever see a more "light" True Detective season in some ways, or if it'll just keep topping itself in darkness. Either way, I'll be tuning in. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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E cigs let you get your nicotine fix in a satisfying way without the lovely feeling / odor / etc. from real cigarettes I don't know why this is so difficult to understand It's like someone saying "nah i'll take the suppository instead of the oral pill"
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