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Dalael posted:We tried hope, now its time to Bern everything America , America, America is on fire! We don't need no Hillary—Let the motherfucker Bern! Bern, motherfucker, Bern!
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Dalael posted:Bernie will raise Atlantis with a big cry of SOCIALISM! No, he won't. If Bernie gets elected he'll be a milquetoast center-right president stymied by an entrenched and obstructive Congress who will completely fail to live up to his campaign promises. See also: Obama, Barack; Clinton, Bill; and probably Clinton, Hillary.
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Cythereal posted:No, he won't. If Bernie gets elected he'll be a milquetoast center-right president stymied by an entrenched and obstructive Congress who will completely fail to live up to his campaign promises. See also: Obama, Barack; Clinton, Bill; and probably Clinton, Hillary. Are you European or something? Obama is not really center-right, Drones and all.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:04
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Nonsense posted:Are you European or something? Obama is not really center-right, Drones and all. Eh it's not like he's off into the weeds or anything, Obama is pretty solidly in the middle.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:06
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Cythereal posted:No, he won't. If Bernie gets elected he'll be a milquetoast center-right president stymied by an entrenched and obstructive Congress who will completely fail to live up to his campaign promises. See also: Obama, Barack; Clinton, Bill; and probably Clinton, Hillary. The sad thing is, you are most likely right about this. Unless there is a big grassroot movement behind him and/or politicians who think like him are elected, he will most likely not be able to get anything done. And he has said so from the start. I wish so very much that I could be smug on this one and try to bring up arguments against what you said, but the sad truth is that I can't. Its easy to denigrate presidents, and blame them for everything, but congress is what usually gently caress things up.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:06
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McDowell posted:^ Some people are not willing to forgive her vote for the Iraq War, I am one of them. What about Bernie Sanders for continuing the Iraq War?
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Jul 11, 2015 17:07
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Presidents don't have actual power they just distract from those that do.
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computer parts posted:What about Bernie Sanders for continuing the Iraq War? A. Was that even separate from the general DoD funding bill? B. Cutting the funding that also would have covered the expenses of withdrawing those troops is p counterproductive
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Jul 11, 2015 17:11
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Raskolnikov38 posted:A. Was that even separate from the general DoD funding bill? I wasn't aware that we were discussing withdrawing troops in 2004.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:15
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Dalael posted:Bernie will raise Atlantis with a big cry of SOCIALISM! The old man's hair became disheveled in the calm wind as he approached the edge of the cliff. This was the moment he'd waited for; this was the moment he'd spent forty years working for. The old man lifted his hands to his shoulders, outstretched, and began to shout, "I am talking about a war being waged by some of the wealthiest and most powerful people against working families, against the disappearing and shrinking middle class of our country. The billionaires of America are on the warpath. They want more and more and more." The crowd behind him began to shuffle restlessly. The man, uncowed, his hair disheveled as ever took a deep breath and began again, "We have a president right now who doesn't consider himself a socialist but people call him a socialist as an insult. Are you concerned at all about framing yourself as this?" He waved his hands, gesturing as though he were pushing on some invisible podium. "Not if we have the opportunity to describe what democratic socialism means. You have countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway which have had social democratic governments." For a moment a friend approached and offered him a comb for his windswept hair. The old man refused politely and began again, raising his voice, "In those countries, healthcare is a right for all people. Tuition is free. In those countries, governments are working for the middle class, rather than the billionaire class." With that, he paused. His hair remained motionless yet appeared to stand on end as though there were electricity in the air. The old man raised his voice and cried, "Socialism!" At once the seas parted and a great land began to rise. Rings of concentric waterways and places where massive cities had stood came into view. Truly, Bernie Sanders had become no mere man. He was a god. A smile broke on his weathered face as he'd seen what he'd done. His hair gusted in triumph. Great_Gerbil fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Dalael posted:Dude. Who cares about Atlantis. I brought up that guy's theory and that is the end of it. Read it or not, I don't give a poo poo. But telling me what I believe or don't believe in will get you nowhere in any sort of debate. I brought it up because it's evidence of a continued series of poor thinking, exhibited by you. Here's an example: your very next paragraph. You seem to be claiming that if Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, that all the banks will suddenly stop donating to the Democratic Party and further will revoke the money they already donated. Because that's the only way for Bernie to win nomination and not end up supported by the banks. Do you not understand that? Do you really not understand that taking the nomination means that the larger party is now supporting you? Raskolnikov38 posted:But being a neoliberal pretending to be left on the Internet and then being the worlds biggest loving pedant is so much more fun for him! You have a weird fanfiction going on, tank man.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Jeb! says Obummer uses too many liberal ivory tower big words and that's why our foreign policy stinks. quote:You don’t have to be the world’s policeman, but we have to be the world’s leader—and there’s a huge difference. This guy, this president and Secretary Clinton and Secretary Kerry. when someone disagrees with their nuanced approach—where it’s all kind of so sophisticated it makes no sense, you know what I’m saying? Big-syllable words and lots of fancy conferences and meetings—but we’re not leading, that creates chaos, it creates a more dangerous world. That simple enough for you Jeb? I kept everything three syllables and under. Seriously is Jeb just gonna try and ignore that the Iraq War happened? It seems like he is, but... it happened, and everyone remembers it. Of course, denying reality and making up your own version is a Republican pastime, it's how the Iraq War happened in the first place.
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Nonsense posted:Are you European or something? Obama is not really center-right, Drones and all. Okay, center-right by American standards.
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Great_Gerbil posted:The old man's hair became disheveled in the calm wind as he approached the edge of the cliff. This was the moment he'd waited for; this was the moment he'd spent forty years working for.  You sir, have warmed my heart.
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Joementum posted:Looks like Lindsey's having a good night. The morning after is always rough. This time at the Bedford, NH town dump. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Eh it's not like he's off into the weeds or anything, Obama is pretty solidly in the middle. But it's not unreasonable to say that Bernie would probably be to the left of Obama if elected. Obama's one thing, but it seems pretty weird to describe Bernie as center right in almost any context besides full Marxism. Obviously it's a moot point since Bernie will not be nominated or elected. Joementum posted:The morning after is always rough. This time at the Bedford, NH town dump. That woman seems way too positive and happy for Saturday morning at the dump can you even imagine meeting a presidential candidate when you're just on a trip to the dump. what a loving weird place to visit.
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Cythereal posted:Okay, center-right by American standards. He isn't, though.
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fade5 posted:"Don't invade Iraq, Syria, or Iran. Your brother invaded Iraq and broke it. This lead to ISIL. We are fixing this by bombing ISIL and helping the Kurds." I remember Jeb's brother's challenge to the terrorists: "Bring it on."
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Bob Ojeda posted:But it's not unreasonable to say that Bernie would probably be to the left of Obama if elected. Only assuming that Obama's been able to enact his policy to his ideal goals and Bernie will be able to do similarly. Suppose for a second that Obama is noticeably (but not majorly) farther to the left than his policy indicated, but he's unable to act on that because of outside factors (Congress, Public Opinion, whatever). Why wouldn't Bernie fall into that same trap?
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Nintendo Kid posted:I brought it up because it's evidence of a continued series of poor thinking, exhibited by you. No. That is your interpretation of what I said. They can keep on giving to the democractic party. Bernie cannot stop that. He can't force other democrats to stop accepting their money. But HE will not be taking their donation and HE will not accept a SuperPac. Remember that Bernie CANNOT run as an independant. He has no choice but to run for either party and that is the reason he does so. And while the rest of the party can take whatever money is being thrown at them, he does not have to. That is what I meant. But sure, keep on going on and making broad assumption and/or being deliberately obtuse.
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1) first woman president 2) super piss off Republicans 3) expose misogyny 4) been under personal attack along with her family for 35 years, she will want revenge and do everything she can to destroy the Republicans 5) vince foster had to go, and she has the balls to do it
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computer parts posted:What about Bernie Sanders for continuing the Iraq War? Hillary voted (in hindsight) to invade Iraq on a false pretense, overthrow its leader, neuter its government, dismantle its security forces and trigger a civil war. Bernie voted against abandoning the country when it was in that condition. They're not remotely comparable.
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According to the Trump campaign, over 9,000 tickets have been given out for today's event in Arizona.
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Whiskey Sours posted:Hillary voted (in hindsight) to invade Iraq on a false pretense, overthrow its leader, neuter its government, dismantle its security forces and trigger a civil war. Hillary voted for a chance of a good outcome. Bernie Sanders voted to continue a known bad outcome, one that he even campaigned against earlier. Bernie Sanders is a flip-flopper, and not even in a good direction.
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computer parts posted:Hillary voted for a chance of a good outcome. Bernie Sanders voted to continue a known bad outcome, one that he even campaigned against earlier. Bernie Sanders is a flip-flopper, and not even in a good direction. Yeah.. Lets invade a country, gently caress it up real good and then leave thinking no harm was done. And gently caress anyone who thinks maybe there's a responsability to rebuild and fix the mess that has been made. In other words: If you invade a country, deal with the consequence.
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Dalael posted:Yeah.. Lets invade a country, gently caress it up real good and then leave thinking no harm was done. And gently caress anyone who thinks maybe there's a responsability to rebuild and fix the mess that has been made. Congrats on literally spouting Bush era apologisms for the Iraq War.
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computer parts posted:I wasn't aware that we were discussing withdrawing troops in 2004. Oh goddamnit I've digging up stuff on the 2007 attempt (which Bernie supported FYI). E: actually why don't you post whatever funding bill you're harping about because I found him voting against funding in 2005 Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 11, 2015 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Jeb! says Obummer uses too many liberal ivory tower big words and that's why our foreign policy stinks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAO4YHBpPyU
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computer parts posted:Only assuming that Obama's been able to enact his policy to his ideal goals and Bernie will be able to do similarly. This is my feeling on Bernie. I suspect Obama's closer to campaign Obama than president Obama, and that he's probably on the whole about as left as Bernie is, if perhaps with different focuses. But I can't see president Bernie being any closer to campaign Bernie than Obama was. A further notch or two to the left, maybe, but a general centrist at the most generous analysis. Bernie sounds nice in theory, but I have far more faith in Hillary's ability to get anything substantial done.
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Joementum posted:According to the Trump campaign, over 9,000 tickets have been given out for today's event in Arizona. Karl Rove has verified this?
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Joementum posted:According to the Trump campaign, over 9,000 tickets have been given out for today's event in Arizona. Wait till we find out Ted Cruz bought them all.
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Cythereal posted:Bernie sounds nice in theory, but I have far more faith in Hillary's ability to get anything substantial done. I do not understand why anyone thinks this. If there is anyone the republicans would hate more than a dude who calls himself a socialist, it'd be a Clinton. Unless the democrats take the house, I really don't think there would be a drat bit of difference in what gets done regardless of who is in the White House.
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Cubey posted:I do not understand why anyone thinks this. If there is anyone the republicans would hate more than a dude who calls himself a socialist, it'd be a Clinton. Unless the democrats take the house, I really don't think there would be a drat bit of difference in what gets done regardless of who is in the White House. Even given this I have more faith that Democratic congresspeople will continue the party's agenda insofar as they can with or without President HR Clinton. Some of the particularly spiteful ones might even show some bipartisanship.
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Jul 11, 2015 17:44
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computer parts posted:What about Bernie Sanders for continuing the Iraq War? Voting 'yes' or 'no' to military action against Iraq is different from voting to fund continuing military operations. HTH
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Cubey posted:I do not understand why anyone thinks this. If there is anyone the republicans would hate more than a dude who calls himself a socialist, it'd be a Clinton. Unless the democrats take the house, I really don't think there would be a drat bit of difference in what gets done regardless of who is in the White House. I think Hillary is a cannier politician in Washington than Bernie, and would be more capable when dealing with Congress. The right wing is going to say no shut the gently caress up you impostor president no matter who wins the election between Bernie and Hillary, and I think Hillary will be better at dealing with that.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yes, people who understand politics beyond an elementary school level consider "can this person actually win" a very important thing, especially in a first past the post country, and especially when there's a single specific slot up for vote. Sorry this hurts your feelings or something? Since you understand politics beyond an elementary school level, how do you account for the times in our recent history in which the Democratic party went with the centrist "electable" candidate over the candidate that generated some enthusiasm on the left only to have that "electable" candidate lose the general election? Have you not considered this whole Third Way centrist line from the Bill Clinton presidency doesn't actually have a very good track record of protecting the presidency from the GOP? What specifically makes Hillary more electable in the general than Bernie? You seem pretty adamant about this. Just name a few things.
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Trump now claims that 15,000 people will attend today's event. Those last 6,000 tickets went fast!
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McDowell posted:Voting 'yes' or 'no' to military action against Iraq is different from voting to fund continuing military operations. HTH Hell I've found a bill increasing Iraq war funding that he voted against that I think he should have voted for because disaster aid for the 2004 tsunami victims was bundled with it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/1268/actions
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MrPants posted:What specifically makes Hillary more electable in the general than Bernie? You seem pretty adamant about this. Just name a few things. Her popularity with Democrats, ideological alignment with the party, support from elected Democrats, ability to fundraise, and campaign experience.
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Trump's business skills are slacking. Giving the tickets away shows that no one would buy them. Checkmate, trumpailures.  (We need a Trump Smug smiley)
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