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Despite their differences in setting and time period, one of my favourite films ever "The Man Who Would Be King" always remind me of the prime directive cautionary tales that TNG did so well (and often)
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chaosbreather posted:replicators don't make poo poo for free. they are connected to a matter feed that contains statistically average goop that it selects and patterns, like lego, assembling them in a virtual four dimensional space that it splurps back down to threespace when its done. there's a bunch of carbon chains in there for organic poo poo, some metals, water, pretty all the poo poo you need. you recycle your dishes or your feces and it converts it right back to that easy midpoint. it can't e=mc2 that poo poo because you'd use up the entire antimatter stores just replicating breakfast I like this concept but it still doesn't explain why freighters ever haul finished goods to places with replicator facilities.
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Jul 13, 2015 20:08
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Luigi Thirty posted:this was one of the elements of the original pitch. the future is a utopia, but there are some people who just don't fit there and want more than just a boring existence where everything is provided for you, which some people see as madness. That's where starfleet people come from. Kirk was mentally deranged.  Just another day on the NCC-1701! 
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Jul 13, 2015 20:25
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I hope the Star Trek: Uncharted guy does well 
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Jul 13, 2015 20:38
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Wrt Star Trek economy I think many people underestimate the effect that not having poverty would have on society. Right now people work because they have to in order to buy food and shelter as well as provide for their family. Business owners take advantage of this necessity to enhance their own wealth while their workers merely get by. But if there was no poverty then they couldn't be taken advantage of in this way. There would be no reason for that kind of system to exist. You could still work to gain advantage but you'd have to do so by actually being useful.
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Jul 13, 2015 22:53
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chaosbreather posted:replicators don't make poo poo for free. they are connected to a matter feed that contains statistically average goop that it selects and patterns, like lego, assembling them in a virtual four dimensional space that it splurps back down to threespace when its done. there's a bunch of carbon chains in there for organic poo poo, some metals, water, pretty all the poo poo you need. you recycle your dishes or your feces and it converts it right back to that easy midpoint. it can't e=mc2 that poo poo because you'd use up the entire antimatter stores just replicating breakfast Also WRT replicators, I understand that the computers can make something by analyzing it and breaking it down, but it doesn't do it necessarily well. You might be able to order a plate of space lasagna, but it will still taste like lasagna from Spaghetti Factory or some bullshit chain restaurant. You need to make it yourself if you want it to taste good. That's why art and culture are still actively practiced in the Federation; they're things that computers still can't quite understand. It goes back to the constant "wanna be a real boy" theme that every series has covered to a greater or lesser extent.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:03
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Huge Lady Pleaser posted:Wrt Star Trek economy I think many people underestimate the effect that not having poverty would have on society. Right now people work because they have to in order to buy food and shelter as well as provide for their family. Business owners take advantage of this necessity to enhance their own wealth while their workers merely get by. But if there was no poverty then they couldn't be taken advantage of in this way. There would be no reason for that kind of system to exist. You could still work to gain advantage but you'd have to do so by actually being useful. Right, and mostly those advantages will be getting access to stuff that helps your work. If you are a successful scientist you get access to a fancy lab. 7of9's parents got use of a small science vessel so they could observe the Borg.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:10
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Huge Lady Pleaser posted:Wrt Star Trek economy I think many people underestimate the effect that not having poverty would have on society. Right now people work because they have to in order to buy food and shelter as well as provide for their family. Business owners take advantage of this necessity to enhance their own wealth while their workers merely get by. But if there was no poverty then they couldn't be taken advantage of in this way. There would be no reason for that kind of system to exist. You could still work to gain advantage but you'd have to do so by actually being useful. It would also have a profound effect on the prestige of mundane jobs and people's willingness to work them as well. Today nobody wants to be, say, a maintenance man. It's a low prestige position that is easily replaced, but there are bills to pay so people take the job. But a holo deck repairman could be a very well regarded individual. Even if the work we easy the fact is you don't have to be there and people would know it. The maintenance man of today has no choice, he needs to provide for himself and his family so he is going to work. But holo dock repairman could gently caress off at any time with essentially no repercussions or threats to his livelihood. People would be grateful for this and respect and thank him for his work because he's doing it even though he has no obligation or need to.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:12
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Chomp8645 posted:It would also have a profound effect on the prestige of mundane jobs and people's willingness to work them as well. Today nobody wants to be, say, a maintenance man. It's a low prestige position that is easily replaced, but there are bills to pay so people take the job. But a holo deck repairman could be a very well regarded individual. Even if the work we easy the fact is you don't have to be there and people would know it. The maintenance man of today has no choice, he needs to provide for himself and his family so he is going to work. But holo dock repairman could gently caress off at any time with essentially no repercussions or threats to his livelihood. People would be grateful for this and respect and thank him for his work because he's doing it even though he has no obligation or need to. I'd repair your holodeck
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Jul 13, 2015 23:14
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Lil Peeler posted:Also WRT replicators, I understand that the computers can make something by analyzing it and breaking it down, but it doesn't do it necessarily well. You might be able to order a plate of space lasagna, but it will still taste like lasagna from Spaghetti Factory or some bullshit chain restaurant. You need to make it yourself if you want it to taste good. That's why art and culture are still actively practiced in the Federation; they're things that computers still can't quite understand. It goes back to the constant "wanna be a real boy" theme that every series has covered to a greater or lesser extent. A lot of medical stuff seems to be beyond the replicators too. Many times a doctor is going to synthesize a psionic inhibitor or bio-mimetic gel or whatever and it won't be ready until tomorrow.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:14
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Is it because psionic inhibitors and bio mimetic gels have chemicals in them? Moving parts? It doesn't work that way?
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Jul 13, 2015 23:19
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chaosbreather posted:the universal translator not doing klingon is easy. it doesn't translate borrowed words. sometimes poo poo isn't totally translatable or another language has a better word for it anyway, like shadenfreude or champagne so you just use that. "Success!" loses the bloodlust of "Qapla'!" in weak sibilance and everyone knows it anyway so it doesn't need to translate it Google Translate doesn't work that way.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:19
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Lil Peeler posted:Also WRT replicators, I understand that the computers can make something by analyzing it and breaking it down, but it doesn't do it necessarily well. You might be able to order a plate of space lasagna, but it will still taste like lasagna from Spaghetti Factory or some bullshit chain restaurant. You need to make it yourself if you want it to taste good. That's why art and culture are still actively practiced in the Federation; they're things that computers still can't quite understand. It goes back to the constant "wanna be a real boy" theme that every series has covered to a greater or lesser extent. But I think you could spend an equal amount of time learning how to "cook" with a replicator, constantly analyzing and refining your "recipe" by changing the program. You wouldn't have to rely on the computer to generate it for you necessarily.
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Jul 14, 2015 00:45
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Lil Peeler posted:I'd repair your holodeck 
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Jul 14, 2015 01:38
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Yeah the trick with replicators is that you lose a lot of nuance. They sort of paint by numbers, this section is this protein combination, this section is water with this pattern. So yeah, you can have way better recipes for items than others, but they'll use a lot more power because they gotta do way more work. Yaos posted:Google Translate doesn't work that way. 
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Jul 14, 2015 02:23
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Didn't they replicate Worf a whole new spinal column and all they had to do to slap it in there was put on a funny hat
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Jul 14, 2015 02:24
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chaosbreather posted:Yeah the trick with replicators is that you lose a lot of nuance. They sort of paint by numbers, this section is this protein combination, this section is water with this pattern. So yeah, you can have way better recipes for items than others, but they'll use a lot more power because they gotta do way more work. Rendezvous is a word in English. Qapla' is not a word in English.
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Jul 14, 2015 04:08
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Yaos posted:Rendezvous is a word in English. Qapla' is not a word in English. Actually.
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Jul 14, 2015 04:15
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Yaos posted:Rendezvous is a word in English. Qapla' is not a word in English. rendezvous is very much a french word that we borrow, same as qapla. we could say 'meet up' but it doesn't have the same overtones so we borrow a better word from someone else and use it and don't translate it english has a ton of borrowed words, especially from our enemies, the french, the germans and the japanese ww2 gave us 'blitzkreig' and 'kamikaze', do you honestly believe that during a decades long war we would get no borrowed words at all? is it because you're retarded?
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Jul 14, 2015 04:29
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Badda-Bing Badda-Bang is the greatest episode of Star Trek, followed closely by Court Martial.
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Jul 14, 2015 05:08
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Start Trek pooping logistics update: in this episode of Voyager, a systems failure has Neelix worried about the fact that the whole ship only has four working lavatories.
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Jul 14, 2015 05:52
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Neelix is probably the type of rear end in a top hat to clog the shitter and walk away.
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GrumpyDoctor posted:Start Trek pooping logistics update: in this episode of Voyager, a systems failure has Neelix worried about the fact that the whole ship only has four working lavatories. Neelix was referring to the toilets being sufficiently 'cruisy' for his his liking, not for being capable of conveying waste.
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Jul 14, 2015 06:22
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shadow puppet of a posted:I think more than colonizing and terraforming you'd have a serious problem of the Ferengi Holy Sages scenario playing out a million times. Once you get sick of having everything among everyone, a great change of pace would be having some things where everyone else has nothing. Show up with a hundred year power supply, a replicator and a gun and install yourself as king and direct an entire planet to your bidding. (As with the Sages' mine too would involve lots of underboob) The only concern with this is, the only time I've seen it happen, loving Neelix showed up. Do you really want to risk attracting a Neelix to your giant sex orgy planet?
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Jul 14, 2015 06:25
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Moridin920 posted:the colonists who romanticize not having any tech and going out to scratch out an existence on a world that could kill them with some exotic infection at any moment are the real nutters Amish and doomsday preppers still exist in the future.
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Jul 14, 2015 09:48
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chaosbreather posted:rendezvous is very much a french word that we borrow, same as qapla. we could say 'meet up' but it doesn't have the same overtones so we borrow a better word from someone else and use it and don't translate it We could say "Intercept" but it just isn't as romantic.
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Jul 14, 2015 10:49
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Met posted:We could say "Intercept" but it just isn't as romantic. nah, intercept is not mutually cooperative. you intercept a missile, you rendezvous with the mothership. you can use "meet up" but that is way more casual than it needs to be sometimes
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Jul 14, 2015 11:11
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Lil Peeler posted:Is it because psionic inhibitors and bio mimetic gels have chemicals in them? Moving parts? It doesn't work that way? And yet Odo could still disguise himself as a pack of cigarettes.
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Jul 14, 2015 12:13
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Pneub posted:And yet Odo could still disguise himself as a pack of cigarettes. Not as good as the shapeshifter who became loving mist. Like what happens if you breathe in all the mist? Does he live in your lungs?
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Jul 14, 2015 16:49
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Yaos posted:Rendezvous is a word in English. Qapla' is not a word in English. Your foolishness on display to the world gives me that feeling where you're happy at someone else's misfortune. You know, schadenfreude.
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Jul 14, 2015 17:07
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The idea of alien loanwords in the english language is preposterous. Future people speak the same language that we do today without modification.
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Jul 14, 2015 17:18
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GrumpyDoctor posted:Start Trek pooping logistics update: in this episode of Voyager, a systems failure has Neelix worried about the fact that the whole ship only has four working lavatories. i'm always way too amused at the references to bolians constantly wrecking toilets/bathrooms with their power shits
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Jul 14, 2015 17:23
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Yaos posted:Rendezvous is a word in English. Qapla' is not a word in English. lol
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Jul 14, 2015 17:54
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Kitchner posted:Not as good as the shapeshifter who became loving mist. Did you see that episode of True Blood where the shapeshifter turned into a fly and flew into someone's mouth and then turned back into a human? That happens.
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Jul 14, 2015 18:58
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that's bullshit. where does all the mass go? and if it just becomes a super dense fly then it shouldn't be able to fly on those tiny wings.
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Jul 14, 2015 19:04
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True Blood is a show about magic people and the magical things they do.
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Jul 14, 2015 19:42
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Pththya-lyi posted:Your foolishness on display to the world gives me that feeling where you're happy at someone else's misfortune. You know, schadenfreude. The fact that you think Klingon is a real language is absolutely hilarious. You should think about that before you embarrass yourself any further.
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Jul 14, 2015 19:45
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Yaos posted:The fact that you think Klingon is a real language is absolutely hilarious. You should think about that before you embarrass yourself any further. bro you don't even know what loan words are
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Jul 14, 2015 19:50
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Mr. Pumroy posted:that's bullshit. where does all the mass go? hammerspace
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Yaos posted:The fact that you think Klingon is a real language is absolutely hilarious. You should think about that before you embarrass yourself any further. If I were in your position I'd ixnay the judgement of cromulent languages from which loan words come.
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