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Jul 16, 2015 16:05
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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:I finally got around to watching Walker's bid. Reprehensible politics aside, he's an awful public speaker. He's basically "Generic Republican" that always polls higher than actual humans with flaws, political positions, and performance records since he hasn't gotten a lot of national publicity yet. He has the added bonus of beating Democrats three times due to lovely Democrat tactics. Once his face starts getting out there I expect his support to rapidly fall off unless he becomes the establishment Romney figure if Jeb sinks.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:06
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greatn posted:When somebody is probably going to be president, you invite them to your wedding. It's called working the system and I'm the best there is. Luckily for us she never became president. So listen up liberals cause I'll only ever say it once, thanks Obama. I can easily see him saying every word of this.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:08
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Radish posted:He's basically "Generic Republican" that always polls higher than actual humans with flaws, political positions, and performance records since he hasn't gotten a lot of national publicity yet. He has the added bonus of beating Democrats three times due to lovely Democrat tactics. Once his face starts getting out there I expect his support to rapidly fall off unless he becomes the establishment Romney figure if Jeb sinks. I guess his support falling off would be fitting, since that's what it seems like his face is doing as well. Dude looks like someone took a lighter to a GI Joe.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:10
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Trevor Hale posted:Why does it seem like Trump's Twitter feed is written by the same guys who tweet for the Iron Sheik? Just throw in a random "jabroni" every so often.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:10
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The Nastier Nate posted:Trump has the unique superpower of being impervious to scandal that would otherwise ruin a regular run-of-the-mill politician. Imagine if Chris Christie invited the Clinton's to his wedding. I have no idea what kind of scandal or gaffe could derail the Trump engine at this point. I think, with Trump, the basic fact of Donald Trump being a candidate is so loving ridiculous that once you've accepted that, you can accept just about anything else.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:11
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HappyHippo posted:I can easily see him saying every word of this. I had all my guests stay in Trump hotels, and my restaurants cater at cost. I'm probably the only Billionaire who ever made a profit off his wedding.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:15
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Morrow posted:No no no This, unironically is something Trump would be thrilled with, because at the end of the day the cost in taxes to pay for UHC is a fraction of the cost of what he pays for his employee's health care costs. After all is said and done, Trump is a businessman.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:16
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I have no doubt that the Donald manages his own Twitter account. There's just no way he could get an intern to channel his crazy over social media like that.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:17
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JT Jag posted:The go-to calling card for conservatives has always been to accuse their opponents of the thing they themselves are guilty of/the literal opposite of what their opponents actually do, so accusing the relatively populist candidate (relatively, mind, I know Obama wasn't a real populist, but remember this was 2009 before everyone knew how center-right Obama really was) of being "elitist" is typical. Populist doesn't mean leftist, and Obama isn't center-right either on an American scale or a European one. The only thing required to be a "real populist" is the ability to get a movement behind you - that's it. Hitler was also populist, as was fuckin' Bill Clinton.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:19
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:MEANWHILE Hahahahahah oh my god Donald 'Mexicans are rapists; China stole our jobs; just bomb the ISIS oil fields" Trump is being attacked as too liberal. This is it GOP. This is rock bottom. This is where you wake up, look in the mirror, and start asking yourself where it all went wrong.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:28
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Walker has one more thing going for him now - he's so innocent the judge ordered all evidence in the case permanently destroyed. Not that money creates corruption or even the appearance of corruption, but: quote:Primarily, the very outside political groups accused of coordinating with Walker’s campaign — including Club for Growth, Citizens for a Strong America and Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce — spent millions to help the conservative justices win their seats on the court.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:32
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Carrasco posted:Walker has one more thing going for him now - he's so innocent the judge ordered all evidence in the case permanently destroyed. Judicial elections are the stupidest loving thing
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Jul 16, 2015 16:34
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Carrasco posted:Walker has one more thing going for him now - he's so innocent the judge ordered all evidence in the case permanently destroyed. Wisconsin's SC is insanely corrupted and it's incredibly sad.  Don't forget one of the justices literally tried to choke out another justice a few years ago. Guess the political affiliations involved!
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Jul 16, 2015 16:38
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Alright, so I am gonna be the guy who throws cold water on our delieriously fun circle jerk of Trump: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/two-good-reasons-not-to-take-the-donald-trump-surge-seriously/ (actually Nate is, but...)
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Jul 16, 2015 16:39
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Judicial elections are the stupidest loving thing While I don't disagree with you, politically appointed judges come with their own set of different, yet equally serious problems. Where I live, the system is a little bit better because while judges have to run for a partisan label on their first go-around, after that they are put on the ballot for "retention" every 10 years with no political party attached, and it's very rare that judges don't get retained.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:41
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Alright, so I am gonna be the guy who throws cold water on our delieriously fun circle jerk of Trump: I read this and I'm still not sure how Nate stops the Trump train. I mean, their best hope right now is that Trump gets bored with this and goes back to his yooge, luxurious penthouse and his TEN BILLION DOLLARS because he doesn't actually want to be President.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:45
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Carrasco posted:Trump is the human incarnation of the GOP's dillemma with their base, especially in that this is ultimately all their fault. And the best part is the GOP seems to have no clue that their base will vote for them no matter what. Their base is old cranks that would crawl over broken glass to vote against a Socialisnazidemocrat, ESPECIALLY A WOMAN, and they're acting like if they don't act juuuuuuust right they'll lose that vote. There's a running joke in the Freep thread of "*votes straight ticket Republican*" after each and every "I'm never votin' fer them Republicants agin!!!" post and it's pretty drat true. Until there's a legit Nazi party (that calls itself something else) you're going to have that vote sewn up.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:50
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Alright, so I am gonna be the guy who throws cold water on our delieriously fun circle jerk of Trump: This doesn't address his favorability swing at all.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:54
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Alright, so I am gonna be the guy who throws cold water on our delieriously fun circle jerk of Trump: Yeah all I'm getting out of that article is that his perceived conservativeness is fairly average? But it's still better than Bush's, so I don't see how that's some sort of showstopper. It also repeats the line that Trump's only popular because of name recognition and that he has no more room to expand, but people said the same thing before Trump's upswing and they have no explanation for that
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Jul 16, 2015 17:04
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This all has to make the assumption that Trump doesn't want to be POTUS though. What if he's serious?
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Jul 16, 2015 17:05
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icantfindaname posted:Yeah all I'm getting out of that article is that his perceived conservativeness is fairly average? But it's still better than Bush's, so I don't see how that's some sort of showstopper. It also repeats the line that Trump's only popular because of name recognition and that he has no more room to expand, but people said the same thing before Trump's upswing and they have no explanation for that The generic 'hook' to most of 538's articles boils down to 'don't get your hopes up, liberals.' They seem to have applied that to the Trump campaign without actually justifying their point very well. (My sole criterion for Trump's campaign being a success is him getting into one debate. That's it.)
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Jul 16, 2015 17:07
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Brannock posted:Don't forget one of the justices literally tried to choke out another justice a few years ago. Guess the political affiliations involved! This needs to be repeated over and over. A man at the pinnacle of the justice system in the state strangled a coworker.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:11
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Thump! posted:This all has to make the assumption that Trump doesn't want to be POTUS though. Personally, I think anyone who doesn't think Trump wants to be president is seriously underestimating his ego (hard as that might be to do). His chance of getting the nomination is slightly less then Bernies, and his chance of winning the presidency is slightly less then mine, but he wants it. What a feather in his cap!
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Jul 16, 2015 17:15
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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:This needs to be repeated over and over. Sounds like Scalia finally has a worthy replacement then 
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Jul 16, 2015 17:27
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Gravel Gravy posted:McCain became fair game when he back slided on all of those issues that made him a GOP maverick just to get the GOP nomination. And since then has gone from being victimized by his VP to an angry old man with an axe to grind against Obama, going so far as to do all but endorse a terrorist group in the middle east just to criticize his foreign policy. My favorite part was when McCain said "well I'd like to close Gitmo, but the practical realities make it pretty much impossible to promise" and the left tore him to pieces. Which is exactly what happened, only with a day one Obama presser declaring it closed, complete with giant scissors uncutting a giant ribbon, only later realizing that McCain was actually right and downplaying it for the remaining 7 years.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:41
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Re: Trump's Financial StatementTrump posted:“For instance, they have boxes once a certain number is reached that simply state $50 million or more. Many of these boxes have been checked. As an example, if a building owned by Mr. Trump is worth $1.5 billion, the box checked is ‘$50,000,000 or more.’” Has anyone torn his financial disclosure yet because I'm really having trouble with this. Why would Donald Trump personally own a building for $1.5 billion dollars instead of an LLC? Why would he personally book $360M+ in personal income from companies he controls when there are much more favorable tax advantages to leaving them in entities that he controls? And even then why on earth would he book the income personally when it makes much more sense to keep it in a trust that he controls for inheritance purposes? I'm reminded of an article that I can't find now that talked in length about how he treats real estate, like repeatedly stating that he owned and developed Trump Tower when it was in fact owned and developed by GE and he only served in a marketing capacity with ownership only of his penthouse and a stake in one restaurant on property, or that he claimed to own buildings sold off as condos. One of the best examples was he claimed to own a huge stake in The Empire State Building but the way the deal was structured his ownership was completely worthless because there was something like a 100 year+ lease on the entire building that generated almost no revenue for his portion of ownership nor was there any guarantee of it every generating a profit for him even 100 years down the road because of the way the deal was structured. edit: I think the best way I can think of how Donald Trump handles real estate is say you owned a Co-op, you might own a fairly significant chunk of the corporation that owns a very expensive building but the only thing that gets you is the right to rent an apartment in the building for a nominal fee and the restrictions of selling your Co-Op stock makes it's market value much, much, much less than the technical value of owning a large chunk of a company that owns a very expensive building. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jul 16, 2015 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:My favorite part was when McCain said "well I'd like to close Gitmo, but the practical realities make it pretty much impossible to promise" and the left tore him to pieces. Hmmm well I'm sure the GOP didn't unnecessarily and stupidly block detainee transfers to other facilities preventing gitmo from being closed!
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Jul 16, 2015 17:42
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Hmmm well I'm sure the GOP didn't unnecessarily and stupidly block detainee transfers to other facilities preventing gitmo from being closed! American prisons that house nonviolent drug offenders, mass murderers, and cannibals are far too pure to house
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Jul 16, 2015 17:44
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It's possible that his ability to channel the raging id of the Republican party gives Trump staying power, but it's also possible that The Base is going to do the whole "is there anyone besides (Boring Establishment White Guy) with a chance? Anyone?" thing from 2012 and Trump is just first in line. Most people making predictions about this stuff end up looking silly later.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:45
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:John's first wife was crippled and dying of a terminal disease. He left her in a hot minute for his current wife. Yes and Obama was in a car crash where the passenger drowned and ran off.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:47
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes and Obama was in a car crash where the passenger drowned and ran off. Or maybe they didn't drown and decided to start posting. Edit: Coming 2016 "I Know What You Did Last Election"
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Hahahahahah oh my god Donald 'Mexicans are rapists; China stole our jobs; just bomb the ISIS oil fields" Trump is being attacked as too liberal. This is it GOP. This is rock bottom. This is where you wake up, look in the mirror, and start asking yourself where it all went wrong. TBF "too liberal" and "not actually a Republican" are slightly different things.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes and Obama was in a car crash where the passenger drowned and ran off. In that order?
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Jul 16, 2015 17:50
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I don't really see how you can respond to Trump if you're Walker/Rubio/Bush and come out ahead. You can't repudiate him for going off-script because you'll look like you're criticizing the base, and you can't try to beat him at his own game. The only thing they can do is just ignore him and hope he goes away. I think if Trump wants to do it there's no real obstacle to him running as a third party and getting 10 or 15 percent of the vote, because the rest of the GOP can't attack him
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icantfindaname posted:I don't really see how you can respond to Trump if you're Walker/Rubio/Bush and come out ahead. You can't repudiate him for going off-script because you'll look like you're criticizing the base, and you can't try to beat him at his own game. The only thing they can do is just ignore him and hope he goes away. I think if Trump wants to do it there's no real obstacle to him running as a third party and getting 10 or 15 percent of the vote, because the rest of the GOP can't attack him Didn't work with Obama and the birth certificate though.
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Three Olives posted:Re: Trump's Financial Statement So it's basically like me saying I'm a billionaire because I own a few stocks in Google.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Hmmm well I'm sure the GOP didn't unnecessarily and stupidly block detainee transfers to other facilities preventing gitmo from being closed! But even that would have been a violation of the spirit of Obama's campaign message, which was that indefinite detention without legal recourse is wrong, so try the gitmo prisoners, let them go, or ship them to a different country. Creating "Gitmo, Nebraska" is a shell game.
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