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I'm using two hard drives paired in Windows Storage Spaces for storage. My SSD (the OS drive) went out on me and I just replaced it and got Windows installed. When I got to Manage Storage Spaces they both have the message "Unrecognized configuration; reset drive" and obviously I don't want to lose the data so I haven't yet reset them. Dropping to PowerShell and running get-physicaldisk | fl * they both show OperationalStatus of Unrecognized Metadata. I'm assuming that this metadata was on my last SSD. Am I screwed on this without paying $300 for ReclaiMe?
Dr. Poz fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 02:09
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Nah, pool metadata should stored redundantly across the Storage Spaces drives. Why it messes up, no idea.
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Jul 19, 2015 12:12
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I'm a dumb. When I created the storage pool I was on Windows 8.1 and hadn't upgraded to it yet yesterday when I noticed the issue. After updating everything is back and intact!
Dr. Poz fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 21:52
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So... got woken up to a loud beeping coming from my Synology. Looks like one drive is in a "crashed" state but the SMART test passes as normal. The Raw_Read_Error_Rate is 172 but that doesn't seem to terrible. Rest of the stats look fine. Anyone have a guess why my NAS is trying to flag the drive as bad but SMART is "healthy?" I guess it is the Multi Zone Error Rate? Pretty strange that SMART says its healthy though. I have backups, just trying to figure out if it should be RMAed and restore from backups.
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Jul 22, 2015 01:28
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I would never keep a drive that errored
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Jul 22, 2015 03:18
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Internet Explorer posted:So... got woken up to a loud beeping coming from my Synology. Looks like one drive is in a "crashed" state but the SMART test passes as normal. The Raw_Read_Error_Rate is 172 but that doesn't seem to terrible. Rest of the stats look fine. Anyone have a guess why my NAS is trying to flag the drive as bad but SMART is "healthy?" Does your disk have TLER? Maybe it got an error and was busy trying to correct it for too long and it got dropped?
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Jul 22, 2015 04:30
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I'm ready to buy a NAS box. For home storage mainly (backing up wife's computer, storage of files, etc) might stream some Plex but that's not a top priority. I have 4x3 TB drives ready to roll. Eyeballing a synology. What's the best 4 bay device of their current offering?
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Jul 22, 2015 13:20
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Walked posted:I'm ready to buy a NAS box. The DS415+ and DS415play depending on your needs, though the DS415play places a higher priority on media streaming. They're scored highly in reviews.
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Jul 22, 2015 13:58
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Can you just remove your WD My World HDDs and put them in a Synology right away?
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Jul 22, 2015 14:04
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ufarn posted:Can you just remove your WD My World HDDs and put them in a Synology right away? As long as you dont care about them being erased.
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Jul 22, 2015 14:42
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Don Lapre posted:As long as you dont care about them being erased.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:05
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ufarn posted:Bummer. There has to be some way of migrating. Yep. Copy your data to an external source like a backup hard drive and then migrate your disks over, then copy your data over to the new NAS. That's about the only way this is going to work.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:44
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Nulldevice posted:Yep. Copy your data to an external source like a backup hard drive and then migrate your disks over, then copy your data over to the new NAS. That's about the only way this is going to work. My World is giving me a ton of access grief, so if I can access the drive directly, that would be great. Since they're two drives in RAID0, can I just pull them out, format one, and transfer the other, and then format that too? Then I can just put them in the Synology one at a time.
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Jul 22, 2015 18:48
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ufarn posted:Can you do this from the drives alone, or do they need to be connected to/in the NAS? If they're in raid0 they must both remain in the NAS at all times during the data copy. I don't know if you can hook the external up to the myworld or not so you'll have to look into that (also be aware of what file system the myworld formats the external as for the data transfer, this could make the difference between hooking the external directly to the synology as I'm not sure what formats the synology can mount). You could hook the external up to your PC and copy the data through the PC to the external that way, then once you've copied everything over you would verify everything is there, then remove the disks from the myworld, then place them in the synology, then perform the initialization/format procedure in the synology and then you could possibly hook the external up directly to the synology and copy the data to the new system. Speeds may vary but it should work. Anyone correct me if I've got this wrong.
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Jul 22, 2015 19:00
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Finally bought a Lenovo TS440. It's the 4 slot one for 300 bucks (plus cost of HD caddies). I figure expansion will come later. I'm just looking to replace my ReadyNAS since that Atom processor is killing me. Deal is on Tiger Direct at the moment.
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Jul 22, 2015 21:32
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I have a Synology DS214se, I'm trying to connect to it from work using OSX "connect to a server" but it just won't work. I've tried username.synology.me, username.synology.me:5000, username.synology.me50005, quickconnect.to/username, IP every variation of every protocol etc. I get a variety of error messages but this is the most occurring: While I'm at home on the same network I can connect no problem. I've tried running the "Router Configuration > Setup Router" tool but when I do I get this:  Where am I going wrong?
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Jul 23, 2015 15:50
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Gibfender posted:I have a Synology DS214se, I'm trying to connect to it from work using OSX "connect to a server" but it just won't work. I've tried username.synology.me, username.synology.me:5000, username.synology.me50005, quickconnect.to/username, IP every variation of every protocol etc. I get a variety of error messages but this is the most occurring: do afp://sharename or smb://sharename
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Jul 23, 2015 15:58
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Don Lapre posted:do afp://sharename or smb://sharename Tried them all. Afp smb http https ftp
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Jul 23, 2015 16:15
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Gibfender posted:Tried them all. Afp smb http https ftp Have you tried from a different computer?
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Jul 23, 2015 16:18
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Use https://www.canyouseeme.org to see if the external ports you expect are open are open.
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Jul 23, 2015 17:55
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Finally bought a Lenovo TS440. It's the 4 slot one for 300 bucks (plus cost of HD caddies). I figure expansion will come later. I'm just looking to replace my ReadyNAS since that Atom processor is killing me. Deal is on Tiger Direct at the moment. Same here. Guess I've got to get off my rear end and get back into NAS stuff. The deal was tough to ignore, $322 including shipping, plus 4x caddies. Has anyone posted the part number for the expansion backplane for the additional 4 ports? There are reports of people getting them on eBay, but no one has a part number, not even Lenovo. :edit: Down the rabbit-hole we go. 16GB of ECC RAM, and 4x5TB drives on a wishlist. \/\/ Thanks. $99 for the cage and 4 hot-swap caddies isn't bad, the caddies are $15/each. I'm thinking that I'll skip the SAS Card for now, as I'll only need 4 drives, plus the USB boot drive for FreeNAS. I assume there aren't any issues running the Plex module from within FreeNAS, right? sharkytm fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Jul 23, 2015 19:29
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sharkytm posted:Same here. Guess I've got to get off my rear end and get back into NAS stuff. The deal was tough to ignore, $322 including shipping, plus 4x caddies. Has anyone posted the part number for the expansion backplane for the additional 4 ports? There are reports of people getting them on eBay, but no one has a part number, not even Lenovo. The "correct" way is getting the expansion kit which includes a SAS/SATA backplane with cage, mini-SAS to mini-SAS cable, power conversion board since the expansion SAS/SATA backplane uses a different power connector than the stock backplane. Obviously you need a SAS card for this which in this particular model of the TS440, it does not already have. At least that's my interpretation of it. Documentation is kinda scant... 8-bit Miniboss fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Jul 23, 2015 22:18
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8-bit Miniboss posted:The "correct" way is getting the expansion kit which includes a SAS/SATA backplane with cage, mini-SAS to mini-SAS cable, power conversion board since the expansion SAS/SATA backplane uses a different power connector than the stock backplane. Obviously you need a SAS card for this which in this particular model of the TS440, it does not already have. The one I got already has an SAS card, weird. Didn't know there were different models.
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Jul 24, 2015 09:47
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:The one I got already has an SAS card, weird. Didn't know there were different models. Yep the model has its own builds. The one sharktym and I got is 70AQ0009UX which is the most basic model to my understanding. There are others like the 70AQ000YUX which comes with drive cages in both bays, SAS card and a Xeon E3-1245 or a 70AQ000XUX which is mostly the same but with same processor as the 70AQ0009UX. It can be a little confusing. Some people on Slickdeals got burned some time back because of the similar numbers that they ended up with the wrong ones.
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Jul 24, 2015 10:02
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Yep the model has its own builds. The one sharktym and I got is 70AQ0009UX which is the most basic model to my understanding. There are others like the 70AQ000YUX which comes with drive cages in both bays, SAS card and a Xeon E3-1245 or a 70AQ000XUX which is mostly the same but with same processor as the 70AQ0009UX. Thanks for the link to the expansion, I tried finding it but Lenovo's site is not the most user friendly.
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Jul 24, 2015 10:13
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:Thanks for the link to the expansion, I tried finding it but Lenovo's site is not the most user friendly. You're not kidding. I initially found it second-hand (twice over) from some home server forum.
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Jul 24, 2015 10:21
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Hi, I just found a really old link about how RAID is dead: http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3839636/RAIDs-Days-May-Be-Numbered.htm The author seems to grossly underestimate the bandwidth scaling of drives. Is that right? Are the concerns the guy talks about relevant at all? How long are large raid rebuilds nowadays?
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Jul 24, 2015 20:46
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QuantumNinja posted:How long are large raid rebuilds nowadays? Days. His concerns are relevant.
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Jul 24, 2015 21:41
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QuantumNinja posted:Hi, I just found a really old link about how RAID is dead: Bandwidth has been going up, but size faster. If the time taken to rebuild a disk in your array is longer than the next likely failure, then you need more parity disks. Soon 3 disks will be needed to still have the same relative redundancy 1 disk provided years ago. You could avoid his concerns by only building 5 disk RAID5 arrays with 200gb disks, but I doubt that would be terribly helpful. The only plausible solution is to get the cost of SSDs down to where spindles are now, and to aggressively keep at making them faster at the same rate they are made larger.
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Jul 24, 2015 21:53
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Thermopyle posted:His concerns are relevant. Very. It also makes a strong reminder for the fact that "RAID is not backup", and if your dataset is this large, "RAID is not business continuity". Some forms of RAID (i.e. ZFS) can fail more gracefully, so that a URE during a rebuild is not instant death for the whole array. I've had this happen, and I only had to restore a few hundred megs of files, instead of the whole array.
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Jul 24, 2015 22:44
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IOwnCalculus posted:Very. It also makes a strong reminder for the fact that "RAID is not backup", and if your dataset is this large, "RAID is not business continuity". Yep, and ZFS only has to rebuild what is actually on the disks instead of doing the WHOLE array because it has no clue what is stored on it.
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Jul 24, 2015 23:03
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I have a spare AMD pc that's based on the Hudson d4 chipset. What's a good storage based distro I can run on it? Or should I just use something like Ubuntu Server? Freenas requires ECC so that's out of the question.
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Jul 25, 2015 06:03
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meatliner posted:Freenas requires ECC so that's out of the question. no it doesn't?
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Jul 25, 2015 18:59
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Telex posted:no it doesn't? Everything I've read online and the people on the Freenas IRC channel lead me to believe that not having ecc memory is an accident waiting to happen?
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Jul 25, 2015 20:52
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meatliner posted:Everything I've read online and the people on the Freenas IRC channel lead me to believe that not having ecc memory is an accident waiting to happen? Are you deploying this thing in a professional environment, or building a home porn server? Adjust common sense appropriately. Freenas is more or less meant to run on leftover desktop hardware, not enterprise class server storage IMO, you will be fine. Spend money on a better drive controller.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:02
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If you're setting out to build a fileserver from the outset there's no point in cheaping out since the cost difference is negligible in the grand scheme of things, but if you're just throwing something together from parts and don't care too much about the data on it, FreeNAS will still work with non-ECC memory. Good luck getting any sort of assistance if you run into any issues with FreeNAS and you're not using ECC memory, though.
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Jul 25, 2015 21:21
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I think it boils down to "What is your data worth to you?". I'd rather spent extra on my NAS which stores my most valuable data than the SSD in my main workstation.
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Jul 25, 2015 22:13
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:I think it boils down to "What is your data worth to you?". Especially since the price difference for a supporting motherboard, CPU, and 8GB RAM is <$50. So yeah, if you're rolling a new system, go ECC. If you're just trying to throw a movie server on some spare hardware, then whatever, it's not like it's just gonna keel over and die on you every day (or if it does, it's only gonna take a movie or two with it).
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Jul 25, 2015 22:26
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I have pretty much a full system available already, albeit cheaper AMD gear. Thanks for the input though - most if not all of the data I intend to store on this server is backed up to the cloud with the rest of it just movies and such which I can back up to other media. If money wasn't an issue I'd go the whole hog and buy all new, all supported gear.
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The issue with non-ECC memory is the possibility of your data being silently corrupted during a scrub, and if you're backing up your data from that fileserver you end up overwriting the older, good version of that data. At least, that's the way I understood the importance of ECC memory with FreeNAS.
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