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Congratulations, GOP...you've finally got your Ralph Nader. That being said, I'm surprised Trump didn't pay someone to pull a Machete while he was visiting Laredo to pump him up another 20 points with an assassination attempt by a 'dirty, violent Mexican.' BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Congratulations, GOP...you've finally got your Ralph Nader. I'm from that area. I'm surprised it didn't happen anyway. Or better yet, he probably did pay someone but they just took the money and went back across the border.
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Jul 24, 2015 03:46
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Looks like Larry is finally covering Sandra Bland, so this should be a good one at least. That whole situation is like 100 different kinds of hosed up.
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Jul 24, 2015 04:43
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raditts posted:Looks like Larry is finally covering Sandra Bland, so this should be a good one at least. That whole situation is like 100 different kinds of hosed up. I haven't seen tonight's episode, but based on the slow burn of facts leaking I almost think its a conscience decision to wait a few days to get the most bang for their buck rather than revisiting every night.
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Jul 24, 2015 05:08
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kayakyakr posted:I'm from that area. I'm surprised it didn't happen anyway. "See, this is proof they're lazy and untrustworthy...when you pay one of them to wound you they don't follow through. If I'd paid a *white guy* I'd be in a hospital right now with a gouge outta my arm. Whaddya mean what I did was against the law, it's MY BODY I was paying him to shoot - I should be able to have whatever I want done to me. Huh? Of course I'm still pro-life, why'd you ask that?"
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Jul 24, 2015 07:39
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So here's a thing I ran across. I don't suppose this had anything to do with Wyatt leaving the show. I can't imagine they were/are on awfully terrible terms though, since he's been back a couple of times. http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/jon-stewart-told-wyatt-cenac-to-fck-off.html?mid=fb-share-vulture swickles posted:I haven't seen tonight's episode, but based on the slow burn of facts leaking I almost think its a conscience decision to wait a few days to get the most bang for their buck rather than revisiting every night. Oddly, he only covered the traffic stop bit. And then two of the three people on the panel parroted the whole "if you're polite to the police then nothing bad will happen!" horseshit while the third was just kinda  at them. 
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Jul 24, 2015 14:43
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I read another interview with Wyatt where he basically appointed himself ambassador of all minority-kind in the writing staff, which seems pretty goddamn arrogant and not particularly conducive to making comedy. Plus, Stewart's impression of Herman Caine didn't even sound like him. It was just some generic gruff voice making jokes about how Herman didn't like to read--and it couldn't be more obvious that he really doesn't, since he ran for president without having the faintest clue what the hell was going on in Libya or what Uzbekistan is. Seems like Wyatt wanted to police The Daily Show and kept pushing buttons until Stewart told him to "gently caress off."
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Jul 24, 2015 15:31
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In all fairness, Ooze-becky-becky-stan-stan is a mystery to us all. But we gotta catch em all.
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Jul 24, 2015 15:57
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Did you guys know that one guy on the panel used to be a police officer?
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Jul 24, 2015 16:07
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kittenmittons posted:Did you guys know that one guy on the panel used to be a police officer? That's funny, he didn't mention it at all!
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Jul 24, 2015 16:21
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:I read another interview with Wyatt where he basically appointed himself ambassador of all minority-kind in the writing staff, which seems pretty goddamn arrogant and not particularly conducive to making comedy. Plus, Stewart's impression of Herman Caine didn't even sound like him. It was just some generic gruff voice making jokes about how Herman didn't like to read--and it couldn't be more obvious that he really doesn't, since he ran for president without having the faintest clue what the hell was going on in Libya or what Uzbekistan is. Maybe. But if he's the ONLY black person on the staff, he's gotta feel like his perspective is the one with the most weight when it comes to these issues.
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Jul 24, 2015 17:51
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Also, you know, try not to lose your poo poo in front of your employees.
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Jul 24, 2015 18:03
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Yeah, if the words "gently caress off" are said in anger in a workplace whoever is involved probably shouldn't work together.
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Jul 24, 2015 18:07
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Sounds like roommates getting on each others' nerves, the writers' rooms of these kinds of shows tend to be like second and even first homes during show weeks.
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Jul 24, 2015 20:49
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It does bring up an interesting situation where the last time Cenac was on the Daily Show (2014), Jon was out sick and Jason and Samantha were the hosts. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/video-playlists/s2k6wi/the-daily-show-20006-highlights/fbche4
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Jul 24, 2015 21:10
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Congratulations, GOP...you've finally got your Ralph Nader. 
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Jul 24, 2015 22:40
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raditts posted:That's funny, he didn't mention it at all! Larry mentioned it at the beginning and the dude also said a few times he used to be a cop.
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Jul 25, 2015 02:36
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GreenNight posted:Larry mentioned it at the beginning and the dude also said a few times he used to be a cop. 
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Jul 25, 2015 02:50
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:It does bring up an interesting situation where the last time Cenac was on the Daily Show (2014), Jon was out sick and Jason and Samantha were the hosts.
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Jul 25, 2015 07:39
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:I read another interview with Wyatt where he basically appointed himself ambassador of all minority-kind in the writing staff, which seems pretty goddamn arrogant and not particularly conducive to making comedy. Plus, Stewart's impression of Herman Caine didn't even sound like him. It was just some generic gruff voice making jokes about how Herman didn't like to read--and it couldn't be more obvious that he really doesn't, since he ran for president without having the faintest clue what the hell was going on in Libya or what Uzbekistan is. I dunno, maybe I'm going out on a limb here but perhaps a staff full of white guys shouldn't be telling the one black guy what he should or shouldn't twig as kind of racist. That sort of smacks of whitesplaining, probably because it's the literal definition of it.
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Jul 25, 2015 08:08
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GreenNight posted:Larry mentioned it at the beginning and the dude also said a few times he used to be a cop.  Really, man...
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Jul 25, 2015 09:18
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Cabbit posted:I dunno, maybe I'm going out on a limb here but perhaps a staff full of white guys shouldn't be telling the one black guy what he should or shouldn't twig as kind of racist. That sort of smacks of whitesplaining, probably because it's the literal definition of it. I agree with you but Wyatt also seems just hipstery enough that I could see where he might be difficult to work with in general.
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Jul 25, 2015 09:25
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I wanted to double check some dates. Travon Free joined the TDS writers in November 2012. That was also Jessica Williams' freshman year as a correspondent; she joined January. I didn't listen to the podcast yet, but it's very likely Wyatt is fairly representing what happened. I still hope he and Jon can patch things up. 
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Jul 25, 2015 09:33
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Cabbit posted:I dunno, maybe I'm going out on a limb here but perhaps a staff full of white guys shouldn't be telling the one black guy what he should or shouldn't twig as kind of racist. That sort of smacks of whitesplaining, probably because it's the literal definition of it. "I think that's racist." "I respectfully disagree."  "Whitesplaining!"
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Jul 25, 2015 10:57
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Soylentbits posted:I agree with you but Wyatt also seems just hipstery enough that I could see where he might be difficult to work with in general. I mean I think he's probably at least exaggerating the story for dramatic effect, but you're taking it full reddit here.
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Jul 25, 2015 15:43
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ultramiraculous posted:I mean I think he's probably at least exaggerating the story for dramatic effect, but you're taking it full reddit here. I have no idea what taking it full reddit means. I've got Wyatt Cenac was having a tough time at the Daily Show and that awkward work relationship stuff happened and may or may not have been exacerbated by him being the only black correspondent on staff. His viewpoint seems reasonable to me. I mean he still seems to get along with the Daily Show cast. I think he's just a really weird guy and that personalities clashed. I don't think Cabbit was wrong in that it raises warning flags when an all white cast clashes with the sole minority castmember about a racial joke. I don't think anybody came off particularly bad though. Amy Poehler has been pissed at castmates about feminist jokes before and nobody thinks twice about it. Edit: Ohhhh. I may not have understood what whitesplaining was. Soylentbits fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Jul 25, 2015 18:37
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Can someone just post the bit Cenac apparently found racist? The whole conversation seems like a minefield without that context. Dude seems like an insufferable hipster releasing a limited edition comedy album on vinyl and being a beardo in Mr Rogers clothes namedropping Brooklyn like it means fuckall. But he was also the only black guy in a room full of white people more likely than not children of privilege so... The more important takeaway here is that TDS has office dogs that act as conflict resolution when people are fighting which is just  as all gently caress.
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Jul 25, 2015 19:17
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IRQ posted:Can someone just post the bit Cenac apparently found racist? http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/24/wyatt_cenac_on_jon_stewart_on_wtf_he_told_me_to_f_k_off_when_i_criticized.html it's from the June 9 2011 episode. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ifx6ld/c--k-blocked-roundup---tim-pawlenty---herman-cain He addresses the controversy on June 28. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/7qzuu1/oh--for-fox-sake---stewart-eviscerates-stewart Now that I've watched it, I don't see the problem with political comedians imitating the dude's dialect and mocking his political statements, but then the Outrage Olympics are just getting revved up here so game on. edit: This bit just came up on the Month of Zen stream as I finished this post. Eerie. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/u5thvd/conversation-about-race pwn fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Jul 25, 2015 19:43
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I had forgotten how ridiculous John Stewart's goatee was.
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Jul 25, 2015 20:46
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Irish Joe posted:"I think that's racist." I mean he's free to disagree, but I'd be really interested in why you think the white dude has a better or even equal insight into what is offensive to black dudes than the black dude. Also 'I respectfully disagree' probably would have gone over better than telling Wyatt to go gently caress himself, repeatedly and at a high volume.
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Jul 25, 2015 23:30
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pwn posted:Slate has the clip here It just sounds like a blowhard southern idiot voice to me.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:12
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Cabbit posted:I mean he's free to disagree, but I'd be really interested in why you think the white dude has a better or even equal insight into what is offensive to black dudes than the black dude. Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion. Cenac may have found it personally offensive, and he may have felt the need to speak on behalf of all black people, but the fact remains that Stewart is, as host the show, the final decision-maker as to whether a joke is too offensive or the wrong kind of offensive to put on the air. (Stewart has also been in comedy a lot longer than Cenac and is therefore in a better position to know where the line is, and how not to cross it) This story reminds me of the jackass who wrote about going to a Daily Show taping on Salon. The warmup comedian apparently told some ethnic jokes, so the self-appointed Captain of the Speech Police in the audience asked Stewart, “Why does your warm-up comedian use ethnic humor?” Salon posted:Stewart’s face creased with annoyance. He said, shortly, loudly, glaring at me, “BECAUSE. IT’S. loving. FUNNY.” The audience erupted into wild applause. I don't believe for a second that Stewart has a racist bone in his body. He's just trying to make people laugh. Its not an easy job and, yes, he kinda courted an audience of whiny pussies, but it doesn't make the job any easier if he has to run every joke past a committee of blacks/women/asians/whites/etc to make sure no one takes the slightest bit of offense. The fact is, someone is always going to be offended. The question, then, is where to draw the line. Stewart drew it one place. Cenac another. Stewart, as host, gets final say and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt over Cenac, despite Cenac's skin color giving him superlative offense spotting abilities.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:39
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IRQ posted:It just sounds like a blowhard southern idiot voice to me. Yeah, this is where it's at for me. It even specifically reminded me of the relatively recent Little Caesars commercial with the pizza lawyer. He basically made his voice slightly gruffier and injected a southern dialect into it. I'd be surprised if John hasn't used the exact voice before for mocking someone else.
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Jul 26, 2015 00:40
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The whole WTF interview with Cenac is worth listening. It was interesting to hear him talk about his family background and some of his personal problems. But in regards to what everyone was talking about, I was hoping Stewart might not come off as bad in context as what people were writing about it. But it still comes off as pretty bad. Cenac does weigh that one incident against the fact that Stewart hired him at a time he really needed a job and The Daily Show practically saved his life; but that specific anecdote... To clarify, Wyatt wasn't there when the initial impression was pitched. But he challenged Stewart when the show was crafting the Fox News rebuttal. Cenac thought they should just let it go and let it be forgotten in a few weeks, but everyone else was still going full steam ahead on the rebuttal. Just listen to the interview. Stew did admit to Wyatt he shouldn't have blown up on him and later on suggested him as one possible replacement to Comedy Central, but the story doesn't really have a nice ending. Not sure if we'll ever hear Stewart's side of the story. Edit: Cenac does go into detail with his own emotional demons that might have affected his interpretation of that incident and general experience on the show. He doesn't overly fault Stewart. He's on the fence with returning for Jon's last show. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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Jul 26, 2015 03:05
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I kinda LOL'ed at the salon article talking about the warm up dude. Having been to a LOT of comedy tapings, warm-up dudes are always terrible. Even if they're good comedians, they're usually doing soggy material or just riffing with the crowd. It also rarely matches up with the jokes told on-stage. I took a friend to see @midnight thinking it'd be a great time since they had on members of the Archer cast. The warm up guy made several jokes about Jews - really light inoffensive wank you'd get even on TDS. You know, "jews run the media", that sorta stuff. And my friend was PISSED. Not even jewish, just super super into Political Correctness. And I'm someone who regularly uses "Check your privilege" with some friends. --- I think its clear that Stewart blew up at Cenac for one of any number of reasons, and they never really healed the rift.
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Jul 26, 2015 03:24
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So his problem was with the rebuttal? You mean the thing where Fox News would have literally called Stewart a klan member neo-hitler for not agreeing with "awww shucky ducky" and the pokemon theme song as valid presidential policy? Yes, racism was the motive for mocking Cain. Just like mocking Palin was 100% sexism.
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Jul 26, 2015 03:29
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IRQ posted:So his problem was with the rebuttal? You mean the thing where Fox News would have literally called Stewart a klan member neo-hitler for not agreeing with "awww shucky ducky" and the pokemon theme song as valid presidential policy? By the time Stewart told him to gently caress off, Cenac maybe raised his objection for the third time already. Maybe combine that with the criticism he's getting from Fox News caused Stewart to lose it at that moment. Wyatt and Jon were able to push that incident to the side. It was around the same time Wyatt's contract was up and he seriously thought about leaving (mostly because of other reasons), but people like John Oliver convinced him to stay on for another year. His last year was only as a correspondent and not a writer and Wyatt said that year was a bit awkward. And when he did finally leave, he was ready to move on. That incident alone may not have caused his disillusionment; Wyatt seems to be carrying some other issues, but it did make things worse.
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Jul 26, 2015 03:46
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No, his problem seems to be that while Fox News was calling his Cain voice crazy KKK race-face Ha-Ha, prompting a desire for rebuttal, Cenac mildly agreed with the notion that the Cain voice was kinda troubling (although I doubt to the Fox News extent because nothing is to the Fox News extent). I imagine Stew blew up because he'd been smeared as a racist all over Bullshit Mountain and then suddenly he's getting it from his own writer's room, too. No one takes being called a racist well. Even racists try to call it "heritage" or "religious freedom" or whatever excuse they use. Only Hulk Hogan actually says "I guess I'm racist" and then tosses out some slurs. I imagine this Cenac story might have caught on enough to precipitate a response from Stew-Beef, as I'm sure Fox News is covering it. Maybe he'll have Cenac on to discuss it, because I doubt Cenac meant it to blow up, either. I imagine the story might begin with something like "Well, it seems over the weekend, I have racism scandals in common with Hulk Hogan..."
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Jul 26, 2015 03:51
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Which will segue nicely into discussing his new career as the world's worst professional wrestler.
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Jul 26, 2015 05:13
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Please don't quote Irish Joe or respond to his arguments seriously.
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