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Look at your chart, mandatory minimums were enacted in the 80's before the precipitous increase. Not saying they caused it, the problem with mandatory minimums is that the only thing they succeed at is longer prison terms.
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Irish Joe posted:
I guess Marijuana is a gateway drug. TO VIOLENCE. Then again, if mandatory minimums are so great at lowering violent crime, it of course having absolutely nothing to do with other, more reasonable, factors, why aren't they working as well against drug use?
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Jul 28, 2015 12:38
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Irish Joe posted:
Not pictured: statistics for non-violent offences as specifically discussed in the segment.
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Jul 28, 2015 13:20
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The crime rate has dropped in every major city, in every state, and in almost every country over the last 30 years. There is no policy that caused it to happen and it is the subject of a lot of debate as to how/why it fell off so consistently and quickly across the board. There's an interesting theory that it has to due with leaded gasoline being phased out causing significantly lower levels of lead in the atmosphere. Either way it doesn't have a god drat thing to do with mandatory minimums.
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Jul 28, 2015 13:48
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Gyges posted:I guess Marijuana is a gateway drug. TO VIOLENCE. Let's see if I still have  ah yeah there it is.
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Jul 28, 2015 13:58
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Huh, looks like there might be actual progress to scale back mandatory minimum sentencing laws at the federal level. Still pretty early in the whole process, but good news if it pans out.
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Jul 28, 2015 15:05
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Gyges posted:I guess Marijuana is a gateway drug. TO VIOLENCE. Isn't it, though? Ott, the guy who got life without parole for a drug offense, was carrying around a gun during the commission of his felonies. What was the gun for, if not to enact violence upon another human being? Its easy to downplay your local marijuana dealer as just a normal high school/college kid trying to make some extra cash; a kid with no violent intention and a bright future ahead of him. While that may be true in a tiny handful of circumstances, it ignores the fact that he's not operating in a bubble. He got his supply from someone, who got their supply from someone else, and so on and so forth. In short, every sale he makes helps to fund violent gangs and cartels that provide the supply and carve out territories for "harmless" dealers to work in. By establishing mandatory minimums, you make that part time job a lot less appealing to kids with bright futures. When the penalty goes from a slap on the wrist misdemeanor to a felony with jailtime, good people are a lot less willing to take the risk. Suddenly, local dealers aren't your next door neighbor or classmate, but lifelong criminals. So when they get nabbed and sentenced under mandatory minimum guidelines, a criminal who would have contributed nothing but violence and misery upon society is put behind bars for a very long time. That, my friends, is a net plus to society and why mandatory minimums work. Yes, it is regrettable that some dolphins might get caught up in our tuna nets, but when you can walk down the street without getting shot, you'll know it was worth it.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:09
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Irish Joe is hiliarous when you just read the first and last sentence of his paragraphsIrish Joe posted:Isn't it, though? What was the gun for, if not to enact violence upon another human being? What dumb thing was in the middle? Who knows, who cares!
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Jul 28, 2015 16:15
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From gateway drugs to dolphin by-catch, that's our Joe!
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Jul 28, 2015 16:47
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I for one was glad to hear about this because I HAD NO loving IDEA IT WAS THIS BAD. Which pretty much sums up everything I hear from this show. Yes, I know about bail bonds, nuclear silos, wasted food, but I didn't realize how bad they were until they point it out. So yes, segments like that are important because I am sure that not everyone is well versed in all the hosed up poo poo that America does.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:16
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Irish Joe posted:Isn't it, though? Ott, the guy who got life without parole for a drug offense, was carrying around a gun during the commission of his felonies. What was the gun for, if not to enact violence upon another human being? So...if any firearm possession implies intent for violence, heavy gun control laws are the answer?
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Jul 28, 2015 17:28
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Well obviously if you have a gun you're intending to commit violence. Which is why if you get pulled over for a traffic violation and you've got a gun in the car your state's version of 10/20/Life kicks in.
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:I for one was glad to hear about this because I HAD NO loving IDEA IT WAS THIS BAD. Which pretty much sums up everything I hear from this show. Yes, I know about bail bonds, nuclear silos, wasted food, but I didn't realize how bad they were until they point it out. So yes, segments like that are important because I am sure that not everyone is well versed in all the hosed up poo poo that America does. Did I miss an episode? Was there one on nuclear silos? e: maybe I missed it? I remember space geckos but they brought them back a bunch. Alright season 1 episode 12 lets do this  oh gently caress you hbo go what the gently caress is this arbitrary cutoff bullshit? Krinkle fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Jul 28, 2015 21:21
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Gyges posted:Well obviously if you have a gun you're intending to commit violence. Which is why if you get pulled over for a traffic violation and you've got a gun in the car your state's version of 10/20/Life kicks in. Unironically this. Ban guns.
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Jul 28, 2015 21:24
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Krinkle posted:Did I miss an episode? Was there one on nuclear silos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g
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Jul 28, 2015 21:27
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Relentlessboredomm posted:The crime rate has dropped in every major city, in every state, and in almost every country over the last 30 years. There is no policy that caused it to happen and it is the subject of a lot of debate as to how/why it fell off so consistently and quickly across the board. There's an interesting theory that it has to due with leaded gasoline being phased out causing significantly lower levels of lead in the atmosphere. Either way it doesn't have a god drat thing to do with mandatory minimums. My favorite theory is the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis, which notes how the country-wide drop in crime rates coincides nicely with first generation born after Roe V. Wade reaching adulthood.
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Paper Kaiju posted:My favorite theory is the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis, which notes how the country-wide drop in crime rates coincides nicely with first generation born after Roe V. Wade reaching adulthood. What's of note is that a lot of the interesting theories, like Roe v. Wade and the banning of leaded gasoline, happened around the same time. The 1970s fixed America, and I personally think the real prime mover of that fix was Jimi Hendrix becoming one with the Force and ushering in the era of the summer blockbuster.
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Jul 28, 2015 22:17
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Irish Joe: a guy who's literally never bought weed.
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Jul 29, 2015 03:40
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Apropos of nothing; https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tyler-creator-unleashes-fans-against-180440313.html
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Jul 29, 2015 06:50
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Crime skyrocketed with the introduction of crack. Crime has steadily been going down as the crack epidemic has been dealt with. This is a pretty simple thing.
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I thought Lead Theory was interesting. Dunno how well it holds up.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Apropos of nothing; Haha, goodamn I love that crazy bastard.
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Jul 29, 2015 11:03
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The Michigan Supreme Court just ruled sentencing guidelines unconstitutional. http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/07/29/state-supreme-court-rule-sentencing-guideline-unconstitutional/30857079/
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Zero One posted:The Michigan Supreme Court just ruled sentencing guidelines unconstitutional. I love how it was deemed unconstitutional not because of the injustice of being put in jail for longer than what the crime really deserves, but instead it being deemed unconstitutional because you couldn't lock someone up as long as you wanted to. Perfect right?
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Irish Joe posted:Haha, goodamn I love that crazy bastard. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that Irish Joe likes someone because they had their fans harass a woman that had nothing to do with something that happened to them.
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Veskit posted:I love how it was deemed unconstitutional not because of the injustice of being put in jail for longer than what the crime really deserves, but instead it being deemed unconstitutional because you couldn't lock someone up as long as you wanted to. Perfect right? Pfft, who put this 'cruel and unusual' thing here, must be a typo!
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Jul 30, 2015 16:46
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MizPiz posted:I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that Irish Joe likes someone because they had their fans harass a woman that had nothing to do with something that happened to them. A woman who organized an online crusade against a person for the crime of performing music she didn't like (and therefore no one should be allowed to listen to it, according to her deranged mind) getting much deserved comeuppance when the person she targeted decided to fight back and use her own weapons of harassment against her. Its almost poetic.
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Gaz-L posted:Pfft, who put this 'cruel and unusual' thing here, must be a typo! No no it was within the constitution. It would be unusual to not let a judge judge the case the way they want to and should totallllyyy be able to judge outside the confines of the law makes sense, iT MAKES 100% SENSE.
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Gaz-L posted:Pfft, who put this 'cruel and unusual' thing here, must be a typo! Those silly founders left a lot of poo poo in the constitution they CLEARLY didn't mean to, there's that bit about cruel and unusual punishment, that other snippet about "A well regulated Militia". They really needed an editor!
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Jul 30, 2015 19:35
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Irish Joe posted:A woman who organized an online crusade against a person for the crime of performing music she didn't like (and therefore no one should be allowed to listen to it, according to her deranged mind) getting much deserved comeuppance when the person she targeted decided to fight back and use her own weapons of harassment against her. Its almost poetic. I do not believe her weapons of harrasment included death and rape threats
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Jul 31, 2015 03:20
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bobkatt013 posted:I do not believe her weapons of harrasment included death and rape threats There's a weird class of free speech advocate that believes that the government shouldn't block any speech because the ~*~Free Market~*~ will self-censor or whatever, but then throw a fit when the free market starts in on something that they like. I'll never get it. That being said,
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Freaquency posted:There's a weird class of free speech advocate that believes that the government shouldn't block any speech because the ~*~Free Market~*~ will self-censor or whatever, but then throw a fit when the free market starts in on something that they like. I'll never get it. These are the same people that whine about people saying group x faces discrimination and then say that straight, white males are the "last acceptable targets" with a straight face. Trying to get them is a fool's errand.
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Freaquency posted:There's a weird class of free speech advocate that believes that the government shouldn't block any speech because the ~*~Free Market~*~ will self-censor or whatever, but then throw a fit when the free market starts in on something that they like. I'll never get it. Doesn't the free market correction include both negative and positive responses to a stimulus, as well as any consequent response to the initial responses? Isn't that what people who advocate free speech want--honest, civilized and intellectual debate--rather than tyrannical entities (in this case, a shrill harpy on Twitter) declaring speech to be banned while the victims of their Orwellian declarations are unable to respond? I know you see the world through a child's eyes and that's precious, but do try and understand that the world isn't as black and white as My Little Pony makes it seem.
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I would have taken this bait if I thought you were actually interested in some form of discourse, but you showed your hand too early with the MLP bit. 2/10, see me after class.
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Jul 31, 2015 14:52
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Irish Joe could never understand the complexity and nuance in the world of My Little Pony.
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The pony show makes me chubbed. so does bacon i fat
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Come on, Joe, you're better at this than that. Try again but this time put in some actual effort.
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Jul 31, 2015 20:29
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Irish Joe posted:Doesn't the free market correction include both negative and positive responses to a stimulus, as well as any consequent response to the initial responses? Isn't that what people who advocate free speech want--honest, civilized and intellectual debate--rather than tyrannical entities (in this case, a shrill harpy on Twitter) declaring speech to be banned while the victims of their Orwellian declarations are unable to respond? This is a spectacularly bad post, even for your standards. Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Nemo posted:It was a special called Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue and it featured further intervention cameos by Alf and Papa Smurf and Winnie the Pooh. I recognized what I was sure was the voice of ALF (AKA Gordon Shumway) during the bit played on Last Week Tonight.
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Freaquency posted:There's a weird class of free speech advocate that believes that the government shouldn't block any speech because the ~*~Free Market~*~ will self-censor or whatever, but then throw a fit when the free market starts in on something that they like. I'll never get it.
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