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rejutka posted:So what if Winds of Winter is released this century? The show will finish before the books - possibly even before the next book is out - and, well, the fourth book is half a book that is long and boring and the fifth book is half a book that is long and boring and cuts out the end and is badly in need of an editor. Based on that, why would anyone want to look at the poo poo smeared pages that are the sixth book(let)? Somehow the show became even worse and running out of source material is going to be disastrous - I can't imagine season 6 being anything more than random fantasy generator output and shock scenes.
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Yet it will be finished and out quicker than dead tree dead end. You get to be done and walk away. Edit: Battle of Hastings page, woooo
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Yeah plotwise the show has been loving terrible these past two seasons, tons of poo poo has already happened that is strictly cringeworthy fan fiction, when (and if) gurm publishes the next book I will read the plodding tome regardless of whether the show has already spoiled parts of it or not.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:10
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rejutka posted:Yet it will be finished and out quicker than dead tree dead end. You get to be done and walk away. Listen dude. I have to say it - I like eating poo poo covered berries. The bitter fecal taste pairs well with the sweet morsel inside. It's not something I'm forced to do - no one makes me eat them, I just do. That said, do not, and I mean DO NOT, try to feed me poo poo without the berries inside - it's not the same thing and it is not a substitute.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:28
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TWOW will be released along with the premier of the show, just like ADWD was released along with the first season of GOT. It'll also be a rushed mess like ADWD as well.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:37
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Mike N Eich posted:TWOW will be released along with the premier of the show, just like ADWD was released along with the first season of GOT. It'll also be a rushed mess like ADWD as well. yep, i have been thinking this for quite awhile. his publishers are going to be breathing fire down his neck to make sure that something gets released along with the s6 premiere, they are literally throwing money away if they don't
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:do not, and I mean DO NOT, try to feed me poo poo without the berries inside
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Krinkle posted:What happened to October of this year? Within the last month this was the rumor? The only thing getting released this year is the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
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Amoeba102 posted:The only thing getting released this year is the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. The best is how that latest Dunk & Egg shortstory, which he said was about 75% done but couldn't finish for that Dangerous Woman book 3 years ago, still isn't finished for this thing
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Aug 3, 2015 23:15
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Amoeba102 posted:The only thing getting released this year is the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. No one recycles like Martin.
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rejutka posted:So what if Winds of Winter is released this century? The show will finish before the books - possibly even before the next book is out - and, well, the fourth book is half a book that is long and boring and the fifth book is half a book that is long and boring and cuts out the end and is badly in need of an editor. Based on that, why would anyone want to look at the poo poo smeared pages that are the sixth book(let)? There is no Patchface in the show
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AtAt-de-fay posted:No one recycles like Martin. I don't really blame him for releasing them in a form other than "discontinued anthologies" - may as well make money where you can. If that thing came out in 2010 when Mystery Knight did I might have bought it. Though remembering that grrm released a dunk and egg book while everyone was on year 5 of the wait for adwd makes me mad all over again.
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AtAt-de-fay posted:No one recycles like Martin. He'd get an award for being Green if he wasn't a factory for noxious emissions.
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savinhill posted:The best is how that latest Dunk & Egg shortstory, which he said was about 75% done but couldn't finish for that Dangerous Woman book 3 years ago, still isn't finished for this thing What the fuckkkkkkkk. Finish the tiny rear end story. Give me something new and I'll buy it you incredible fucker.
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Why do even that much work when you can farm out other people's work that you had your assistant do a proofread of while you did the convention circuit?
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I read A Game of Thrones years ago, when the television series first started. I liked the first book, but felt it was overly thick, and that many of the chapters could have been greatly reduced or cut entirely. I started the second, and I enjoyed it alright, but life got in the way. As the television series progressed, I begin to learn major spoilers, like the fate of Joffrey, the Red Wedding, and of Renly's death, among other things even though I did not want to watch until I read the books. Now, I'm beginning to wonder if I should even bother reading the books, given the fact I would need to read a lot of stuff I already know, when my main problem was that I felt the books were too long already. What would you all say to this problem? Is asoiaf and Game of Thrones just not for me, or is it worth its flaws? stick with the show. I think they are going to handle Arya losing her eyes way better than the books did. maybe if you like George's style you should try his Wild Card's series. Lots of fans of that series here in this thread. I see that you aren't a fan of long books. Did you every try to get through neal stephenson's anathem? That poo poo was way too long for me. I don't think I like anything he has written since Cryptonomicon.
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I don't dislike long books per se, but I feel ASoIaF isn't just long, it's... boring, I guess you'd say. It has a lot of words to say about nothing happening, and then, when things do happen, it's a twist, which, given how popular and discussed the series has become, are hard to keep unspoiled. So, if it takes a lot of effort to get through it due to it's size, and the thing GRRM does best is ruined continuously through outside forces, I don't know if it's worth it. I guess I'm weird, because I love the Silmarillion, one of the most boring books ever, but I petered out reading a Clash of Kings. Really, the whole reason I'm thinking of giving it another shot is everyone and their mothers are calling GRRM the American Tolkien, and that ASoIaF is beautiful and wonderful and has the coolest world ever, and I don't want to dismiss it as hype, like the did with Tolkien at first.
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I enjoy these, especially the first three, a lot more than I did anything Tolkien wrote. I appreciate what Tolkien did and all but if there's anything I find boring, it's that. I don't really want to say twists are the best things he does, he's willing to kill people and all that but I think his characters are good in general. There's a lot there that isn't descriptions of food. Abercrombie might be better if you want something that gets to the point.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I don't dislike long books per se, but I feel ASoIaF isn't just long, it's... boring, I guess you'd say. It has a lot of words to say about nothing happening, and then, when things do happen, it's a twist, which, given how popular and discussed the series has become, are hard to keep unspoiled. So, if it takes a lot of effort to get through it due to it's size, and the thing GRRM does best is ruined continuously through outside forces, I don't know if it's worth it. I guess I'm weird, because I love the Silmarillion, one of the most boring books ever, but I petered out reading a Clash of Kings. Really, the whole reason I'm thinking of giving it another shot is everyone and their mothers are calling GRRM the American Tolkien, and that ASoIaF is beautiful and wonderful and has the coolest world ever, and I don't want to dismiss it as hype, like the did with Tolkien at first. If you're not into really long wordy books with very little action then I suggest The King Killer Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss. That man basically simmers every thing down to very concise, fast paced books with tons of action and very little in the way of needlessly overwrought sentences and descriptions that drag some stories down. They may be "long" books in that they are like 1000 pages, but they really just fly by. Its like a hearty beef stew in book form.
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We call him the american tolkein ironically.
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Solice Kirsk posted:If you're not into really long wordy books with very little action then I suggest The King Killer Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss. That man basically simmers every thing down to very concise, fast paced books with tons of action and very little in the way of needlessly overwrought sentences and descriptions that drag some stories down. They may be "long" books in that they are like 1000 pages, but they really just fly by. Its like a hearty beef stew in book form. You are a bad man.
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Solice Kirsk posted:If you're not into really long wordy books with very little action then I suggest The King Killer Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss. That man basically simmers every thing down to very concise, fast paced books with tons of action and very little in the way of needlessly overwrought sentences and descriptions that drag some stories down. They may be "long" books in that they are like 1000 pages, but they really just fly by. Its like a hearty beef stew in book form. Oh you absolute fucker (in training).
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I read the first book of the series and already got the Mary Sue shivers. From what I hear it does not get any better. The reactions only enforce this. About ASoIaF, I suppose my question can be boiled down to one simple question I have had trouble forming: if I know the fate of major characters, and will not be able to get as into their stories because of it, is it worth it? Is Martin, like Tolkien, enjoyable for the journey (prose, dialogue, characterization) even when th destination is known?
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The show had made significant changes to the plots of several major characters in the recent seasons so I wouldn't even bet on the destination necessarily being known for all characters. Anyway I think that other than some particularly boring plot lines most of Martin's plots are interesting for the most part and even on a second reading when you absolutely know what's going to happen there are plenty of interesting details or bits of clever foreshadowing to keep you reading. There's also something to be said about the fact that gurms plots despite their sometimes slow pace are generally a lot better written than a lot of the poo poo that found its way into the show, so if you're interested in the overall plot I'd say it's definitely better to experience it in a form that makes a lot more sense.
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I feel like I've answered this guy's exact question four times now. Yes the journey is worth it and more interesting than the destination.
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Krinkle posted:I feel like I've answered this guy's exact question four times now. Yes the journey is worth it and more interesting than the destination. Which is good since there is no destination. Also the journey ends in a field of poo poo after floundering for about a thousand pages. Edit: make that more like 1,500 pages.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:About ASoIaF, I suppose my question can be boiled down to one simple question I have had trouble forming: if I know the fate of major characters, and will not be able to get as into their stories because of it, is it worth it? Is Martin, like Tolkien, enjoyable for the journey (prose, dialogue, characterization) even when th destination is known? ASOIAF is completely character driven so getting inside the characters' heads is 100% of the draw. You are literally the only person in all of existence who can answer whether or not you like character driven narratives with the occasional insightful literary motif. A Clash of Kings is one of if not the worst book in the series. A Storm of Swords is by far the least boring book in the series and possibly the best fantasy novel ever published. Also, this: kcroy posted:stick with the show. I think they are going to handle Arya losing her eyes way better than the books did.
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Regulus74 posted:A Storm of Swords is by far the least boring book in the series and possibly the best fantasy novel ever published. I don't know about that. It kinda drags for a while in the middle and then the Red Wedding happens and then it drags a little more until Joffrey is offed. Mostly I hate the Arya chapters though (she didn't get to Braavos until book 4, right?).
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kcroy posted:stick with the show. I think they are going to handle Arya losing her eyes way better than the books did. This isn't hard. There isn't a 6 year wait between finding out she went blind followed by a quick "lol nope FAKED YOU" reveal on the show. Hiro Protagonist posted:I read the first book of the series and already got the Mary Sue shivers. From what I hear it does not get any better. The reactions only enforce this. Lol. Say whatever else you will about GRRM's excrement, but one one of the few excellent things ASoIaF does is take Mary Sue conventions and stays with the seemingly organic consequences of each character's choices long enough to break the limits of their fantasy. It's not obvious in the first book because 3/4ths of the first book is table-setting, but it does pay off if you can pay attention to the big picture and contrast them with their stock archetype if the story was set to pan out more traditionally. Most major characters from the first three books fit into this theme. Where did you hear it doesn't get better? Because Dany is still loving around in Essos at the end of six door-stopper books?
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Solice Kirsk posted:If you're not into really long wordy books with very little action then I suggest The King Killer Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss. That man basically simmers every thing down to very concise, fast paced books with tons of action and very little in the way of needlessly overwrought sentences and descriptions that drag some stories down. They may be "long" books in that they are like 1000 pages, but they really just fly by. Its like a hearty beef stew in book form. loving lol
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I don't dislike long books per se, but I feel ASoIaF isn't just long, it's... boring, I guess you'd say. It has a lot of words to say about nothing happening, and then, when things do happen, it's a twist, which, given how popular and discussed the series has become, are hard to keep unspoiled. So, if it takes a lot of effort to get through it due to it's size, and the thing GRRM does best is ruined continuously through outside forces, I don't know if it's worth it. I guess I'm weird, because I love the Silmarillion, one of the most boring books ever, but I petered out reading a Clash of Kings. Really, the whole reason I'm thinking of giving it another shot is everyone and their mothers are calling GRRM the American Tolkien, and that ASoIaF is beautiful and wonderful and has the coolest world ever, and I don't want to dismiss it as hype, like the did with Tolkien at first. If A Game of Thrones didn't hook you enough to slog through A Clash of Kings to find out what happens, then his character driven writing probably isn't for you and you should just watch the show. That being said; these are not long books. They are thick books, with lots of pages, but they are super easy and fast reading and you could have finished most of a chapter by the time you read or skimmed this forum page.
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I like the parts where nothing is happening. The best Arya chapters are the ones where she's just wandering around a countryside that´s been totally ravaged by both the Lannisters and the "good" guys. I also liked the Brienne chapters because she had one with Septon Meribald and he's the best Septon.
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Regulus74 posted:A Storm of Swords is by far the least boring book in the series and possibly the best fantasy novel ever published. Whoah hey now there, chief.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I read the first book of the series and already got the Mary Sue shivers. From what I hear it does not get any better. The reactions only enforce this. Do you like food porn and description of light coming through windows? Because outside of whatever bullshit way the Gurm decides to punish any attempt of his characters to act like decent people, that's all the series really has to offer.
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Woah now, is gurm losing weight or something? He's standing upright on his legs and everything. Also, why is he holding that plushie of George Lucas?
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rejutka posted:Edit: Battle of Hastings page, woooo
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Liquid Communism posted:Do you like food porn and description of light coming through windows? Because outside of whatever bullshit way the Gurm decides to punish any attempt of his characters to act like decent people, that's all the series really has to offer. There are a few odd moments like that. I still recall a scene where some guy is urinating and the book goes into surprising details like "the warm yellow stream steamed into the cold air. Though come to think of it I've probably read about size of the nipples and the colour of the pubic hair of every single female character....
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