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lol if you dont have robust automation infrastructure set up for your shittop fedora installs
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the install gui for linux should just be replaced with jenkins
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Aug 13, 2015 23:02
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i started using tmuxinator tonight and holy poo poo
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k-zed posted:just give up and learn vim already. all forms of vi have even less sane key shortcuts than emacs. i don't like the ui of my nerd text editor to be too radically different from editors for normals jony neuemonic posted:one of my friends swears by textadept. sounds like it ticks most of your boxes, and it supports a bunch of languages so verilog is probably in there somewhere. thx will give it a look, sounds like it might not handle large files but i don't need that too often
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Aug 14, 2015 05:06
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BobHoward posted:this is probably a real bad idea but i'd like some replacement text editor recommendations just customize emacs to use the keybindings you want, you'll be way better off in the long run
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BobHoward posted:all forms of vi have even less sane key shortcuts than emacs. i don't like the ui of my nerd text editor to be too radically different from editors for normals Enabling cua-mode will make emacs implement standard keyboard shortcuts if you're really that attached to them. It's not that difficult to relearn three or four binds, though, considering the hundreds you'll end up internalizing. "standard" keybinds are pretty poorly placed anyway if you use a computer often enough that you don't need mnemonics for trivial operations.
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Aug 14, 2015 05:12
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pram posted:how the gently caress are you going to bootstrap chef, or puppet, onto a desktop linux system, bsd. how. should he automate that too? should he make the image before he installs it on his undoubtedly lovely computer? should he run a kickstart and pxe server? should he use foreman too.. chef and puppet both ship self-contained binary packages so that your cfg mgmt doesn't depend on the software components you are attempting to manage. both also have serverless and virtual-server modes so you don't have to spin up some kind of enterprise horseshit to work with a single host. how else would they work? as you point out, it would be impossible to bootstrap otherwise it is pretty obvious you have never worked with the best-of-breed configuration management systems. that also explains why you find ansible to be more than merely tolerable.
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Aug 14, 2015 05:18
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Ralith posted:Enabling cua-mode will make emacs implement standard keyboard shortcuts if you're really that attached to them. It's not that difficult to relearn three or four binds, though, considering the hundreds you'll end up internalizing. "standard" keybinds are pretty poorly placed anyway if you use a computer often enough that you don't need mnemonics for trivial operations. for copy/paste, the emacs semantics are so different from non-1980s apps, having similar shortcuts would be as much hindrance as help
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Aug 14, 2015 05:21
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no emacs im allergic
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Aug 14, 2015 05:21
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:chef and puppet both ship self-contained binary packages so that your cfg mgmt doesn't depend on the software components you are attempting to manage. both also have serverless and virtual-server modes so you don't have to spin up some kind of enterprise horseshit to work with a single host. uhh the self contained chef. omnibus. starts redis, postgres, rabbitmq, and 6 other daemons of various languages. u are painfully stupid https://github.com/chef/omnibus
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Aug 14, 2015 05:27
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BobHoward posted:no emacs immunotherapy works just expose yourself to just a little bit at a time pretty soon you won't even notice it or you could use a better OS than Linux, like OS X, and switch to BBEdit
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Aug 14, 2015 05:29
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pram posted:uhh the self contained chef. omnibus. starts redis, postgres, rabbitmq, and 6 other daemons of various languages. u are painfully stupid it only starts all those services on a chef server. why would i want a chef server in order to manage a single node? as i mentioned, puppet and chef will happily operate without a server
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Aug 14, 2015 05:30
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anything interesting in FreeBSD 10.2? any news ways in which BSD > Linux?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it only starts all those services on a chef server. why would i want a chef server in order to manage a single node? why would you install anything period when ansible will configure your system with zero bootstrapping. truly a difficult question. masterless puppet and chef = you need to log in and install poo poo like a literal caveman
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Aug 14, 2015 05:34
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eschaton posted:anything interesting in FreeBSD 10.2? bsd is dead, you might want to consult netcraft
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Aug 14, 2015 05:35
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i have a strong suspicion bsd has never used puppet or chef and this is mostly armchair autism
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Aug 14, 2015 05:37
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i like a good IT automation slapfight
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Aug 14, 2015 05:42
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look fedora and ubuntu dont even come with ruby. please stfu  rhel and ubuntu: ready to be provisioned via ansible BY DEFAULT. chef and puppet, not so much
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Aug 14, 2015 05:55
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eschaton posted:immunotherapy works or maybe id croak over and die foaming at the mouth from a violent reaction. what about that??? there are two reasons i cant switch to bbedit/textwrangler. one, its search/replace is almost a perfect nedit clone except it is missing the vital functionality of just hitting up arrow / down arrow to navigate through past search/replace pairs. that's really most of the brilliance of its search box, realizing that access to history is way more important than using up/downarrow to move the insertion point in the text entry boxes two, it only runs on os x and i need an editor that runs on a linux even though i do use the better os. maybe you could help out by asking tim cook to bribe eda tool vendors to port to os x?! i'm sure there's a great business case for this
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Aug 14, 2015 06:05
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pram posted:look fedora and ubuntu dont even come with ruby. please stfu lol depending on system python. broken out of the box. puppet and chef are still ruby-based, but they have actual commercial users. go figure that they considered use cases other than startup weeaboos, so they don't depend on system ruby
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Aug 14, 2015 07:11
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ready for ansible, unless the target system is slightly different in some way that wasn't expected oops
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Aug 14, 2015 07:13
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ansible is idempotent in the same way chef and puppet are. fly away troll
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Aug 14, 2015 07:15
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pram posted:ansible is idempotent in the same way chef and puppet are. fly away troll sure, after you get it to run the first time. the challenge is that it has to run on every brain damaged python it might find. it's agentless and doesn't ship its own runtime, so if you break system python you also break the cfg mgmt meant to fix system python. oops. gg. but it's ~*~ agentless ~*~!!!!!! it depends on hundreds of mb of random poo poo that may or may not be installed or working, but it didn't install an ~*~ agent ~*~
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Aug 14, 2015 08:00
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using ansible is a lot better than nothing. pram, i salute you for actually trying to do poo poo right but ansible's design goals are dumb. they done hosed up. agentless is the wrong model for just about every use case. a bad tool is better than no tool, but i can't think of a scenario where ansible would be my go-to
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i think bsd's answer was a good linux answer to a linux question in that it was technically correct but ultimately not helpful b/c the asker is a dumbshit who wants Good Thing, but doesn't have a clear idea of what Good Thing is. I guess what i really want is to not have to janitor my own linux. or get good enough at linux that i don't occasionally irrevocably break something that necessitates a clean install. like i spent about a few hours learning how to setup an email server. a few weeks have passed and not only have i forgotten what the email server is called, i've forgotten what files i've modified to make it work. if i want to move to a new vm instance or something i'll have to redo all that stuff :/
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Aug 14, 2015 15:36
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pram posted:look fedora and ubuntu dont even come with ruby. please stfu Linux is terrible but atleast their smart enough to not include dead language ruby
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Barnyard Protein posted:i think bsd's answer was a good linux answer to a linux question in that it was technically correct but ultimately not helpful b/c the asker is a dumbshit who wants Good Thing, but doesn't have a clear idea of what Good Thing is. I guess what i really want is to not have to janitor my own linux. or get good enough at linux that i don't occasionally irrevocably break something that necessitates a clean install. lol you're problem is that you' trying to run a mailserver
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:lol you're problem is that you' trying to run a mailserver epic thissery
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:lol you're problem is that you' trying to run a mailserver listen to this man do not run a mail server
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Aug 14, 2015 16:15
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i once ran a mail server, it was like taking care of a baby and i didnt remember of being pregnant before it
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Aug 14, 2015 16:17
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pros of running a mailserver on a $10/m linode instance: cheap, it works for now and when it breaks: no more email. win win win
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Barnyard Protein posted:pros of running a mailserver on a $10/m linode instance: cheap, it works for now and when it breaks: no more email. win win win microsoft office 365 is $5/month google apps for business is $5/month both are email services that include a bunch of other stuff you will never use. in neither case do you have to worry about being hacked, being an open relay, or being added to spam RBLs. fighting to get off RBLs is the fuckin worst
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Aug 14, 2015 17:19
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google is free if ur a nonprofit 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:being an open relay when I first set up my email server I hosed up and did this. within minutes someone was using it to spam, I shut it down immediately so didn't get blacklisted or anything. setting up a mail server sucks and I wouldn't do it again, listen to the others and get fastmail or smth
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Aug 14, 2015 17:23
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Fastmail is good. Running your own mailserver is bad.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:26
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fastmail imo
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Aug 14, 2015 17:31
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fastmail, forever and always.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:sure, after you get it to run the first time. as usual, a total non issue, because you're grasping for straws. python ships with linux because other stuff, already on the system, depends on it. if your system python is broken (uhh) then you have other problems to worry about beyond configuration management Barnyard Protein posted:i think bsd's answer was a good linux answer to a linux question this is where you're wrong
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i mean must i honestly remind you that YUM, and even DNF, is written in python
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pram posted:as usual, a total non issue, because you're grasping for straws. python ships with linux because other stuff, already on the system, depends on it. if your system python is broken (uhh) then you have other problems to worry about beyond configuration management fixing a broken system is configuration management. if the system python is broken due to a hosed patch or something, i want cfg management to fix it, not barf good configuration management tools don't depend on the system. ansible is excluded from the category, for this among many reasons
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