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Anime Schoolgirl posted:We're also gonna be kind of stuck with DX11 for most games for at least three more years I mean, I get that DX12 is Windows 10 exclusive, but would it be that time consuming for people to make a toggle to go between DX11 and DX12 for the same game? Also, isn't DX12 supposed to work very soon for Xbox One? Wouldn't developers want/need to take advantage of that right away for the performance gains? That'd make things ported to PC be ready to go at least. THE DOG HOUSE posted:
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Zero VGS posted:I mean, I get that DX12 is Windows 10 exclusive, but would it be that time consuming for people to make a toggle to go between DX11 and DX12 for the same game? XBox One and PS4 being x86 and mostly similar in specs other than OS was supposed to take care of that, but that didn't pan out so well apparently, as companies still contract out PC ports because there isn't really a very good direct-to-device API for most PCs and the OSes they have installed right now. People would be fairly gungho about upgrading to Windows 10 if it didn't have even a single questionable issue. Though this is a lot cleaner than the windows 8 launch, all things considered. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it takes years to train engine programmers for a new API That's a pretty harsh indictment of engine programmers.
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Screw the benchmark numbers, is that a new Supcom-looking game I see?!
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:
Not gonna happen. AMD is seeing such improvements because their DX11-and-prior implementations were hot garbage. NVIDIA, having already built decent drivers, is not going to see anywhere near the same improvements. Like OK maybe they go from 10% gain to 20% gain or something, whereas AMD is doubling in this game. Those AMD drivers must be just mindblowingly bad. I suppose that's the same crack team of coders who will be cutting VRAM usage? 
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Aug 18, 2015 00:05
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Paul MaudDib posted:Not gonna happen. AMD is seeing such improvements because their DX11-and-prior implementations were hot garbage. NVIDIA, having already built decent drivers, is not going to see anywhere near the same improvements. Like OK maybe they go from 10% gain to 20% gain or something, whereas AMD is doubling in many circumstances. This still makes me wonder if AMD older cards were actually better than Nvidia counterparts and that it's just been poo poo drivers this entire time holding AMD back.
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Gwaihir posted:Screw the benchmark numbers, is that a new Supcom-looking game I see?! If there's no rate-based economy, I don't want it  Yes, "SupCom2" I'm looking at you  FaustianQ posted:This still makes me wonder if AMD older cards were actually better than Nvidia counterparts and that it's just been poo poo drivers this entire time holding AMD back.
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FaustianQ posted:This still makes me wonder if AMD older cards were actually better than Nvidia counterparts and that it's just been poo poo drivers this entire time holding AMD back. Well, a 390X is a 290X with more memory, which makes absolutely no difference in this scenario. Since a 390X is now beating a GTX 980, I'm going to have to go with "yes". AMD has always been quite a bit higher on the raw specs (except for a few things like tesselation), they just failed to translate that into actual performance, except for stuff like GPGPU compute. That said, a sample size of one game on a recently-released API does not mean NVIDIA's reign of terror is over. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Aug 18, 2015 00:22
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Paul MaudDib posted:Well, a 390X is a 290X with more memory, which makes absolutely no difference in this scenario. Since a 390X is now beating a GTX 980, I'm going to have to go with "yes". AMD has always been quite a bit higher on the raw specs (except for a few things like tesselation), they just failed to translate that into actual performance, except for stuff like GPGPU compute. While that's true, it's still a little silver lining for AMD - they at least realize it was the driver/software piece causing performance issues and have devs to fix it. Just sucks that it's taken so long for them to get their act together, if they'd done this like 3-4 years ago they could still have a good share of the market (and maybe not have lost as much money). All speculation but it's nice to wonder how things would have panned out...
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Wait, what? I'd never heard the allergic employee thing, but yes, he does keep bees.
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:Isn't this the guy who released bees in the office after finding out an employee was allergic Lmao if true
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:Isn't this the guy who released bees in the office after finding out an employee was allergic If you're talking Wardell, yeah. The sexual harassment suit against him showed how fun Stardock must be to work for. Dude is also crazily invested in Gamergate crap on his twitter unsurprisingly.
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Party Plane Jones posted:If you're talking Wardell, yeah. The sexual harassment suit against him showed how fun Stardock must be to work for. Dude is also crazily invested in Gamergate crap on his twitter unsurprisingly.  I've found a human being that can make me side with Nvidia.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:As well as release a very powerful ozone killer Nah, it'll probably be butane. CFCs have only been used in extremely restricted circumstances for the last few decades. Thank goodness, too, since CFCs have to be some of the worst poo poo around: relentlessly destroying our protection against the sun is a loving awful consequence.
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Party Plane Jones posted:If you're talking Wardell, yeah. The sexual harassment suit against him showed how fun Stardock must be to work for. The lawsuit that was dismissed and that the plaintiff apologised for? That lawsuit? Or was there another one?
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Party Plane Jones posted:If you're talking Wardell, yeah. The sexual harassment suit against him showed how fun Stardock must be to work for. Dude is also crazily invested in Gamergate crap on his twitter unsurprisingly. Him being a gamergater is totally unsurprising considering he's been a shithead about politics in public since well before that became a thing.
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Sulman posted:The lawsuit that was dismissed and that the plaintiff apologised for? That lawsuit? Or was there another one? The apology was required by the settlement and he sued her after she filed the lawsuit. So, sure, she could have been lying and the apology was genuine. Ooooor she couldn't afford to fight Wardell in court.
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Good news for AMD is that their DX12 drivers appear to be as good as nVidia's. Bad news for AMD is that Fury X's still don't exist at retail apparently, checked newegg and there's 1 Fury and no Fury X's in stock, Amazon doesn't seem to have any Fury X's either. Holy hell the yields must be awful.
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 Please don't leak gamergate poo poo into this or any other threadAlereon fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Beautiful Ninja posted:Good news for AMD is that their DX12 drivers appear to be as good as nVidia's. Bad news for AMD is that Fury X's still don't exist at retail apparently, checked newegg and there's 1 Fury and no Fury X's in stock, Amazon doesn't seem to have any Fury X's either. Holy hell the yields must be awful. I've checked periodically (not sure why) and I've never once seem X's in stock other than the day of release
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So if I decide I don't like the pump noise on these hybrid coolers, what are my other cooling options for reference 980 Tis? In hindsight I'm wishing I'd got the MSIs and not worried too much about open-air being a problem for SLI, but here we are. E: they're Ti, not 980 Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Subjunctive posted:So if I decide I don't like the pump noise on these hybrid coolers, what are my other cooling options for reference 980s? In hindsight I'm wishing I'd got the MSIs and not worried too much about open-air being a problem for SLI, but here we are. I'll trade you my MSI 980ti cooler for your hybrid cooler. 
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:I'll trade you my MSI 980ti cooler for your hybrid cooler. If they were modular like that, and you had two, I'd totally be up for it.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Ah drat looks like the mounting holes are different... oh well Yeah, I actually have 980 Tis (miswrote above), but reference 980/Ti/X are all the same AFAICT.
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Subjunctive posted:Yeah, I actually have 980 Tis (miswrote above), but reference 980/Ti/X are all the same AFAICT. I was totally down and im sure you'd have little trouble finding another one, if they fit... which I dont think it would (not with the shroud and all)  
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Subjunctive posted:So if I decide I don't like the pump noise on these hybrid coolers, what are my other cooling options for reference 980 Tis? In hindsight I'm wishing I'd got the MSIs and not worried too much about open-air being a problem for SLI, but here we are. Corsair is making a hybrid kit http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-hg10-n980-gpu-liquid-cooling-bracket
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And the G10 bracket has apparently always fit, so if those pumps are indeed inherently noisy you can just buy another AIO I suppose.
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Subjunctive posted:So if I decide I don't like the pump noise on these hybrid coolers, what are my other cooling options for reference 980 Tis? In hindsight I'm wishing I'd got the MSIs and not worried too much about open-air being a problem for SLI, but here we are. Quite frankly your best option is to simply sell them on eBay and re-buy air-cooled ones. Finding an air-cooled module to slap on there is going to be a pain in the rear end, and/or will be rather expensive (like the $100 replacement HSF sets you could get for the 290X). Another option is to simply replace the pump portion with a different AIO: as the 980 kits will apparently still fit a 980Ti, you can grab something like the G10/HG10 and an AIO of your choice. Sell the hybrid portion to finance it (they go for ~$100 on eBay).
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Don Lapre posted:Corsair is making a hybrid kit DrDork posted:Quite frankly your best option is to simply sell them on eBay and re-buy air-cooled ones. Finding an air-cooled module to slap on there is going to be a pain in the rear end, and/or will be rather expensive (like the $100 replacement HSF sets you could get for the 290X). Yeah, I guess I'm worried that the noise floor of hybrids in general will be too high, given that the rads will be mounted on the front of the case and the computer sits on my desk. I'll see how it goes with one of them and then decide what to do. Would the Corsair ones really be much quieter than the EVGA ones? (Would it be better to  out and get the EK parts to cool both GPUs and the CPU off one loop, in terms of minimizing pump noise?)
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Where the rads are shouldn't matter if it's pump noise that's bothering you, since the pump is combined with the block in AIO's, rather than with the radiator (usually, anyhow). I've never heard the EVGA pumps myself, but I know the H110 I've played around with is near dead silent, and the Quiet Edition H55's are pretty well respected for their noise profile, too. If you've got a Fry's or MicroCenter around you, it might be worth wandering on over and seeing if they have any floor/demo models that you can try to listen to and see if it meets your needs.
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DrDork posted:Where the rads are shouldn't matter if it's pump noise that's bothering you. If I understand the AIO correctly the pump is by the rad, but maybe I'm not understanding that correctly! I thought that the only part on the card was the exchanger. I'll hit Fry's on the way home if I remember and see if they have anything that I can distinguish, that's a good idea. (Loud store I guess, but still should be informative.)
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The pump is in the heatsink for all AIO water cooling solutions.
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Thank you, that is very helpful to know.
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SlayVus posted:The pump is in the heatsink for all AIO water cooling solutions. ...did you mean "in the water block"? Because even that's not true. Swiftech's AIOs have it built into the reservoir hanging off the radiator. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:...did you mean "in the water block"? Because even that's not true. Swiftech's AIOs have it built into the reservoir hanging off the radiator. There are a few special snowflakes, but AFAIK all of Corsair and NZXT's AIO's use combined pump/water blocks, as does EVGA's hybrid kit.
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