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The roster I linked very likely included local/regional workers who were hired to work one or two shows. I know that one of the major databases out there--Cagematch, profightdb, Canoe Slam, I don't remember--had a nice easy layout of WWE and WCW's contracted roster stretching back for some years. But it wasn't simple to access from their frontpage, you had to use a sort-of-trick in the url to query the data, and I forgot how to do it.
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Luigi Thirty posted:What's the name of that book that describes how someone Bischoffed the gently caress out of Sony Pictures in the 90s? Hit & Run. Great book.
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Halloween Jack posted:The roster I linked very likely included local/regional workers who were hired to work one or two shows. I know that one of the major databases out there--Cagematch, profightdb, Canoe Slam, I don't remember--had a nice easy layout of WWE and WCW's contracted roster stretching back for some years. But it wasn't simple to access from their frontpage, you had to use a sort-of-trick in the url to query the data, and I forgot how to do it. I just know that at one point WCW's roster was about 240 wrestlers, probably including guys who jobbed to Goldberg in their only TV match. This would've been at the peak of their popularity when they were making a boatload of cash, so the thinking was "Let's buy up all these guys so WWF can't use them." And of course Vince was furious that he couldn't get a hold of Johnny Attitude or Rick Fuller.
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Aug 20, 2015 02:33
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I don't like to think about Marty Jannetty's WCW run.
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Aug 20, 2015 02:35
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ChrisBTY posted:According to the first doc WCW's roster ballooned from 78 to 99 over the course of that year. And I thought I was bad at restricting my roster in TEW. Pre-'96, WCW only ran with about 40 wrestlers per that site. They reached 100 by the time of Starrcade '97 and maintained that through '98. Some of that was borrowing talent from Japan and Mexico, but goddamn, that's a ton of new guys in 2 years.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Pre-'96, WCW only ran with about 40 wrestlers per that site. IIRC, by the time they started slashing costs, they were at like 220.
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Looking at the total roster, according to one database WCW had about 220 wrestlers in 1999 and 230 wrestlers in 2000. WWF had 215 and 208 for these years, respectively. However, these numbers may local wrestlers playing roles like "Goldberg's police escort" for a night. Here's a better picture, according to wrestlingdata (which I believe only tracks people who actually worked a match): In 1999, WWF had 185 people wrestle. Of these, 74 had 10 or more matches. WCW had 200 people wrestle. Of these, 103 had 10 or more matches. Interestingly, if you look at those who had 40, 50, 60 or more matches, WWF has more people--they had a smaller number of workers with greater exposure. In 2000, WWF had 163 people wrestle. Of these, 73 wrestlers had 10+ matches, 50 wrestlers had 50+ matches, and 43 had just one match. WCW had 205 people wrestle. Of these, 93 wrestlers had 10+ matches, 41 wrestlers had 50+ matches, and 40 had just one match.
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And buying plane tickets for all of them. The real tragedy of WCW'S fall is that we may never again see a wrestling company run with such blatant disregard for financial responsibility.
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Maxwell Lord posted:And buying plane tickets for all of them. Well, there's Lucha Underground 
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Aug 20, 2015 03:24
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Yeah, the stats can't even track poo poo like flying people to shows they weren't working and paying huge contracts to people who never wrestled.
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Maxwell Lord posted:And buying plane tickets for all of them. I seem to remember some wrestler being told he wouldn't be used again, but still getting sent plane tickets. I think he just got them refunded for the cash.
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Maxwell Lord posted:And buying plane tickets for all of them. First class plane tickets for many of them, too. Jesus, how much was that to fly in the entire roster? They had to be blowing $40,000 a week on airfare when they had 100 guys. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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my favorite was when they flew ultimo dragon to west loving virginia from japan only to tell him he wasn't being used. i bet that was a real fun waste of his time
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When you guys are talking flying a wrestler out to an event/s, does that mean buying 1 return ticket from his home town to the city of said event/s? Or was it done the way WWE does it, (as far as I know), Where they fly wrestlers out from their home town to the city of the firs t event, then they have to make their way around the other cities on the tour, and WWE flies them home from the last city? It would be way more WCW if they were paying for, say, NY to Tampa, back to NY, then NY to Detroit and back to NY, then on to Toronto and back, (with aforementioned international visa issues). This leads to the question, when they were flying Ultimo Dragon from Japan to WV and back as the poster above me says, did WCW deal with the Visas? coz with how incompetent they were with money, booking, and everything else, and having had to negotiate working visas for several countries for myself, I can see WCW loving up royally and ruining peoples international careers.
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WCW was like Ruthless Aggression WWE at times because they brought a lot of guys in, gave them a flimsy gimmick/no gimmick that would never get over, made them undercard geeks, and then fired them for not getting over; the Braden Walker treatmen, basically. Mark Starr, Jack Boot, 911-as-Tombstone as I previously mentioned, Roadblock I guess, Jerry Lynn as Mr. JL, High Voltage... the frivolity was insane because, as noted, it's not as though they didn't have a roster full of geeks who could job to anybody at any time. Like you have Rick Fuller whose position is "big guy who jobs", plus two or three others in that mold in case Fuller jobs out too hard; why hire 911 at that point? DynamiteKidd fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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So that WWF couldn't have him. That was likely the cause of a lot of WCW's hirings. They had no use for Al Poling but they didn't want WWF to turn him into something that could be used against them either. And it's all on Turner's dime, so who cares about the overhead?
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Aug 20, 2015 08:25
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When WCW went under they must have taken so many airlines with them, Christ.
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Grendels Dad posted:When WCW went under they must have taken so many airlines with them, Christ. 9/11 happened only a few months later, so the long-term effects of losing the WCW patronage were dwarfed by the battering airlines took after that.
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Memento posted:9/11 happened only a few months later, so the long-term effects of losing the WCW patronage were dwarfed by the battering airlines took after that. 9/11 could have been avoided if those planes had been full with the WCW roster, they could have overpowered the hijackers easily. Thus, 9/11 was indirectly WCW's fault.
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Curt Hennig's been known to take a swing at a guy while on a plane, at least
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Alain Post posted:I don't like to think about Marty Jannetty's WCW run. Why? He showed up half a dozen times, to job in decent matches.
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Every Marty appearance on Nitro is small taste of what could have been in Marty wasn't such a fuckup. Maybe he didn't have the charisma to be Shawn, but he was pretty overqualified for the role of 'intermittent WCW jobber'
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DynamiteKidd posted:Curt Hennig's been known to take a swing at a guy while on a plane, at least If Marty Jannetty had been on the plane, then the hijackers would have been unconscious before it took off.
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At least two of the babyfaces would join the hijackers as a swerve.
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Alain Post posted:At least two of the babyfaces would join the hijackers as a swerve. ISIS is really just the NWO when you get right down to it. We just need to know who the Third Man is.
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Say Nothing posted:I seem to remember some wrestler being told he wouldn't be used again, but still getting sent plane tickets. I think he just got them refunded for the cash.
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I mentioned it a while back, but at least in '98, Roddy Piper always got first-class tickets from Portland to Vegas to Nitro and so did Mike Tenay, from Vegas.
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Halloween Jack posted:But they also sometimes bought the same wrestler 2 tickets, and they cashed in the extra one.
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DynamiteKidd posted:WCW was like Ruthless Aggression WWE at times because they brought a lot of guys in, gave them a flimsy gimmick/no gimmick that would never get over, made them undercard geeks, and then fired them for not getting over; the Braden Walker treatmen, basically. Mark Starr, Jack Boot, 911-as-Tombstone as I previously mentioned, Roadblock I guess, Jerry Lynn as Mr. JL, High Voltage... the frivolity was insane because, as noted, it's not as though they didn't have a roster full of geeks who could job to anybody at any time. Mr JL was Lynn's idea because he saw how big power rangers was
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Sanguinia posted:ISIS is really just the NWO when you get right down to it. We just need to know who the Third Man is. Balding uber tanned middle aged man. You do the math.
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The Dinner and a Movie guys just joined ISIS Wolfpac!!!
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Chris Benoy did 9/11
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Grendels Dad posted:9/11 could have been avoided if those planes had been full with the WCW roster, they could have overpowered the hijackers easily. Thus, 9/11 was indirectly WCW's fault. Hello new short story idea.
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Grendels Dad posted:9/11 could have been avoided if those planes had been full with the WCW roster, they could have overpowered the hijackers easily. Thus, 9/11 was indirectly WCW's fault. They'd probably argue about who would do the pinfall and go over until it was too late. Vince Russo would demand that the hijackers no-sell every finisher because 'the audience will never expect it, bro'.
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Sanguinia posted:We just need to know who the Third Man is. Orson Welles
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Grendels Dad posted:When WCW went under they must have taken so many airlines with them, Christ. Hacksaw said he has 2 million miles on Delta.
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Didn't Paul Heyman and a bunch of the other wrestlers use to scam WCW by claiming they did not get the ticket and selling back the first one?
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bobkatt013 posted:Didn't Paul Heyman and a bunch of the other wrestlers use to scam WCW by claiming they did not get the ticket and selling back the first one? Yes, and in true WCW fashion they were so disorganized they kept falling for it. See also: Jericho getting sent empty Manila envelopes.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Yes, and in true WCW fashion they were so disorganized they kept falling for it. See also: Jericho getting sent empty Manila envelopes. He also got a royalty cheque for 34 cents....the postage would have been more expensive than the cheque
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Just noticed "The Music of WCW" is on Spotify. Obviously none of the production tracks are on there, and for some reason they didn't include Disco Inferno's theme (Boogie Knights made it, though, along with two other Alex Wright themes!) but it does have Rap Is Crap, the Wolfpac theme and AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES AMERICAN MALES 
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