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Wheat Loaf posted:Did any of the show's artists or animators ever produce any concept art of what Curare's face was meant to look like? 
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Raygereio posted:Supposedly this is concept art of her face. bonerkiller
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prefect posted:I may be misremembering, but didn't Earth X Reed stretch his brain so that he could use Professor X-style telepathy? Kind of, he needed to use cerebro so he re shaped his brain to be more like Xavier's
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Say Nothing posted:Terry is Batman's son, via some genetic manipulation by Amanda Waller. He was bred to be the next Batman. Close. Terry's a clone of Bruce, made by Waller. Everything leading up to him becoming Batman was orchestrated by her organization, including the murder of his "father", which is some Boys From Brazil level stuff Opopanax posted:Kind of, he needed to use cerebro so he re shaped his brain to be more like Xavier's I thought he used an MRI Printout to shape it just like Xavier's.
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Aug 24, 2015 18:34
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EDIT: Nevermind, I don't want to derail things more than they have been derailed.
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Aug 24, 2015 18:58
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Choco1980 posted:Close. Terry's a clone of Bruce, made by Waller. Everything leading up to him becoming Batman was orchestrated by her organization, including the murder of his "father", which is some Boys From Brazil level stuff
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Choco1980 posted:Close. Terry's a clone of Bruce, made by Waller. Everything leading up to him becoming Batman was orchestrated by her organization, including the murder of his "father", which is some Boys From Brazil level stuff No, that's what Terry thinks happened before Waller explains herself. Terry's dad had his reproductive DNA overwritten with Bruce's... somehow, it's CADMUS tech so whatever. And they were going to kill Terry's parents but their assassin backed out at the last second and the whole operation shut itself down after that. Terry became Batman anyway because destiny or random chance or something. Also there's the implication that Terry's parents split up because of Waller's fuckery, since even if there's no infidelity in the marriage having two kids who look nothing like their dad has got to be a strain.
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Grendels Dad posted:I imagine Peter became the world's greatest pro wrestler in a world where Uncle Ben lived. Peter sort of became the Manhattan Guardian. Fighting crime, then calling up Jameson to give him a heads up on the scoop. Though that's in a world where Auny May got shot instead. In the world where he simply stopped the burglar when he had the chance, Peter became a gigantic Hollywood jackass to such a point that Jameson started the Sinister Six to kill him.
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Gavok posted:Peter sort of became the Manhattan Guardian. Fighting crime, then calling up Jameson to give him a heads up on the scoop. And he put Daredevil on retainer to be a superhero. And he had a cape!
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Alacron posted:No, that's what Terry thinks happened before Waller explains herself. Terry's dad had his reproductive DNA overwritten with Bruce's... somehow, it's CADMUS tech so whatever. And they were going to kill Terry's parents but their assassin backed out at the last second and the whole operation shut itself down after that. Terry became Batman anyway because destiny or random chance or something. And that assassin? Andrea Beaumont, AKA The Phantasm.
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Aug 24, 2015 21:22
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Zeroisanumber posted:And that assassin? Andrea Beaumont, AKA The Phantasm. Even better, in the BB comics it's revealed the person who ended up killing Terry's father in the series pilot was the grandnephew of Joe Chill.
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Aug 24, 2015 21:55
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Each revelation more stupid than the last.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Even better, in the BB comics it's revealed the person who ended up killing Terry's father in the series pilot was the grandnephew of Joe Chill. The BB comics are loving terrible. The JLU retcon wasn't great but holy poo poo. Tim becoming BB was a mercy kill for Terry. 
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Aug 24, 2015 22:05
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Evil Mastermind posted:Even better, in the BB comics it's revealed the person who ended up killing Terry's father in the series pilot was the grandnephew of Joe Chill.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:38
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FilthyImp posted:Who becomes a vigilante to atone for his sins!!! Called "Vigilante"! It just keeps going.
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Aug 24, 2015 23:41
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Wait so someone shot Terry's dad's testicles full of Bruce's sperm instead? 
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Aug 25, 2015 01:18
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SynthOrange posted:Wait so someone shot Terry's dad's testicles full of Bruce's sperm instead? Yeah, and for some reason everyone involved thought "this is a really good idea and doesn't retroactively ruin our TV series"
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Gavok posted:Peter sort of became the Manhattan Guardian. Fighting crime, then calling up Jameson to give him a heads up on the scoop. As opposed to the world where Jameson personally funds The Scorpion, and multiple generations of "Spider-Slayers"?
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Skwirl posted:As opposed to the world where Jameson personally funds The Scorpion, and multiple generations of "Spider-Slayers"? He wanted those guys to defeat Spider-man, not kill him.
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Aug 25, 2015 07:50
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drat Terry's dad got life's short end of the stick. Turns out your handsome athlete son has nothing to do with you genetically, your boss is a maniac, and then you get killed by juggalos.
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Lurdiak posted:He wanted those guys to defeat Spider-man, not kill him. He didn't want the Spider-Slayers to kill Spider-Man? For a newspaper man Jameson's grasp of the English language is a little troubling.
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Aug 25, 2015 08:06
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Hey, go back to posting more badass panels and less chat about those panels. We're here for the pictures with words not just words.
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Rough Lobster posted:drat Terry's dad got life's short end of the stick. Turns out your handsome athlete son has nothing to do with you genetically, your boss is a maniac, and then you get killed by juggalos. He's killed by his boss's goons-the clowns were a red herring set up by them to shift blame.
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X-O posted:Hey, go back to posting more badass panels and less chat about those panels. We're here for the pictures with words not just words. Right on. I debated putting this in the touching/inspiring panels thread, but it's a little of bit of both, so I'll put it here. Avengers #34.1: Here's Hyperion, (one of) Marvel's resident Superman knockoff(s), stopping a kidnapping.         And now the sad part: http://i.imgur.com/x18Deqv.jpg?1 http://i.imgur.com/juHdbC4.jpg?1 e: edited for size TwoPair fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 00:17
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I always used to complain about Superman knockoffs, and while I still do in general, that one issue made me so happy for Hyperion's existance. That is exactly how Superman should be written.
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That's a great single issue story, my favorite single issue last year actually, but that's way too many pages. Try to limit your full pages please and remove some of that.WickedHate posted:I always used to complain about Superman knockoffs, and while I still do in general, that one issue made me so happy for Hyperion's existance. That is exactly how Superman should be written. On this I could not disagree more. That's the opposite of how Superman should be written. It being so different to how Superman should be is what makes it such a good issue. It's what makes Hyperion more than just a Superman ripoff as he's always been. It makes him more of his own character. And I'm talking specifically on how the issue deals with Hyperion's place in the world and him being a constant outcast. Him wanting to talk it over instead of fight is definitely in line with what Superman should be, but the rest of the book paints a picture of someone so disconnected with their surroundings and so completely on the outside that he struggles to connect with humanity at all. That is the opposite of what Superman should be. X-O fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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X-O posted:On this I could not disagree more. That's the opposite of how Superman should be written. It being so different to how Superman should be is what makes it such a good issue. It's what makes Hyperion more than just a Superman ripoff as he's always been. It makes him more of his own character. Hyperion rocks, and I can accept him as his own person while also acknowleging he was made in this world to be a knock off, but the attitude and goals are the same, despite the more alien outlook and harder time feeling like he belongs compared to Clark Kent. That's what I'm talking about. He's not being portrayed as an exact clone of Superman, I just think that's a much closer direction than a lot of official Superman stuff.
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This Hyperion material is the most badass thing that's been posted here in weeks. X-O, why should superman be deeply connected and fully in sync with humanity? At that point he's afforded a level of absolute moral and physical superiority that makes him, at best, uninteresting, and frequently, what this comic calls "the biggest bully in the playground". Absent the struggle of connecting with or reacting to humanity, there's no longer any sense of tension, change or development with Superman- the classic problem of the character.
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Discendo Vox posted:the classic problem of the character. The classic problem with the character is bad writers who can't concieve of anyone being as strong as Superman or a conflict that isn't immediately solvable with his abilities.
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Discendo Vox posted:This Hyperion material is the most badass thing that's been posted here in weeks. The great contradiction of Superman is that he is an alien defined by his humanity. The thing that makes him Superman isn't the godlike power of his Kryptonian heritage, it's his Mister Rogers-level decency, which he learned from his human parents. Despite being beyond human in every physical way, he is entirely dependent on his connection to humanity. He's a super man. The contrast is often most clearly depicted when he's contrasted against other Kryptonians, who didn't have a human upbringing. Unless you ask Zack Snyder. Then he's a confused alien who doesn't understand the concept of innocent bystanders.
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Chaos Hippy posted:The great contradiction of Superman is that he is an alien defined by his humanity. The thing that makes him Superman isn't the godlike power of his Kryptonian heritage, it's his Mister Rogers-level decency, which he learned from his human parents. Despite being beyond human in every physical way, he is entirely dependent on his connection to humanity. He's a super man. The contrast is often most clearly depicted when he's contrasted against other Kryptonians, who didn't have a human upbringing. Nailed it.
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I was born with the John Williams theme stuck in my head. This poo poo's in my blood.
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There's hundreds of superheroes out there, whether a portion of the fanbase thinks it's boring or not the one that should always be above reproach is Superman. He should always have more faith in man that man does in him. That's all due to his understanding and compassion for people. That more than anything is what makes Superman above reproach. Hyperion in that issue is a character struggling to try and be that and that's incredibly interesting and good way to make him more than just a ripoff, but for Superman that's all he knows. That's his character. There's no struggle to overcome and connect. X-O fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Chaos Hippy posted:The great contradiction of Superman is that he is an alien defined by his humanity. The thing that makes him Superman isn't the godlike power of his Kryptonian heritage, it's his Mister Rogers-level decency, which he learned from his human parents. Despite being beyond human in every physical way, he is entirely dependent on his connection to humanity. He's a super man. The contrast is often most clearly depicted when he's contrasted against other Kryptonians, who didn't have a human upbringing. Basically, Superman is Clark Kent, not Kal-El. I hate it when people in comics call him by his Kryptonian name and he accepts it. He got that name when he was a day old. It's like saying an adopted kid is defined by where he is born, not where he was raised in.
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Chaos Hippy posted:The great contradiction of Superman is that he is an alien defined by his humanity. The thing that makes him Superman isn't the godlike power of his Kryptonian heritage, it's his Mister Rogers-level decency, which he learned from his human parents. Despite being beyond human in every physical way, he is entirely dependent on his connection to humanity. He's a super man. The contrast is often most clearly depicted when he's contrasted against other Kryptonians, who didn't have a human upbringing. This is it exactly. Regardless of WHAT the situation does, Clark devotes his life to at least always trying to do what's the very best choice, the most right. That's often times not at all the easiest to perform, nor the easiest to accept. It's not his super strength or his flight or his nigh invulnerability that make him super, it's his unwavering character, one that all humankind can look up to and hope to ascribe to that are why he's the best superhero. He doesn't turn it into moral superiority either, he's just doing the absolute best he can at all times. It took me a long time to see all this instead of having the stereotypical kid attitude of thinking of him as the "big blue boyscout" and preferring the grimdark and brooding heroes, but once I did, I think I kinda even gained more of a respect and hope for humanity as a whole, and what we can achieve. And drat, if you don't see that as a superpower, than I don't know what to say to you. (Also, it's nice to hear someone besides myself use the "Not a Superman, but a super Man" argument)
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I want to be clear that I agree with all this and that I wasn't including the alienation in "How Superman should be written".
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DarkCrawler posted:Basically, Superman is Clark Kent, not Kal-El. I hate it when people in comics call him by his Kryptonian name and he accepts it. He got that name when he was a day old. It's like saying an adopted kid is defined by where he is born, not where he was raised in. This is why in Kingdom Come, Diana balks at calling him Clark and reverts to calling him Kal-El. When, in that story, he finally cant deal with identifying with humanity and withdraws, Diana calls him by his natural name - what being "human" means has changed, and Kal is no longer part of it.
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DarkCrawler posted:Basically, Superman is Clark Kent, not Kal-El. I hate it when people in comics call him by his Kryptonian name and he accepts it. He got that name when he was a day old. It's like saying an adopted kid is defined by where he is born, not where he was raised in. Yes, precisely this. I recall that panel with Superman and Nightwing in a park running into a security guard who comments that the park must be really safe with the two of them patrolling it, and Superman replies with "The three of us". The thing I feel like a lot of people don't get is that when he says things like that, he means it. He's this invincible supergod who thinks that an ordinary guy putting on a uniform and doing his small part to protect people is just as admirable as anything he's done as Superman. Possibly even more admirable, because that dude's not bulletproof. Edit: In an effort to not drag this derail any further (seriously, I could do this for days), I'll squeeze my last thought into this post: It honestly really annoys me when people refer to Superman's unwavering good guy attitude as "old fashioned", because that opinion is just completely divorced from reality. Humanity's go-to response to the majority of problems, for most of our 10,000 years of recorded history, has been violence and brutality. We are, by our very nature, bloodthirsty and territorial creatures. The word "genocide" was first coined in 1944 because, before the last three or four centuries, wiping entire cultures off the face of the earth for whatever reason suited you wasn't all that controversial. Solving problems through peaceful action, and treating enemies (or even the people you're meant to protect) with compassion is a very new concept. To me personally, that's what it means when Superman is referred to as the "Man of Tomorrow". He represents the idealised future of human development, in much the same way that Star Trek does. I'd cap this off with a badass Superman panel if I had one handy. haitfais fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Basically, Superman is Clark Kent, not Kal-El. I hate it when people in comics call him by his Kryptonian name and he accepts it. He got that name when he was a day old. It's like saying an adopted kid is defined by where he is born, not where he was raised in. Likewise, this is why I hate stuff like Superman worshipping Kryptonian gods and studying Kryptonian martial arts. It's trying to make Superman more alien just so it can... I don't know, make him a unique special snowflake? Also, didn't the Silver Age have a weird thing where Supes would refer to the Kents as his "foster parents" or something? I remember this weird undercurrent of, "Yeah they're nice and all but they're not his real parents" that pissed me off.
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Terrible Horse posted:This is why in Kingdom Come, Diana balks at calling him Clark and reverts to calling him Kal-El. When, in that story, he finally cant deal with identifying with humanity and withdraws, Diana calls him by his natural name - what being "human" means has changed, and Kal is no longer part of it. It's kind of the opposite of that, Diana doesn't balk, she calls him Clark out of habit and he stares her down until she calls him "Kal". He's withdrawn because Lois and his parents have died, and he's shut out his human side because of the pain. Being human means dealing with death and loss, and he can't handle it - he says "They're earthlings, they die." He doesn't want to be Clark if it means feeling their loss. Even toward the middle of the story he's still running from Clark's pain and treats him like a different person. When he's telling Diana the story about Brainiac he says he hid part of him in a Pulitzer in 'Clark's' apartment.
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