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Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

You like water do ya? Fresh, potable water eh?

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Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

ronya posted:

Singapore has a population in the ballpark of Norway or Denmark (~5m), it cannot subsist on the Liechtenstein/Bermuda model of a concentrated financial haven
I was using hyperbole. Anyway the PAP has been cashing in on regional corruption big time since the 90s, when they threw open the financial doors to foreign tax evaders and other dodgy elements. Then they opened up casinos when they needed another source of growth in the 2000s.

quote:

rather, Singapore revolves around value-adding to imports which are then re-exported; this only works because the stuff is being transshipped there anyway.
Yes and SG is competitive in this space despite its unfavorable cost base because its neighbors are corrupt over regulated basket cases. Otherwise all those factories and warehouses would be in Johor or Batam.

quote:

its dominant trade partners are either Malaysia or EU/US/JP, not its sketchier immediate neighbors
Malaysia isn't sketchy as hell when it comes to corruption? Really?

quote:

I mean, it's not wrong, sketchy cronies from immediate neighbours do put their money in Singapore, but that's not the primary economic activity
No but it's a prestige industry that disproportionately employs Singaporean elites and funds their lifestyles. Oh yeah not to mention it helps to provide those all important SWF returns.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
The factories and warehouses are, increasingly, in Johor (not so much Batam, which lacks a sufficiently deep port or land links to anywhere useful). But there are Bumiputera ownership requirement problems and a weak labour supply. If you need low-skilled workers who can't speak English, you may as well just go straight to Vietnam. Malaysia is the in middle-income neither-here-nor-there trap.

There are obvious food-and-nonoil-commodities reasons for trade with Malaysia to be substantive; these are not high financial flows.

Malaysia is indeed corrupt (cough "campaign donations" cough) but there's Malaysia-levels of corrupt (#50 on the 2014 CPI) and then there's Indonesia (#107) or China (#100) or Vietnam (#119) or Nepal (#126), sitting in the ballpark of luminaries like Mexico (#103). Malaysia is pretty corrupt. It still ranks better than Greece and Italy (#69), for perspective! Be reasonable. Are you intending to be hyperbolic, or do you seriously object to the typical characterization of relative levels of dysfunction?

Singapore's SWFs have a portfolio composed principally of formerly nationalized industries, you don't need to make stuff up there either. In the 1990s the SWFs began branching out, true, but into international equity rather than local financial industry. The casino resort is owned by a publicly-listed American corporation, not CapitaLand or the SWF's more well-known majority-owned subsidiaries

(Is this the Roy Ngerng disease or something? A conviction that there must be something dreadfully rotten in the state of Singapore, something that is necessarily philosophically epitomic of the neoliberal oppression of global capital or whatnot? It's not enough for there to be pedestrian first-world-small-open-economy problems, Singapore must be a nexus in the global drama of capitalist crisis? It's not enough for the PAP to be exercising a petty stranglehold via gerrymandering and elaborate blurring of the lines between achievements of the civil service and those of the incumbent party, it must also be squirreling illicit funds away to fund "lifestyles"? They are paid those famously high salaries. You can look those up. It's not a mystery)

ronya fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Aug 22, 2015

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Gail Wynand posted:

Singapore's raison d'ętre is cashing in on its neighbors' corruption. They have a fancy airline and airport to get you in, casinos for laundering your cash, bank secrecy and a favorable tax regime for stashing it, and high end shopping/restaurants/hotels/investment property for spending it. Kind of like Vegas, except with a way more desirable location.

Then Singapore Inc. turns around and invests the profits from the above into selling expensive capital goods/military hardware to regional governments and companies, so they get the corrupt elites coming and going.

Meanwhile Singapore's private sector runs on surplus educated youths from around the region who have no avenue for success at home and buy into the Singapore myth of meritocracy. If they're ethnic Chinese they even have a chance of succeeding.

I'm not sure I see the problem here.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I'm not sure I see the problem here.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
Can't get enough of this poo poo. It would be funny if it weren't so dangerous, and if it weren't emblematic of how police in the whole region tend to operate.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/25/bangkok-bombing-broken-security-cameras-add-to-investigators-woes

quote:

Police in Thailand say they have used their “imagination” to piece together the movements of the prime suspect in a bomb attack at a shrine last week that killed 20 people because most of the security cameras on the getaway route were broken.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Also this:

quote:

Last Thursday Prayuth suggested Thai police might want to use inspiration from the hit American crime series Blue Blood, according to the Bangkok Post.

“Police investigators, especially the national police chiefs, should watch this series – they will get tips, ideas and insights for their case,” he was quoted as saying about the show, which stars Tom Selleck as an irreverent New York police commissioner and Vietnam war veteran.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
Oh god I didn't even bother reading down that far. Incredible.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
There's life imitating art, and then there's the head of your military junta recommending that the country's police force get a netflix account so they can learn how to do their jobs.

Do most Thai police just get their jobs from connections, or is there some sort of actual training and selection process involved?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


So they "caught" the dude.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/29/us-thailand-blast-idUSKCN0QY07O20150829

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
The whole Turkish angle is weird but not impossible. Tony Davis, Janes's SEA analyst, suspects the nationalist Grey Wolves, but I'm not sure what tip he's working for that specific angle. My understanding is that the Turkish government reached some sort of behind the scenes compromise on some of the Uighurs but some elements weren't satisfied. I actually saw a bunch of them last year in immigration detention before they were repatriated (while visiting another detained ethnic group) so AMA about Bangkok immigration detention.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
As I mentioned in the travel thread, it's unlikely that Thailand would scapegoat a Turkish national. Even if this guy is incidental to the bombing, he was definitely involved in something. Thailand is sort of like France prior to the disco bombings of the 1980s. In other words, Thailand is considered a hands off safe zone by everybody, and the flip side of that is the Thai authorities don't interfere with foreign people coming and going unless they either A) create problems by doing something that's really bad here or B) hit the radar of a very powerful country and there is a lot of pressure to detain them. Viktor Bout or Hambali are examples of the latter, the Iranian bomb-makers from a few years ago and - probably (don't know yet, could be a mistake) - this guy are examples of the former. If all you want to do is stay here for a while, meet with your other criminal buddies and plan some things and then leave and do them, it will be hands off as long as you are off of the radar of the major powers.

Turkey is not like the world's most powerful country, but it is a fairly influential country in certain spheres and right now it is a very sensitive ally of the Americans and Europeans who would not want them pissed off and would have definitely done some back room talking in Thailand over this Uighur issue, so there are many reasons that Thailand would not want to get in a direct spat with Turkey if it was unavoidable. That's why I think this guy probably was really involved in something.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Just caught this:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/security/673708/phone-data-leads-to-bomb-arrest

If they were actually using international roaming, and this is all accurate, boy are they f****** stupid. The Thai authorities are seen as bumbling when it comes to police work because they don't usually actually want to solve anything, but when they actually want to get to the bottom of something they can be pretty drat effective. Not to mention they would have offers of help from every major intelligence agency in the world if they wanted. Using an international cell phone like that is hilarious in a country where you could still get the SIM card for $3 off the rack without a passport in many many shops.

In any case, it sounds like there is definitely something up here that is legit. That's not the usual scant amount of detail, that is a lot of specific detail.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Aug 30, 2015

KidVanguard
Jan 27, 2006

American Diaper
Thai police give themselves the 3 million baht reward for their "talent and ability" (the bomber hasn't been caught yet).

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
The DNA evidence appears to show that Blue Steel from the other day is NOT the father bomber

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thailand-bangkok-erawan-shrine-bomber-on-loose-suspect-ruled-out/

So the hunt for Yellowman or the appropriate scapegoat continues.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

CronoGamer posted:

The DNA evidence appears to show that Blue Steel from the other day is NOT the father bomber

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thailand-bangkok-erawan-shrine-bomber-on-loose-suspect-ruled-out/

So the hunt for Yellowman or the appropriate scapegoat continues.
Blue steel wasn't supposed to be the bomber, he was a bomb maker they believed was tied to the bombing. The second guy arrested near the border (or as likely in Cambodia and handed over) was supposed to be the bomber. The photo they used makes it confusing. However, they still tied all these guys to the bomb-making/stocking condo back in Bangkok:

quote:

"Now we don't have any evidence to say that he is the yellow-shirted man ... from the investigation maybe he is not (the yellow-shirted man)," Prawut told reporters.

"However, he is definitely involved with the bombing," he said

The police are certain of that because his DNA was found in the two apartments on the outskirts of Bangkok from where bomb making materials were also found, Prawut said.

"He was staying at both places," Prawut said. "This means that the man is involved in bomb-stocking places."

Another suspect who was arrested from one of the apartments on Saturday has also been ruled out as being the bomber. Police have identified seven other suspects for whom arrests warrants have been issued.
I really thought the second guy looked the part, but if it's not him it's not him. You can tell the RTP are using the actual A team here and not scapegoating for one simple reason: when they scapegoat and let the usual coverup crowd run things every suspect did it and nothing ever rules them out of anything.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

I really love the idea that Thai police have two separate teams for actual investigations and scapegoating. Like there's an office where they just have a pinboard with pictures divided up by ethnicity ready to go.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
It's more like they have people like the ones Chalerm's kids murdered and then they have the ones like Chalerm's kids and they all know that when poo poo actually needs to get done there need to take their heels off the ones Chalerm's kids shoot.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
For those tuning in to this week's tragicomedy in Singapore, some analysis by Cherian George

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
For those curious, the incumbent People's Action Party roared to victory with a popular vote margin of 69.9%, the highest since the last Goh Chok Tong government election (in 2001, which got a 75.3%)

the Singapore Democratic Party vote share in Holland-Bukit Timah slid despite the popular Chee Soon Juan returning from bankruptcy to contest it, and the Worker's Party vote share in Aljunied slid to 50.95%.

it remains to be seen whether this is interpreted to be due to the PAP "move left", the SG50 semicentennial, the LKY funeral aura, infighting amongst the opposition, or whatnot.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
In other regional news, gently caress the haze.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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if it stops the Kuala Lumpur malay supremacy "Being Racist is Cool & Good" rally or turns it into a massive wet fart it will be the only time i'm grateful for the haze

lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

They're going to do it sooner or later. :(

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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lemonadesweetheart posted:

They're going to do it sooner or later. :(

i know :(

Lanky Coconut Tree
Apr 7, 2011

An angry tree.

The angriest tree
betting hoping they turn out in the same numbers as the redshirts during bersih

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
My bad bitch Grace Poe declared for the 2016 Philippine presidential election today.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/106104-grace-poe-offer-myself-president

So psyched. Eat a dick Binay. Lol at the LP trying to the bitter end to have her run as VP to Mar Roxas

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

CronoGamer posted:

My bad bitch Grace Poe declared for the 2016 Philippine presidential election today.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/106104-grace-poe-offer-myself-president

So psyched. Eat a dick Binay. Lol at the LP trying to the bitter end to have her run as VP to Mar Roxas

They're all poo poo dogg; I have never seen a selection of candidates where not a single one seems like a good bet or even the least worst bet until now

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
What complaints do you have about Poe? In all my reading on her it seems like the only thing people can attack her on is inexperience, but I'd prefer that to incompetence or crookedness. The opposition's only strategy against her is legitimately the crackpot Birther "strategy" to discredit Obama in 2012.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

CronoGamer posted:

What complaints do you have about Poe? In all my reading on her it seems like the only thing people can attack her on is inexperience, but I'd prefer that to incompetence or crookedness. The opposition's only strategy against her is legitimately the crackpot Birther "strategy" to discredit Obama in 2012.

In fairness I was going to pick her over everyone else at first, but her blatant bid for more votes during the INC thing was a real turnoff. On the practical side, I think she's pulling from the same pool of voters as Roxas is, and running for the seat does nothing but split the vote between them and give Binay an actual chance to win.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007






Redshirts repeatedly try to break past the police line into KL's Chinatown. Eventually they get blasted by watercannons. :lol:

wid
Sep 7, 2005
Living in paradise (only bombed once)

SynthOrange posted:






Redshirts repeatedly try to break past the police line into KL's Chinatown. Eventually they get blasted by watercannons. :lol:

What's going on here?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

The rally - organised by the National Silat Federation (Pesaka), whose head is an Umno leader, Tan Sri Mohd Ali Mohd Rustam - is meant to counter last month's huge demonstration by electoral reform group Bersih, which some Malay groups see as a bid by the Chinese to usurp political power.

That rally demanded the resignation of Mr Najib over financial scandals involving state investor 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB). Footage of the Bersih rally, the fourth since 2007, showed some people stomping on pictures of the Prime Minister.

Among those attending Wednesday's rally was Mr Haji Nasir Rasyid, 80, a retired army officer with the rank of sergeant mayor. "I am here today to show Malay solidarity, that we are still solid. I am here today for Malay dignity, for the nation and the country."

"If Bersih can show off, we can also show off. If Bersih tries to be funny, we can do even more as I am ex army,'' said Mr Haji.

The Pesaka president had said the rally on Wednesday was to remind the people to respect their leaders and was open to all races.

Organisers on Wednesday lashed out at those who have criticised the rally as being racist, claiming that defending one’s race is allowed in Islam.

“We are tolerant towards other races. We allow them to get education and earn a living here. What is wrong in being racist when we are not cruel to others?” Ketereh MP Tan Sri Annuar Musa, one of the rally organisers said. He added that rally participants had been paid to attend but said he felt that there was nothing wrong with it.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/red-shirt-protesters-gather-in-kuala-lumpur-city-centre-ahead-of-rally

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2015/09/16/preparations-for-red-shirts-rally-go-into-full-swing/

Also:

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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It's basically the "racism is cool, and good" rally that is now obviously endorsed by UMNO and also resulting into a wet fart; they promised 1 million people and paid rural folks to come in buses to attend, but only have maybe 50k at most (they claimed it was 300k which lol)

It also ended with violence because the racists wanted to trash the Chinese-owned stores in Petaling St and the police refused them entry, it's great

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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Also lol:


“I am racist,” said Umno Supreme Council member Tan Sri Annuar Musa, when trying to justify the racial overtones of today’s “red shirt” rally in Kuala Lumpur. 

However, he stressed that his “racism was based on Islam”.

Anuar, who was the last speaker at today’s “Himpunan Rakyat Bersatu”, said racism was allowed in Islam, except when it involved oppressing others.

The Malay community in Malaysia was the most tolerant ethnic group in the world, Anuar said, adding that in Indonesia, ethnic Chinese Indonesians were not even allowed to use Chinese names. 

“I am racist but it’s racism based on Islam. Racism is allowed in Islam,” Annuar told reporters at the end of the rally at Padang Merbok, which he claimed attracted 250,000 people. 

Annuar then quoted a hadith (a saying of the Prophet) on assobiyah (Arabic term for pride in one's tribe) which he interpreted as justifying racism.

Critics of today's rally have said it could incite ethnic tensions for its insistence on defending Malay supremacy and honour.

Annuar also admitted that some of the rally participants were sponsored but claimed that Bersih 4's organisers also paid people to attend  their rally on the Merdeka weekend. – September 16, 2015.

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/i-am-racist-and-my-racism-based-on-islam-says-umnos-annuar-musa#sthash.ZPcuTZTM.dpuf

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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Even more lol, Umno is unable to follow their own script and keep s contradicting themselves:



The 'Himpunan Rakyat Bersatu' yesterday was not racist, according to Umno supreme council member Mohd Sharkar Shamsudin, who said the rally did not touch on sensitivities of other races and faiths.

The web portal Umno-Online quoted him as saying that the rally was only to "teach a lesson" to those who try to cause trouble with the Malays, especially the Islamic religion.

Read more: https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/312598

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Hey everyone! Come join our 'Tell the Chinese to stop being uppity!' rally. It's a cool chance to show support for a near lifelong political crony who has been show to have stolen billions from your and yours! Also it's somehow a defence of our poor oppressed and under threat officially enforced State religion.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

Hey everyone! Come join our 'Tell the Chinese to stop being uppity!' rally. It's a cool chance to show support for a near lifelong political crony who has been show to have stolen billions from your and yours! Also it's somehow a defence of our poor oppressed and under threat officially enforced State religion.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
So this report happened

(google paywall workaround)

quote:

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that officials in Abu Dhabi were trying to understand why a $1.4 billion transfer that the fund, 1Malaysia Development Bhd., said it made to a counterparty in the Middle Eastern emirate wasn’t received. Now, those officials are questioning a further $993 million that 1MDB reported it paid to the Abu Dhabi fund, the International Petroleum Investment Co., but which also appears to be largely missing, people familiar with the matter said.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
I think the B team might have stepped back into the lead role on this one guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34365180

"Boss, we tried that whole "investigation" thing you suggested but it's not working. We STILL haven't caught the guy and it's been like five whole WEEKS."

"Even after I bought you all those Blue Blood dvds? The hell with this, just tell everyone we were so good we caught him without realizing it."

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Can anyone see poo poo?

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