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The original Secret Wars. Or the two Doom minis from the 2000s. Or perhaps some of the John Bryne Fantastic Four run. The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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Unthinkable, whether you like it or not, is certainly noteworthy.
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Sep 1, 2015 22:56
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Vitamin P posted:A mate is doing a presentation thing for a film course about characters adapted from other mediums, has chosen Doctor Doom and is panicking because it's on in two days. Fantastic Four #258.
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Sep 1, 2015 23:12
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Vitamin P posted:A mate is doing a presentation thing for a film course about characters adapted from other mediums, has chosen Doctor Doom and is panicking because it's on in two days. There was the issue where he knocked the Richards' parenting abilities. "Doom demands that children get a good nights sleep."
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Sep 2, 2015 01:15
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The Dr. Doom and the Masters of Evil mini series it's great.
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Sep 2, 2015 04:49
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Vitamin P posted:A mate is doing a presentation thing for a film course about characters adapted from other mediums, has chosen Doctor Doom and is panicking because it's on in two days. Here is a list that includes some Amazon links, for whatever that might be worth: http://benito-cereno.tumblr.com/post/80397901792/benito-i-love-victor-von-doom-i-have-ever-since
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Sep 3, 2015 01:31
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So I have a general question: One of the big points about many X-Men stories is how mutants get treated like poo poo and are generally seen by a huge amount of the public as dangerous and they need to be controlled. So has this same fear, aside from Civil War, been attached to other heroes? Like, not Captain America because everyone knows the story and he's an icon, but like Spider-Man and tons of other heroes. How are people not jumping on them and assuming they're mutants based on their powers? Is it just a case of writers ignoring it or something?
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Sep 3, 2015 04:07
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OldTennisCourt posted:So I have a general question: One of the big points about many X-Men stories is how mutants get treated like poo poo and are generally seen by a huge amount of the public as dangerous and they need to be controlled. There are in universe ways to track mutants. Part of the whole fear and hate them is the threat of them replacing humans as the dominant species.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:10
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OldTennisCourt posted:So I have a general question: One of the big points about many X-Men stories is how mutants get treated like poo poo and are generally seen by a huge amount of the public as dangerous and they need to be controlled. In Ultimate Spider-Man this happens more often, everybody REALLY hates mutants and the Ultimates themselves are the only superheroes anybody likes/trusts because the government says they're OK. Lots of people assume anybody with powers is a mutant and distrusts them outright.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:13
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Rhyno posted:There are in universe ways to track mutants. Part of the whole fear and hate them is the threat of them replacing humans as the dominant species. I understand the point, I guess it just feels like there are tons of other heroes too and you'd think they'd get lumped in to with the whole 'incredibly powerful heroes who could basically take over if they wanted' thing. I understand mutants have that fear of evolving and replacing humans in that respect, but I can only recall Civil War where the general Marvel heroes as a whole got the same treatment on some level. It just kinda feels like if you're pissed at one you should be pissed at the other on some level.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:14
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OldTennisCourt posted:I understand the point, I guess it just feels like there are tons of other heroes too and you'd think they'd get lumped in to with the whole 'incredibly powerful heroes who could basically take over if they wanted' thing. I understand mutants have that fear of evolving and replacing humans in that respect, but I can only recall Civil War where the general Marvel heroes as a whole got the same treatment on some level. The Avengers save the world every 3 days, people trust them. Mutants are scaaaaaary.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:19
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Rhyno posted:The Avengers save the world every 3 days, people trust them. Mutants are scaaaaaary. Haven't the X-Men saved the earth a shitload of times too? Including a time where they all straight up sacrificed their lives to stop The Adversary?
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Sep 3, 2015 04:21
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The X-Men's attempts to be Superpowers As Minorities can't really be explained in a satisfying manner because it's total nonsense, so much so that Grant Morrison ripping off Parasite Eve was an actual improvement.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:30
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X-men works because people are born mutants randomly, which actually makes a big difference.
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Sep 3, 2015 04:34
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OldTennisCourt posted:Haven't the X-Men saved the earth a shitload of times too? Including a time where they all straight up sacrificed their lives to stop The Adversary?
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Sep 3, 2015 04:44
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CharlestheHammer posted:X-men works because people are born mutants randomly, which actually makes a big difference. Yeah, but the issue is that how does the general public know who's a mutant and who isn't? Why don't we see any protests against heroes that aren't really mutants but that a certain segment of the public is absolutely sure must be more mutant scum? That's why it doesn't make any sense, because the general public in the Marvel universe just seems to automatically accept who is a mutant and who isn't. You'd think there'd be protests and whatnot against, say, the Fantastic Four because obviously they're mutants and the whole "cosmic ray" thing is just a cover story. Or alternatively, a mutant that takes advantage of that by making up an alternate origin story because how would anyone know otherwise? Actually, has that ever been done in mainline comics? I know Spider-Man did that in reverse in House of M, but has there ever been a mutant that was just "oh, no, it was cosmic radiation from an ancient alien artifact, I'm totally not a mutant" or something?
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Sep 3, 2015 05:14
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OldTennisCourt posted:So I have a general question: One of the big points about many X-Men stories is how mutants get treated like poo poo and are generally seen by a huge amount of the public as dangerous and they need to be controlled. Spider-Man often got bad publicity, because of the guy who handles that kind of thing, so he's gone back and forth in the public eye. Punisher everyone seems to agree is insane and a menace, but let's let him kill just a few more mobsters before we jump to any conclusions. Most everyone is on superman's side, but luthor must get through to some people. Nobody really trusts Batman, and your average Gothamite probably recognizes how insane and not very effective he is in his crusade. Basically see the punisher.
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Sep 3, 2015 05:15
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CzarChasm posted:Spider-Man often got bad publicity, because of the guy who handles that kind of thing, so he's gone back and forth in the public eye. No, they're asking specifically if there are superheroes in Marvel that aren't mutants but everyone thinks they are and lumps them in with the anti-mutant hate, not just superheroes that are feared in general.
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Sep 3, 2015 05:16
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There are no mutants anymore remember?
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Sep 3, 2015 05:29
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Do keep in mind that, for a very long time, the most prominent mutants in the world were Magneto, who led a group called the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and tried to take over the world, and the X-Men, who seem to go out of their way to sequester themselves even from other superheroes. Like, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four have their headquarters in downtown NYC and they do autographs and stuff; the X-Men, as far as anyone knows, are holed up in a hidden base like a paramilitary group and only show up when they're fighting evil mutants.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Do keep in mind that, for a very long time, the most prominent mutants in the world were Magneto, who led a group called the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and tried to take over the world, and the X-Men, who seem to go out of their way to sequester themselves even from other superheroes. Like, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four have their headquarters in downtown NYC and they do autographs and stuff; the X-Men, as far as anyone knows, are holed up in a hidden base like a paramilitary group and only show up when they're fighting evil mutants. But again, though, I don't think anyone's questioning the existence of mutant hate. Just how even all civilians in the Marvel Universe seem to automatically know who's a mutant and who isn't. There's never a wave of anti-mutant hatred towards any character that isn't actually a mutant, or a mutant that manages to pass for a non-mutant metahuman and avoid the anti-mutant hate. Large groups, you've got a point, but what about all the less famous superheroes that aren't in the public eye constantly? It's just kind of surprising that it seems like no one ever even used that as a plot point in Marvel outside Spider-Man in House of M.
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Sep 3, 2015 13:12
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OldTennisCourt posted:I understand the point, I guess it just feels like there are tons of other heroes too and you'd think they'd get lumped in to with the whole 'incredibly powerful heroes who could basically take over if they wanted' thing. I understand mutants have that fear of evolving and replacing humans in that respect, but I can only recall Civil War where the general Marvel heroes as a whole got the same treatment on some level.
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Sep 3, 2015 13:17
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Idran posted:It's just kind of surprising that it seems like no one ever even used that as a plot point in Marvel outside Spider-Man in House of M. Was it used for Ultimate Wasp?
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Sep 3, 2015 13:24
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Idran posted:Yeah, but the issue is that how does the general public know who's a mutant and who isn't? They usually have an X on them somewhere. If not they're seen fighting guys who do.
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Sep 3, 2015 13:42
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Didn't Spiderman have to tell people a few times that he wasn't a mutant. Like everytime he teamed up with the X-Men or the first time he teamed up with the X-Men.
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Sep 3, 2015 17:21
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Idran posted:But again, though, I don't think anyone's questioning the existence of mutant hate. Just how even all civilians in the Marvel Universe seem to automatically know who's a mutant and who isn't. There's never a wave of anti-mutant hatred towards any character that isn't actually a mutant, or a mutant that manages to pass for a non-mutant metahuman and avoid the anti-mutant hate. Large groups, you've got a point, but what about all the less famous superheroes that aren't in the public eye constantly? Superheroes do a good job of quickly changing into their costume and presenting a heroic face, while mutants go active looking confused and upset about having to use their powers why won't you just leave me alone.
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Sep 3, 2015 17:40
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OldTennisCourt posted:It just kinda feels like if you're pissed at one you should be pissed at the other on some level. Why does my brother, a Caucasian man married to a Mexican woman, hate black people? The problem is that you're trying to apply logic to inherently illogical racism. People fear the "Other," regardless of how many other "Others" there are, or how realistic that fear might be.
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OldTennisCourt posted:I understand the point, I guess it just feels like there are tons of other heroes too and you'd think they'd get lumped in to with the whole 'incredibly powerful heroes who could basically take over if they wanted' thing. I understand mutants have that fear of evolving and replacing humans in that respect, but I can only recall Civil War where the general Marvel heroes as a whole got the same treatment on some level. Since the allegory's also often used for homosexuality in weird ways - I assume it's a matter of attitude and association. It's an irrational hatred borne out of assumption + stereotype. Like, people who are perfectly happy to support the military, but GAY military servicepeople?! No way, Jose! They're all folks doing the same job but some of them probably have ~secret motives.~ Similarly - people like teachers, but if family's catch wind that a teacher is gay they instantly conclude they must be a child predator. You don't see a member of the military and go "welp, they're gay!" or a teacher and go "that's a gay pedo right there," but if you hear they ARE gay ... Just so, superheroes are fine, but mutant heroes? Ick! (You in the general bigot sense, not you as a poster.)
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Madkal posted:Didn't Spiderman have to tell people a few times that he wasn't a mutant. Like everytime he teamed up with the X-Men or the first time he teamed up with the X-Men. I don't know how much it's come up in 616, but it was a running gag in Ultimate.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:41
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Madkal posted:Didn't Spiderman have to tell people a few times that he wasn't a mutant. Like everytime he teamed up with the X-Men or the first time he teamed up with the X-Men. It was the tagline of his series for a bit. 
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Sep 3, 2015 22:48
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WickedHate posted:It was the tagline of his series for a bit.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:52
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It was also the era where it was hinted for about five seconds that he was a mutant and the spider-bite triggered it. Mutant moved comics.
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Erik Larsen drew Aunt May like the Crypt-Keeper.
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Question: In the Batman '66 TV series, was there ever a scene where Batman was offered some candy and replied, "Actually, I'd prefer a piece of fresh fruit if you have it"? I remember years ago, I was told there was such a line, but this was before the DVDs were widely available. Likewise, was there ever a scene where Batman refused to start the Batmobile because Robin hadn't put his seatbelt on yet?
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Since the allegory's also often used for homosexuality in weird ways - I assume it's a matter of attitude and association. It's an irrational hatred borne out of assumption + stereotype. Like, people who are perfectly happy to support the military, but GAY military servicepeople?! No way, Jose! They're all folks doing the same job but some of them probably have ~secret motives.~ Similarly - people like teachers, but if family's catch wind that a teacher is gay they instantly conclude they must be a child predator. You don't see a member of the military and go "welp, they're gay!" or a teacher and go "that's a gay pedo right there," but if you hear they ARE gay ... Just so, superheroes are fine, but mutant heroes? Ick! Okay I get your point and the general idea now, thank you! Thanks everyone for the explanation, it's just something that's kinda nagged at me for a bit after I read it elsewhere, I do recall in the USM series he had to make it clear he wasn't a mutant. Another more general question: What's considered to be the largest Event storyarc in terms of crossover issues, main issues and sheer length? I believe I read somewhere that it was Civil War, but I think that was just Marvel and not both companies.
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I can't think of anything DC has done that's larger than Civil War. Maybe Flashpoint but I doubt it
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Opopanax posted:I can't think of anything DC has done that's larger than Civil War. Maybe Flashpoint but I doubt it You mean sales wise or the number of books it touches?
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OldTennisCourt posted:Another more general question: What's considered to be the largest Event storyarc in terms of crossover issues, main issues and sheer length? I believe I read somewhere that it was Civil War, but I think that was just Marvel and not both companies. I still think Secret Wars 2 is a strong contender.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Question: In the Batman '66 TV series, was there ever a scene where Batman was offered some candy and replied, "Actually, I'd prefer a piece of fresh fruit if you have it"? I remember years ago, I was told there was such a line, but this was before the DVDs were widely available. Likewise, was there ever a scene where Batman refused to start the Batmobile because Robin hadn't put his seatbelt on yet? I couldn't tell you the episode, but the seat belt scene definitely happened. Batman 66 was on TV land or something like it when I was a kid and I watched every day. The fruit thing sounds familiar, but that one I'm not positive on. Maybe the episode where he runs against the Penguin for mayor, I know he refuses to kiss a baby in that one because it would be unhygienic.
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"Mutants? Those fuckers are born with powers, and that's scary. That couldn't have happened to me, so I can't identify with that. That daredevil dude, though, he was just walking down the street, pushed a dude out of the way of a truck, and got covered with toxic waste! I walk down the street like all the time! What if it happened to me? He's pretty awesome!"
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