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i know what i said. Price/performance AND low heat and noise. Im not factoring in sub $300 dollar cards because im not buying them. For my needs and in the present time nvidia is better. im not buying cards 3 years ago, i live in 2015.
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Don Lapre posted:3dNow is coming back Similarly-priced Xeons finally killing i5s in performance 
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Fauxtool posted:i know what i said. Price/performance AND low heat and noise. Im not factoring in sub $300 dollar cards because im not buying them. For my needs and in the present time nvidia is better. im not buying cards 3 years ago, i live in 2015. I am going to assume you are refering to the 980 ti which is a fantastic card and probably the best value at the high end, but the vast majority of people don't buy cards in that range. In the $150 to ~$400 range AMD in very competitive in price/perfromance and low heat and noise. Yea their reference coolers have left a lot to be desired but once their partners rolled out cards heat and noise really weren't an issue.
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My last 2 cards have been a 970 then the 980ti. I was amd before that for several cards. My sapphire reference 7970 was great until it wasnt and it just stopped working very soon after warranty expiration. amd wins hands down if you are comparing the entire spectrum of products. I cant decide whether to be impressed or disgusted that their 280 and 290s are still relevant. I almost wish they had doubled down and released some sort of quad 290x Frankenstein with onboard power supply instead of the nano I always hear about people water cooling top end nvidia cards and it makes sense since you can gain so much when the TDP starts low. What about 290x's, did people decide its just not worth it for overclocking? I always seem to see nvidia in pc show displays Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 16:57
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B-Mac posted:I am going to assume you are refering to the 980 ti which is a fantastic card and probably the best value at the high end, but the vast majority of people don't buy cards in that range. In the $150 to ~$400 range AMD in very competitive in price/perfromance and low heat and noise. Yea their reference coolers have left a lot to be desired but once their partners rolled out cards heat and noise really weren't an issue.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:OTOH people who buy 100-400 dollar video cards also don't buy new video cards each year. Very true. I got my 7970 for around $220 after rebates a little more than a year and a half ago. It still rocks everything for me at 1200p, I may have to turn a few settings down from ultra to high from time to time. I usually upgrade every 3 years or so. I am excited to see what performance improvements both companies bring with their new generations. I really have no brand preference and go with whoever had the best price/performance ration. I have owned both AMD and Nvidia GPUs.
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DuckConference posted:Apparently not so well, at least with the fractal node 202 and a high end GPU: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1464-page5.html Biggest human being Ever posted:The difference is not enormous but I'd say it's definitely noticeable, it is roughly 20% slimmer after all. Also, my use case for these cases would be as kind of a console replacement and the FTZ01 doesn't look thin at all compared to a PS4. If you're going horizontal the hit to cooling from ditching the case fans might even be even higher too.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:OTOH people who buy 100-400 dollar video cards also don't buy new video cards each year. Yeah, this. Before I got my 970 I was using a HD6970, the main thing that made me replace it was my PSU dieing and taking the card with it. Of course once I got the 970 into my system I was awfully happy since it just about doubled my performance. Also to the AMD fan who posted earlier: This is not a "Nvidia zone" it's a good video card zone. AMD gets a lot of poo poo because their high end stuff is either decent but rehashed or just plain old bad. Nvidia gets poo poo for things like the 960. I've recommended plenty of AMD cards to people in the PC parts and building thread, I've also recommended plenty of Nvidia cards. People here definitely have their biases but they are fairly open and honest about them and even with those biases most of the arguments made in favor of either side have some validity to them.
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I've seen people recommend finding used R9 290s itt instead of buying some new expensive video card multiple times, which is a really god drat good way to get a beefy AF GPU for bugger all money. AMD has its place.
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Fauxtool posted:What about 290x's, did people decide its just not worth it for overclocking? I always seem to see nvidia in pc show displays Edit: even overclocked, it's nowhere close to the % you'd get on a 970 of course. future ghost fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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cat doter posted:I've seen people recommend finding used R9 290s itt instead of buying some new expensive video card multiple times, which is a really god drat good way to get a beefy AF GPU for bugger all money. AMD has its place. Screw used, there's still aftermarket cooler R9-290Xes in retail channels. Somebody posted a XFX-DD 290X for $250 this week, that's an awesome deal. I've seen the MSI Gaming 4G 290 at $210 often, that's such a better buy than a 960.
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Fauxtool posted:I always hear about people water cooling top end nvidia cards and it makes sense since you can gain so much when the TDP starts low. This is unlike the 980(Ti), where you press a button to magically get 15-25% overclock, and then can happily work up from there because most of the chips are temp limited for a good bit before they start hitting the actual limits of the chips themselves.
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Twerk from Home posted:Screw used, there's still aftermarket cooler R9-290Xes in retail channels. Somebody posted a XFX-DD 290X for $250 this week, that's an awesome deal. I've seen the MSI Gaming 4G 290 at $210 often, that's such a better buy than a 960. The 960 has generally been dubious from the start at the price they asked, to be honest. Þe olde Radeon 280 and 280Xs on the whole offered better value, but those cut price custom cooled 290s are pretty much absolutely the king of price/perf. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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HalloKitty posted:The 960 has generally been dubious from the start at the price they asked, to be honest. Þe olde Radeon 280 and 280Xs on the whole offered better value, but those cut price custom cooled 290s are pretty much absolutely the king of price/perf. Purely performance-wise the GM206 chips are poor, but 960/950 have some benefits that can make it more attractive (even over 750Ti): HDMI 2.0 and HEVC decoding. If you want to put a price tag on that (apparently DP to HDMI2.0 adapters should be available soonish, but they are active and therefore expensive) the pricing can make sense.
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4k HEVC decoding could be done in software with only 20-30% total usage with any Intel i5+ mainline processor since Sandy Bridge so it's kind of pointless. With anything lower, you probably also don't have the means to display 4k. Also, the only card that would actually get real use out of HDMI 2.0 is the 980ti unless for some reason you really need 60fps on Minecraft in 4k for relatively cheap, in which case the 960 is absolutely perfect in that vanishingly small use case
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Mad_Lion posted:I know this is sort of an Nvidia zone, but I am far more impressed by AMD. First of all, they're fighting on all fronts. CPU, embedded, semi-custom, AND video cards, and they've innovated in ways that changed the industry. They did and are doing it all on such a tiny fraction of Intel or Nvidia's budget, it's almost a miracle. I'm not going to be a fanboy and try to say that their current products are worth buying over the competitors, but they aren't poo poo either. If you sat down in front of a PC that had a Fury X and one that had a 980 Ti, at 1440p, would you even notice a difference, assuming everything else was the same? I doubt it. This is an interesting take. I view it more as squandering assets, poor (poor) management decisions, tech stagnating to the point of business failure, and now its time to come to pay the piper. The fact that nvidia is simply on track seems glorious in comparison, thus the mini fame they've captured this last year.
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Still dont understand why the nano "itx htpc" card doens't have hdmi 2.0
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Intel CPU & GPU Platform Discussion - New Iris Pro generation might actually be good! You might have meant this ironically, but we're pretty close to it. And surprisingly not in a bad way (although it doesn't mean poo poo if Apple keeps buying up the lot). Don Lapre posted:Still dont understand why the nano "itx htpc" card doens't have hdmi 2.0 Because Fury Nano is a monument to poor decisions.
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Sir Unimaginative posted:You might have meant this ironically, but we're pretty close to it. And surprisingly not in a bad way (although it doesn't mean poo poo if Apple keeps buying up the lot). I hope Intel is smarter than that and starts shoving Iris Graphics in i3s and such if AMD kicks the bucket come 2018. Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Well my Gigabyte 970 release day G1 card started to start to whine in cycles the other day but some canned dust cleaner on the fans stopped that. Just letting others know the value of dust cleaner.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:4k HEVC decoding could be done in software with only 20-30% total usage with any Intel i5+ mainline processor since Sandy Bridge so it's kind of pointless. With anything lower, you probably also don't have the means to display 4k. I don't get this. If you lack CPU oomph, then you can still extend and old HTPC age and get 4k output. In addition it should have HEVC encoding ability as well. This is the AMD original K6 compared to Pentium MMX -- sure, you get similar performance in office/productivity benchmarks but lose ~20% on gaming due to poor FPU.
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Don't most 750 Ti's have DisplayPort(s) on them anyhow? Not sure what sort of 4k devices you're looking at that don't have an option for that. If you're using it as a HTPC, there are $15 adapters to take it to HDMI 2.0.
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DrDork posted:Don't most 750 Ti's have DisplayPort(s) on them anyhow? Not sure what sort of 4k devices you're looking at that don't have an option for that. If you're using it as a HTPC, there are $15 adapters to take it to HDMI 2.0. None of them do HDMI 2.0, especially not with passive adaptor.
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BurritoJustice posted:None of them do HDMI 2.0, especially not with passive adaptor. An "active adapter" is basically a poo poo GPU in a small plastic box, yes? Waaaay back, I tried a vga-to-hdmi adapter to band-aid-patch an analogue-only AV system. Thing halved the framerate and introduced a sound not unlike the high-pitch white noise you get on a VCR that you usually attenuated with the VCR's built-in low-pass filter. System's all digital now, but it was a solid two months of headache-inducing, high-pitch whine and fuzzy graphics before getting the whole thing digital end-to-end.
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Active adaptors are still a pain with latency, but the biggest issue is that there does not exist a DP to HDMI 2.0 of any form. They've been promised for a few months now but nothing has come out yet.
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jeff8472 posted:B-Stock EVGA GTX 980 in stock again
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Full Tonga is coming out for real this time guys, really! http://techreport.com/news/29032/rumor-amd-preparing-to-unleash-radeon-r9-380x-graphics-cards
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Full Tonga is coming out for real this time guys, really! It's the card that should have been called simply 380 from the start, but it's good it's coming to fill in that awkward spot. Now we watch as they manage to screw up the pricing on this too. Maybe.
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Still sad that the only GCN 1.2 parts are the ~$200 midrange and the $600 halo cards, but at least they're expanding the footprint a little.
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Called itRosoboronexport posted:If AMD would release a full Tonga with 6 GB memory (385X) Nvidia would probably counter with the 960 Ti.
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Watch Nvidia drop the 970 to 280$ after the MGSV deal to kill that thing in the crib.
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I'm not sure Nvidia are going to let go of their hilarious margins that quickly. We'll probably get a 980M with 1/4 of its ROPs disabled as the 960ti.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I'm not sure Nvidia are going to let go of their hilarious margins that quickly. Yeah, their market share and consumer perceptions basically allow them to price GPUs as they please. That said, I have wondered if they intended to price the 980 Ti closer to $800 before switching strategy to forcing the Fury X to be DOA.
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Nvidias pricing this year is really excellent... I mean really everything either stayed the same price or went down, its hard to imagine their margins are all that great. Of course, it was all for burying AMD rather than anything else. I think the concern should be about next year.
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Space Racist posted:Yeah, their market share and consumer perceptions basically allow them to price GPUs as they please. I kind of doubt it. The Titans are for the performance at any cost crowd, and the market hasnt been broken into the idea of $800 just to get a whiff of a big chip card. The Ti is to get the rest of the high end, where they have to price at least semi-competitively to get the optimal balance of margin and volume. Think about how many goons have bought two cards from the same generation because of that price.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Nvidias pricing this year is really excellent... I mean really everything either stayed the same price or went down, its hard to imagine their margins are all that great. Of course, it was all for burying AMD rather than anything else. I think the concern should be about next year.
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...I admit I'm sort of looking at that 380X with some interest. I am planning GPU passthrough Win10 VM shenanigans on Linux.
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I was thinking of getting a 280x this year but only if it needed 50 less watts. The 380x looks to be just that. It'd also coax Nvidia to putting out a cheaper desktop GM204 (nearly all of the bottom-bins of it are in mobile) which is a win for just about everybody.
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