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Rarity posted:I don't see there being a normal Cop in this game because the entire theme is Buddies and so far every flip has enforced that PRs are Buddy based and my own cop power involved my buddy so why doesn't chaoslord's? Ecco had a vig role in addition to buddy role. So it's not entirely out of the question. Also I am not sure of what to make of Section 31 and Opop both claiming to be buddy cops, but Asiina not flipping buddy cop at all. Makes it seem like both buddies get the cop role, making your claim a little more hard to believe. Could be coincidence or opop lying though.
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Opopanax posted:Oh, wait! ##vote rarity I'm confused, what do you think I'm assuming?
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Sep 14, 2015 18:16
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Hal Incandenza posted:Also I am not sure of what to make of Section 31 and Opop both claiming to be buddy cops, but Asiina not flipping buddy cop at all. Makes it seem like both buddies get the cop role, making your claim a little more hard to believe. Could be coincidence or opop lying though. Or maybe Section 31 was able to cop someone and those results got sent to somebody else who was also able to cop someone and 
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Sep 14, 2015 18:18
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Hal Incandenza posted:Ecco had a vig role in addition to buddy role. So it's not entirely out of the question. I'm not a buddy cop, technically. Opopanax posted:We couldn't talk so I'm not really sure how it worked. My guess is it was like he was a cop and I picked the targets for him, which is kind of a neat setup with a newer player.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:19
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Opopanax posted:I'm not a buddy cop, technically. Oh ok, well that makes a little more sense then
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Sep 14, 2015 18:20
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Rarity posted:I'm confused, what do you think I'm assuming? Because you've got it backwards. You're saying you're a buddy cop who sent results to Asiina, who was Vanilla. I'm saying I'm Vanilla who sent results to Sec 31, a Buddy Cop.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:21
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Opopanax posted:Because you've got it backwards. You're saying you're a buddy cop who sent results to Asiina, who was Vanilla. I'm saying I'm Vanilla who sent results to Sec 31, a Buddy Cop. *checks* My role PM says both that I'm Vanilla and that I'm Buddy Cops with Asiina. It definitely doesn't draw a distinction between me and her there.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:50
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Opop you're really muddying the waters, could you make one clear post about what exactly your ability is?
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Sep 14, 2015 19:44
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Opopanax posted:I buy it, actually, because I was a buddy cop too. I picked Sec 31 because I thought this was his first game and I was being inclusive, so I'm null now. okay... Opopanax posted:Hmm, on the other hand the cop itself was my boon. I couldn't communicate with 31, but he would have received my results. okay... Opopanax posted:I'm not a buddy cop, technically. 
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Sep 14, 2015 21:27
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Look Under The Rock posted:Opop you're really muddying the waters, could you make one clear post about what exactly your ability is? I feel like I've made lots, but my brain is still in vacation mode so maybe it's only clear to me. I have no power on my own, I'm vanilla and I would just pick a target for Sec to cop. I guess I confused things by saying I was a buddy cop earlier, I misspoke there
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Sep 14, 2015 21:35
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We should probably stop trying to setup spec this. Outing a cop that you don't even really know is lying on D2 was a bad idea. Let's instead look at bad posts. Like Birdstrike's. On D1 this thread was lazy and jokey, so no big deal about bad posting there. But stuff like this: Birdstrike posted:You're lucky, buddy Alehkhs, lurker lunches are my favourite D1 policy! Birdstrike posted:haha another new prime minister is just the beginning of a D2 post history that is the whitest of noise. He is asking lots of questions with no follow-ups, and his only point today (that Hal was intentionally mischaracterizing the D1 lynch) goes nowhere. He is trying to blend in. ##vote birdstrike I am confident that he is scum.
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Sep 14, 2015 21:54
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Birdstrike posted:haha another new prime minister Let's see an end to everything in your avatar.
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Sep 14, 2015 22:39
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Phoneposting now so I can't put anything big together but I'm personally not a fan of the way Hal started going after me.
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Sep 14, 2015 22:44
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Like, his case came after getting pressure for not posting. Hal doesn't usually post a ton and quickly throwing together a bunch of posts for a case seems like an uncharacteristic reaction to pressure.
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Sep 14, 2015 22:46
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That combined with how quickly he backed down makes it seem like an insincere read to me. ##vote hal
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Sep 14, 2015 22:47
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BottleKnight posted:We should probably stop trying to setup spec this. Outing a cop that you don't even really know is lying on D2 was a bad idea. Hey bottle is there a specific reason you looked at birdstrike?
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Sep 14, 2015 22:58
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Quick question for the people voting for me: If I'm scum and chaoslord isn't, why didn't I just make him the N1 kill?
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Sep 14, 2015 23:00
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Rarity posted:Quick question for the people voting for me: toot toot all aboard the wifom train
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Sep 14, 2015 23:03
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Look Under The Rock posted:toot toot all aboard the wifom train It's a bit WIFOM. I recognise that, and I normally avoid WIFOM arguments because they're dumb, but seriously there is no way a scum player tries to get a publically unclaimed cop lynched when they can just NK them before that info gets out. Like, how bad a scum player do you think I am?
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Sep 14, 2015 23:07
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Rarity posted:It's a bit WIFOM. I recognise that, and I normally avoid WIFOM arguments because they're dumb, but seriously there is no way a scum player tries to get a publically unclaimed cop lynched when they can just NK them before that info gets out. There are a hundred answers to your question and the first one is "it wasn't your call, one of your scum bros chose the kill without your input" Another one is "because you were confident that if you claimed it first, town would take out Chaos and save you a nightkill" Yet another is "so you could say 'if I were scum why would I do this?' " which makes perfect sense coupled with the fact that asiina died in the night Some really high level scum play looks like bad scum play on the surface because doing a superscum thing and looking awful short term serves the team's purposes long term. Sometimes people do things that are totally irrational because it's early in the morning/late at night/they are hungry/there's a screaming child on the bus/their foot itches Like, what kind of answer are you expecting? I think you're scum, I told you why I think you're scum, you asked a super wifom question, but really the answer to "why would I do this as scum" is pretty much always gonna be "I don't fuckin know, you tell me." Let me turn the question right back to you: If Chaos isn't scum, what sort of sense do your actions make from a town perspective?
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Sep 14, 2015 23:17
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Look Under The Rock posted:Let me turn the question right back to you: If Chaos isn't scum, what sort of sense do your actions make from a town perspective? I've been an idiot who failed hard on setup spec. Either way you clearly don't give a poo poo about engaging with me and have already judged me so gently caress you,
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Sep 14, 2015 23:19
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Look Under The Rock posted:Hey bottle is there a specific reason you looked at birdstrike? because I read his posts? When I realize I have no opinion of someone in a game, it pings me. On a reread I had a much worse opinion of him.
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Sep 14, 2015 23:26
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Rarity posted:I've been an idiot who failed hard on setup spec. she is engaging with you. she is engaging with you a lot. how do you see disagreeing with you as not engaging with you???
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Sep 14, 2015 23:27
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:That combined with how quickly he backed down makes it seem like an insincere read to me. Is your case purely meta or could you quote me any particular posts where he is being insincere? Because I didn't read him that way and I find him posting more to be refreshing.
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Sep 14, 2015 23:30
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Like, his case came after getting pressure for not posting. Hal doesn't usually post a ton and quickly throwing together a bunch of posts for a case seems like an uncharacteristic reaction to pressure. Not at all, I felt bad after LutR called me garbage and no one else was saying anything and I had some free time this morning so I actually, you know, read the game again and offered thoughts. THEN all kinds of other content came up and I felt like I needed to reconsider. You are making it sound like I just backed off over nothing. Furthermore, if you aren't seeing why I changed my stance on BK's confirmed town status then I guess you really aren't reading because I actually spelled that out very clearly.
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I feel that Rarity has misunderstood chaoslord's claim, and her vote was based on this misunderstanding. It's plausible in the setup that you could have a standard cop as well as buddycops. Which leads me to be suspicious of Look Under The Rock for giving Rarity a hard time about it. But even more obviously, just lol at Opop both misunderstanding how buddycops work, and claiming buddycop with a dead guy to claim VT.  ##vote Opop
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Sep 15, 2015 02:19
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Well poo poo - this all became a mess over the last page or so. The whole thing with Rarity and Chaos is weird - but with there being a buddy-cop system in place it just seems really off that there would then be normal cop. As much as the  Rarity curse concerns me, I gotta say...the buddyless cop is no buddy of mine.  ##vote chaoslord
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Birdstrike posted:But even more obviously, just lol at Opop both misunderstanding how buddycops work, and claiming buddycop with a dead guy to claim VT. This is the point that I'm hung up on. Rarity is claiming that as the Buddy Cop, they sent results to Asiina, a VT. Opop is claiming that as VT, they sent results to Section 31, a Buddy Cop. Those can't exist together, surely, which is why Opop is voting Rarity. I keep going back and forth on who I think is lying about it though.
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Alehkhs posted:Well poo poo - this all became a mess over the last page or so. Historically I am very sensitive to votes against me, but this reads to me as really forced. Am I the only one who thinks that?
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Sep 15, 2015 13:44
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Chaos, why did you claim, anyways? And why not check Rarity right away?
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Sep 15, 2015 13:59
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chaoslord posted:Historically I am very sensitive to votes against me, but this reads to me as really forced. Am I the only one who thinks that? Nope, at the very least it's a terrible vote.
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Sep 15, 2015 14:01
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I really don't see how anyone can look at that situation and think "chaoslord is the one I should be voting"
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Sep 15, 2015 14:02
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all this setup WIFOM is bad for town. Let's lynch someone based on their posting. Like Birdstrike.
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Opopanax posted:Chaos, why did you claim, anyways? And why not check Rarity right away? I decided to take a gamble. This might end up being the last game I can do for a little while so I thought I'd try something different. Worst case I'd get NK'd N1, best case we're both town and I didn't "waste" a night trying to confirm a masonry. Obviously a cop result of any sort is never a waste, but it seems like a waste of a result to do it backwards like that. Sure, ideal play is to not claim and cop them N1, I won't argue that at all. If Rarity is town, though, then investigating them N1 would have led us right back here because Rarity would have the same reasons to doubt my cop claim as they posted already. Which means the cop(s) are outed and there is one less result (MMM being town) to go around.
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BottleKnight posted:all this setup WIFOM is bad for town. Let's lynch someone based on their posting. Like Birdstrike. I am a mess here because you're right and I would vote him, but he's making excellent points about Opop, but also I'm pretty sure Rarity is still scum. The problem here is that the setup spec has brought some serious scumminess out of the woodworks, so to outright dismiss it is throwing away a lot of really great (and terrible) content, but until we get flips there's really no way to read the situation, and if we flip someone who isn't mired in Copgate then we're in the same boat tomorrow.
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Looks like deadline is tonight, I'm gonna be at rehearsal. I'll check in before, but today's really busy starting as soon as this class ends.
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Look Under The Rock posted:I am a mess here because you're right and I would vote him, but he's making excellent points about Opop, but also I'm pretty sure Rarity is still scum. What if everyone involved is town? What if Rarity, CL and Opop are all town and then we waste two days flipping them? CL is the only one worth testing IMO but I don't want to lynch a cop D2.
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BottleKnight posted:What if everyone involved is town? What if Rarity, CL and Opop are all town and then we waste two days flipping them? Because it's not gonna go away. This is a huge stupid mess, but it's also the biggest thing that's happened so far. I guess we could ignore it? But why are you so eager to?
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Look Under The Rock posted:Because it's not gonna go away. This is a huge stupid mess, but it's also the biggest thing that's happened so far. I guess we could ignore it? But why are you so eager to? Because it's bad for town. The vote is getting manipulated and we're not even gonna be voting based on if someone is scummy, just if they're less believable than someone else. This isn't lylo. Birdstrike is scum.
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BottleKnight posted:Because it's bad for town. The vote is getting manipulated and we're not even gonna be voting based on if someone is scummy, just if they're less believable than someone else. This isn't lylo. Birdstrike is scum. Have you got a case?
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