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thrawn527 posted:it felt like she belonged to some sort of weird alien race who secretly rules the world from behind the scenes. You mean a woman? Heh.
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I kinda hope Tyrell tries to use the key to get back into E-corp, and it just blows up in his face. Even if they unencrypt the data, it would still be legal quagmire right? There's nothing to prove the data is correct. Whose to say those evil hackers didn't modify the data before encrypting. Management probably knows this, and it'd cost them even more money to fight each case in court. Probably better to just cut their losses now.
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Holyshoot posted:The companies who make pay to win video games and EA for ruining my childhood by loving up all the new versions of those games and being a lovely give no fucks about the customer company. You realize those games from your childhood were pay to win too, right? Arcade games ate quarter after quarter. It's not a new concept. GutBomb fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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GutBomb posted:You realize those games from your childhood were pay to win too, right? Arcade games ate quarter after quarter. It's not a new concept. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4tmzwrdTmY
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GutBomb posted:You realize those games from your childhood were pay to win too, right? Arcade games ate quarter after quarter. It's not a new concept. I think those could more accurately be called "pay to lose more".
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GutBomb posted:You realize those games from your childhood were pay to win too, right? Arcade games ate quarter after quarter. It's not a new concept. Sorry I should have been more specific. I am talking about the maxis games, specifically Sim City and The Sims. However someone should do a re-make of Sim Tower. I spent hours and hours playing that game as well as Sim Copter.
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GutBomb posted:You realize those games from your childhood were pay to win too, right? Arcade games ate quarter after quarter. It's not a new concept. Arcade games were not pay to win (at least not the ones that I played). If I wanted to play, and continue to play, I had to drop quarters. That's basically analogous to a traditional subscription game model. Now if Defender allowed me access to better weapons, shields, or other gameplay upgrades via additional quarters, that would be pay to win. The more I think about Elliot and this show going forward, the more I hope the shrink isn't an active influence on his behavior and therefore the direction of the show. For me, part of the brilliance of the show is watching how his nutiness interacts with reality. Too much of a swing in either the sanity or insanity direction will gently caress up that dynamic and mess with the show.
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CloFan posted:I finally caught up on the thread, and can't believe no one has mentioned since the finale that in Elliot's withdrawal dream, Tyrell was holding a key. Encryption key? I'm hoping the series does t go that way, and I don't think it will. The repercussions of fsociey's actions have to be real and not undone by the key, but I think it will come into play in one way or another. Yeah, this is what I worry about too, although at the same time the actual implications of instantly destroying 70% of consumer debt are kind of absurdly huge and I don't know how you make a show about that.
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How about destroying everyones student loan debt? What is the worse that could happen?
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CloFan posted:
The little girl (which I'm assuming is Darlene) gives him the key. He also gives Angela the key. There are more interpretations other than just Tyrell holding the key.
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Huh. I completely forgot/missed the other key references in the sequence. I didn't find a vid of it during a cursory Google before posting that, so I didn't reanalyze.
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Holyshoot posted:Sorry I should have been more specific. I am talking about the maxis games, specifically Sim City and The Sims. However someone should do a re-make of Sim Tower. I spent hours and hours playing that game as well as Sim Copter. The worst example is Dungeon Keeper. EA bought and gutted Bullfrog then gutted the company then sat on DK for 15 years until they shat out Dungeon keeper on iOS where it takes 4 hours to mine a square of dirt unless you pay money to speed it up.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, this is what I worry about too, although at the same time the actual implications of instantly destroying 70% of consumer debt are kind of absurdly huge and I don't know how you make a show about that. Dark Angel was set in that sort of world. Although it was an EMP that wiped out data rather than hacking. I am also worried about how they will accurately capture the downcast of society over time. It won't be an instantaneous bang, but more of a protracted affair where people slowly run out of hard cash, and then start bartering with possessions before ending up on the streets. Some real life examples: - banks have outages from time to time where people can't use ATMs. The country doesn't implode and the people who are affected feel some temporary pain - Greece had to shut the banks down to prevent people doing runs on their accounts. There were queues around the block for days as people tried to get small amounts out of their accounts. The country didn't descend into chaos, but that was primarily due to the central bank propping their economy up at the 11th hour - Germany after WW1. Their money was so worthless that people were using it as wallpaper. The post war government was able to turn around the economy and drastically reduce inflation to bring the Deutschmark back to a usable currency. Not strictly the same, but the country didn't collapse totally as a result.
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If most of the debt was wiped out and banks hosed over wouldn't drug dealers suddenly become even more powerful with all their mounds of cash they have hidden away?
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Holyshoot posted:If most of the debt was wiped out and banks hosed over wouldn't drug dealers suddenly become even more powerful with all their mounds of cash they have hidden away? Hell, a lot of Russian oligarchs got their start from being flush in foreign currencies when everything went down.
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Wow, I blew through this whole season in record time (like, under 36 hours), probably because it just felt like a really long thriller. It's very good. I wanted to discuss something that I'm surprised not to have seen mentioned much, especially considering the show's good Shakespearean instincts: Macbeth. Here are a few of the most obvious parallels. I'm not a Macbeth scholar or anything, in fact I only read it once like 6 years ago.
The only difference is that Tyrell kills the wife of the man he wants to usurp, instead of the man himself, but the gist is that Tyrell is also a man who dreams of being king but is too weak to execute these designs on his own. Joanna, his wife, needs to push him to commit these acts, while also picking up the pieces from the job he botched. To my mind, this is much more satisfying than the baseless speculation that Tyrell is an aspect of Elliot, or whatever. Given how strong the Macbeth parallel is, I would be very surprised if Tyrell is killed by someone other than Elliot (who was "from his mother's womb untimely ripp'd"), if this hasn't happened already. I think Macbeth is a great choice of inspiration for other reasons, like how the three witches seem to know the plot of the play ahead of time, and appear to address the audience as much as they do Macbeth himself. Macbeth is also really short and probably has sections missing (like Elliot's fragmented memory). I hope they follow through on these themes in the second season.
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^^^^ I remember someone itt definitely caught the Lady MacBeth stuff during the season, though they didn't go as in depth with it.Holyshoot posted:If most of the debt was wiped out and banks hosed over wouldn't drug dealers suddenly become even more powerful with all their mounds of cash they have hidden away? Internet nerds could with their bittcoins and meticulously detailed, multi-scenario post apocalypse survival plans, they just gotta find a way to do it from home
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Holyshoot posted:If most of the debt was wiped out and banks hosed over wouldn't drug dealers suddenly become even more powerful with all their mounds of cash they have hidden away? Well it's not like the IRS was hit
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Something I've been thinking about is how different Elliot's personality is in the first scene of the show, when he confronted the pedophile, than it is in every other scene since. He was confident, quipping, sarcastic, and completely lacking in fucks to give. Even the scene of him confronting Christa's douchex later in the same episode didn't really play off that way. Then I thought...what if that very first scene was actually him as Mr. Robot? 
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BrianWilly posted:Something I've been thinking about is how different Elliot's personality is in the first scene of the show, when he confronted the pedophile, than it is in every other scene since. He was confident, quipping, sarcastic, and completely lacking in fucks to give. Even the scene of him confronting Christa's douchex later in the same episode didn't really play off that way. poo poo, this makes perfect sense, I could totally see him saying all that stuff.
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BrianWilly posted:Then I thought...what if that very first scene was actually him as Mr. Robot? I don't think so, cause in that scene Elliot talks about his dad and his death, so it wouldn't make sense if the Mr. Robot personality was in play. I will agree though that his confidence was very different than other instances on the show where he interacts with people.
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Well, I think in one of Elliot's first conversations with Mr. Robot, he said something to Elliot about his dad being a thief or something, doesn't he? It could be that that was not Elliot talking about his dad but the character of Elliot's dad talking about a possibly fictional version of Elliot's grandpa. Kind of a stretch maybe, but "talking about his dad" is something Mr. Robot also does.
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Yeah the thing is, "Mr. Robot" is not Edward Alderson, "Elliot's dad." He's not even actually how Elliot pictures his dad. He manifests as Edward to Elliot, but to everyone else -- like Darlene and Tyrell -- he just acts like he's Elliot. Which...makes sense, because he is Elliot. It's not impossible that he would relate Elliot's life to someone for shits and giggles. I will admit it's definitely not a "Wow it's so obvious in retrospect!!" kind of theory and more of a "Wouldn't it be interesting if?" kind of theory.
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At the end of episode 2, Mr Robot tells Elliot that he also knows what it's like to lose a father. It's a brilliant line.
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I really like the music when Elliott talks to Joanna. It's just two people talking in the street on a pleasant afternoon but the music is screaming "HOLY poo poo DANGER WILL ROBINSON"
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The music is really awesome, even if it does sound that Trent Reznor and Atticus Finch should get royalties.
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I thought the show started out great but then got ruined when it was revealed that Mr. Robot is Elliott. It was one of those things that I wish was not the case because it's so cliche. People in this very thread called it. In fact it went progressively downhill over the last several episodes: 1. Mr. Robot is Elliott's father. (yawn) 2. Mr. Robot isn't real. (yawwwwn) 3. Mr. Robot is actually Elliott! Wow!!! (Zzzzz...) I dunno, I felt that the writers had something great in their hands and somehow botched it. The finale kind of fell flat, and I probably won't bother watching the next season.
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enraged_camel posted:I thought the show started out great but then got ruined when it was revealed that Mr. Robot is Elliott. It was one of those things that I wish was not the case because it's so cliche. People in this very thread called it. Darth Vader being Luke's father (yawn) Planet of the Apes is actually earth (yawwwwwwwn) The secret to doing Borden's transported man trick in The Prestige is that he has a twin (zzzz...)
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Trabandiumium posted:everyone already knew that was the case, it wasn't really a twist for anyone except Elliot. But it was clearly written as a plot twist (in fact, THE twist of the season), so it completely fell flat.
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Good point, my examples are kind of off. The fact is that the plot twist was clearly written for the viewer to pick up on which drives the tension: when and how will Elliot find out. Did you yawn when it was revealed that Elliot didn't even know his own sister?
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enraged_camel posted:I thought the show started out great but then got ruined when it was revealed that Mr. Robot is Elliott. It was one of those things that I wish was not the case because it's so cliche. People in this very thread called it. i'm not sure you know what 'cliche' means its a homage to fight club. they even played a lovely little 'where is my mind' arrangement when he realises that 'i am mr robot'. mr robot is an entire show full of references and homage and pastiche, some very subtle, some very blatant, because that's cyberpunk: a fractured reality/nightmare cemented from the remnants of half-remembered stories
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BrianWilly posted:Then I thought...what if that very first scene was actually him as Mr. Robot? drat, that kinda works. ...I need to watch season 1 again.
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Doctor Butts posted:Did you yawn when it was revealed that Elliot didn't even know his own sister? No, because I didn't see that coming and it was really bizarre and awesome. chaosbreather posted:i'm not sure you know what 'cliche' means That's deep dude...
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Elliot immediately accuses the audience of knowing the whole time, so I'm not sure it was intended to be a huge twist.
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It wasn't supposed to be a huge twist. Maybe the fact that mr robot was a projection of Elliot's dead father wasn't supposed to be known, but the show made it pretty obvious from at least the second episode that mr robot wasn't real. The show was originally written as a movie, with the first season being the first act, and the point of the first act was to introduce characters and to reveal the state of Elliot's mind. The real meat of the story hasn't even really started yet.
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enraged_camel posted:But it was clearly written as a plot twist (in fact, THE twist of the season), so it completely fell flat. No, it wasn't? Sorry you're bad at watching TV. Literally on page 2: DivisionPost posted:I love that the show not only seems to anticipate that the viewer's reaction will be "Oh, he's going Tyler Durden," but pretty much responds by saying "Yeah, what if he is?"
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Yeah, the tension is not "omg who is Mr Robot" it's "how is Elliot going to react and change when he realizes that he's Mr Robot and loses his external anchor". We shared the disruption of the Darlene reveal with Elliot, to put us in a sympathetic framing with him. Then we got to watch him discover something more disruptive that we knew/suspected all along, with that memory fresh in our minds. The writers don't have any illusions that it's unexpected; they stop just shy of explicitly telling us just to leave a bit more kick in watching Elliot go through the reset of his world. It's telegraphed all along, because we're supposed to know that it's coming, that Mr Robot isn't what he seems to be, and that Elliot -- already off balance in a bunch of ways -- is going to take a serious blow.
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CloFan posted:No, it wasn't? Sorry you're bad at watching TV. Glad you read up to page 2. Let me give you some quotes from pages 17-20: Spergatory posted:Ghost Dad we totally called, but I don't think anybody predicted SisDarlene. muscles like this? posted:So there's basically two options here: steakmancer posted:Essentially Eliot's dad never died and turned Eliot into an autistic hacking machine with some good old-fashioned familiar neglect insider posted:Another strong episode and the first one with Mr. Robot alone talking to another character? Tailored Sauce posted:Love this show's cinematography and storylines. I still think the pilot has been the best episode, but each episode so far has been strong in its own way. So yeah, most people in this thread (including the OP) must be "bad at watching TV".
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