Mafia Discussion Thread: Calling Each Other Idiots in the Name of Fun

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Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

Also when Met did it my first thought was "who the gently caress is Met" so do with that information what you will. At this moment I'm focusing on people who played waaaay back in the day. There's a method here.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 10:50

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# ? May 4, 2024 03:31

EccoRaven: Aug 15, 2004; there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

right ok but I still think you should just hold off a few days. it literally doesn't hurt to wait a few more days once we have everything figured out.

you can do what you will but I think it's important to get things right the first time.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 10:59

busb: Mar 19, 2009; Thorgie

I can't speak for everyone but i really dislike big mafia games, but soldiers games are really different and enjoyable.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 11:05

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

busb posted:

I can't speak for everyone but i really dislike big mafia games, but soldiers games are really different and enjoyable.

Yeah the specific complaint seems to not be "I dislike soldiers" but "I can't keep up with large games" and soldiers just makes that more difficult

# ? Sep 22, 2015 11:10

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

All that to say: I'm holding off on contacting more vets for a few more days because Ecco asked me to. In the meantime anyone who's been thinking of running a game, you might want to finish your setup. In my opinion if we have a steady stream of interesting games in the next few months, that's gonna be what keeps people coming back.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 12:28

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

ok here's some mafia theory discusso

i used a Loudmouth-type role for the first time in XCOM II. In that case, I made it a Loudmouth Watcher; the watcher's results would be publicly announced by me on the start of the new day, e.g.

On Night 2, Met was detected near Tremendous Taste!

I thought it was a pretty interesting take on investigative roles. This was a fairly role-heavy game with a lot of ability for people to visit others, but I certainly wouldn't put it on a regular cop. Anyone else use a Loudmouth modifier, what did you think of it?

# ? Sep 22, 2015 14:09

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3742528

CARTOONS

also re: loudmouth, I thought it was neat foo and plan on using it.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:08

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

sweet 700 new posts, o wait

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:13

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

That loudmouth thing was awesome foo

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:15

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Magnus Gallant posted:

Everybody be quiet. Met the biggest pussy in existence needs you to agree with him

lmaoooo

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:29

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Deadbeat Dad posted:

Like, the discussion I had with JakeP a few weeks ago annoyed me a bit where it was like "yeah you don't need to post more than a sentence to get through to somebody, if you could say something in 5 words instead of a paragraph you obviously do that, gently caress actually putting in effort I play to win, I dont play for the mod" was the gist of what he was saying.

Alternatively, I played against JakeP and a few other townies the following game I signed up for (BottleKnights game), town barely did anything and it was the easiest scum win ever for Dhaes and Keane and I because town had a bunch of people that had a similar posting style as JakeP, also, Lumpen. To be fair Jake actually put in effort I'm not accusing him of anything that game, just saying a lot of town barely posted and if they did it was like "yeah I agree with dhaes" "ok lets do this"

tldr: not telling people how to play, but if everybody put in 10 or 20% more effort into games it actually helps!! people enjoy fun games!! people actually read these games and notice how much fun or not that we're having!!

I ended up losing a lot of interest after day 1 or 2 of that game after the Lumpen lynch. He was pretty obviously town tracker like he claimed, especially when Bowmore basically cofirmed his flavor, but then still wanted to thunderdome him.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:56

100YrsofAttitude: Apr 29, 2013

I think that was the longest I had ever seen the thread stay on topic. I think Bottles is going to make a thread so that's fine, but did anyone notice that when a question was asked it was usually promptly answered and discussed? Despite all the chat people do stay on topic and respond to things really regularly.

I'm going back to Europe tomorrow evening. It's been very nice to be back in New England and I managed to see everyone that mattered the most to me. Everyone seems to be doing so well and we seem to be so grown-up and doing mature, responsible things. Adult life is funny and weird, and it makes me miss the spontaneity of youth but the stability and comfort is quite a nice trade-off.

So... I guess when I'm back home I can go back to replacing into games when needed. Or play via invite. I feel that's a better way to make sure games can both be run and completed, because there's nothing worse to me than a game floundering due to inactivity.

What buzzfeeds have I missed?

Tremendous Taste posted:

As long as they don't flip "backup X" I'm all for them.

How should back-ups flip otherwise?

# ? Sep 22, 2015 15:57

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Zuchini is one of my favorite fruits. I just fry them in olive oil and add salt + pepper, sometimes I fry up some garlic with them

# ? Sep 22, 2015 16:07

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

Rarity posted:

So you're saying you wouldn't go on pause if someone at -1 claimed cop or doctor?

not if I thought they were scum

# ? Sep 22, 2015 16:09

JakeP: Apr 27, 2003; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Lipstick Apathy

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Yeah a guy I went to HS with threw up on a 10 year old girl

we had no classes together but I did know him as dumbass stoner # 2

He got rung up for assault

I remember that, philly fans are brutal

# ? Sep 22, 2015 16:13

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Captain Foo posted:

ok here's some mafia theory discusso

i used a Loudmouth-type role for the first time in XCOM II. In that case, I made it a Loudmouth Watcher; the watcher's results would be publicly announced by me on the start of the new day, e.g.

On Night 2, Met was detected near Tremendous Taste!

I thought it was a pretty interesting take on investigative roles. This was a fairly role-heavy game with a lot of ability for people to visit others, but I certainly wouldn't put it on a regular cop. Anyone else use a Loudmouth modifier, what did you think of it?

Seems that it strips some strategic depth and player agency out of the game, which lowers the skill level but also potentially some of the tension that makes Mafia compelling. It can be balanced and may be helpful in games where role madness makes things so complex and ambiguous that having Mod Confirmation of certain facts keeps the players from being overwhelmed to the point of total confusion (which kills conversation).
I tend to think that having a Town Role increases the responsibility burden of the player in few ways... by requiring them to choose targets wisely, by requiring them to conceal their role and determine the appropriate time to claim, and by requiring them to use the information gained by the role wisely. Choosing what to announce, what to conceal, and when. Flitering the knowledge through cases, or roleclaiming. And all those parts can make the game more engaging, and also present the other players with things to discuss, whether claims are to be believed, whether results are to be trusted, whether claimed targets are congruent with stated opinions. The Loudmouth drains a lot of that yummy complexity out of the game, and I'm not sure if I can imagine what it adds.

It seems like the Loudmputh mechanic doesn't enhance discussion and player-focused game outcomes, rather tending toward making the outcome rely on automated factors embedded in the setup. This could be seen as a good or a bad thing depending on what players are lookin for in a game. As for me, I prefer maximizing player agency and the impact of player decision-making. I feel the appropriate level of Mod-given info is only the setup details revealed in the OP, and flips. The unconfirmability of role PM's amd night results is an important part of the fun.

Thats a pretty contrarian analysis, I'd be interested in someone making the affirmative case for the role!

# ? Sep 22, 2015 16:43

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Lumpen posted:

Seems that it strips some strategic depth and player agency out of the game, which lowers the skill level but also potentially some of the tension that makes Mafia compelling. It can be balanced and may be helpful in games where role madness makes things so complex and ambiguous that having Mod Confirmation of certain facts keeps the players from being overwhelmed to the point of total confusion (which kills conversation).
I tend to think that having a Town Role increases the responsibility burden of the player in few ways... by requiring them to choose targets wisely, by requiring them to conceal their role and determine the appropriate time to claim, and by requiring them to use the information gained by the role wisely. Choosing what to announce, what to conceal, and when. Flitering the knowledge through cases, or roleclaiming. And all those parts can make the game more engaging, and also present the other players with things to discuss, whether claims are to be believed, whether results are to be trusted, whether claimed targets are congruent with stated opinions. The Loudmouth drains a lot of that yummy complexity out of the game, and I'm not sure if I can imagine what it adds.

It seems like the Loudmputh mechanic doesn't enhance discussion and player-focused game outcomes, rather tending toward making the outcome rely on automated factors embedded in the setup. This could be seen as a good or a bad thing depending on what players are lookin for in a game. As for me, I prefer maximizing player agency and the impact of player decision-making. I feel the appropriate level of Mod-given info is only the setup details revealed in the OP, and flips. The unconfirmability of role PM's amd night results is an important part of the fun.

Thats a pretty contrarian analysis, I'd be interested in someone making the affirmative case for the role!

I sort of agree with you, in the sense that a lot of interesting things in the game come from someone announcing results and people figuring out how much to trust them, and Loudmouthing the results negates that. The game I used it in, however, was a role-heavy game. I don't know what the threshold is for "madness," but it may have qualified. The other important thing about that game is that only flavor - which did bear resemblance to the role, but often did not explain it completely - and alignment flipped.

A couple of people who were in that game have chimed in so far, but if they'd like to shine any more light on why they liked it (or didn't, if someone else has an opinion) that would be cool too!

# ? Sep 22, 2015 16:59

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

You also should consider that watchers are hard roles to balance around.

They're far more game swingy than a cop since "I watched Ecco last night and the only person who visited him was Lumpen, also Ecco is now dead" is as damning as it gets, yet the watcher can also be completely useless the entire game. A cop can at least clear people, a watcher who doesn't guess correctly is useless at worst and draws suspicion if there's other watching/tracking roles at best.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:09

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

If only someone would design a game with nothing but trackers and doctors.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:12

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Look Under The Rock posted:

If only someone would design a game with nothing but trackers and doctors.

jon joe ran Everyone is a RoleCop and Tracker

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:16

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

Captain Foo posted:

jon joe ran Everyone is a RoleCop and Tracker

Ecco ran one where the setup was basically all doctors and trackers. I think I was scum in that one? It was pretty fun.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:19

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:24

TMMadman: Sep 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

CapitalistPig posted:

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

You're an idiot.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:25

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

CapitalistPig posted:

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:26

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

TMMadman posted:

You're an idiot.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:27

Jump King: Aug 10, 2011

You can't make everybody a tracker, that ruins the tension. Four trackers should be good.

CapitalistPig posted:

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

And also, I will try to not be a dick outside of games too.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:41

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

MMM Whatchya Say posted:

You can't make everybody a tracker, that ruins the tension. Four trackers should be good.

idk it was a pretty fun game, there were some other roles on top of RC+T that everyone was

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:42

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

CapitalistPig posted:

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

good atmosphere is good.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:45

Jump King: Aug 10, 2011

Captain Foo posted:

idk it was a pretty fun game, there were some other roles on top of RC+T that everyone was

I was just joking around because at the same time I ran a game with 4 trackers (jj based rolecop and tracker off of that)

Role and Tracker was fun and incredibly frustrating as scum.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:45

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

People who normally wouldn't join my games should join my cartoon game.

It's gonna be good I can feel it in my bones.

also RARITY is in it.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:49

Diqnol: May 10, 2010

CapitalistPig posted:

I hereby pledge to stop telling people they are dumb and calling them idiots during mafia games.

I don't.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 17:59

Opopanax: Aug 8, 2007; I HEX YE!!!

I'm trying to be a more positive person in general and paradigm shift myself to happiness, so I am on board with the niceness pledge.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:02

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

MMM Whatchya Say posted:

I was just joking around because at the same time I ran a game with 4 trackers (jj based rolecop and tracker off of that)

Role and Tracker was fun and incredibly frustrating as scum.

oh, lol

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:03

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

I don't.

I know, it's ok, I wasn't expecting anyone else to do it tbh

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:03

EccoRaven: Aug 15, 2004; there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

CapitalistPig posted:

I know, it's ok, I wasn't expecting anyone else to do it tbh

I will do it too. When I occasionally read my old games and see me calling people dumb, I cringe irl because it may have felt good at the time but on reflection it always made me less, if that makes sense.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:05

hexwren: Feb 27, 2008

Lumpen posted:

Seems that it strips some strategic depth and player agency out of the game, which lowers the skill level but also potentially some of the tension that makes Mafia compelling.

This is a longwinded way of saying "I prefer arguing about things and town remaining confused instead of having evidence."

##vote Lumpen

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:06

Diqnol: May 10, 2010

Actually it makes you more

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:07

EccoRaven: Aug 15, 2004; there is only one hell:
the one we live in now

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Actually it makes you more

more... of a big fat jerk!!

good thanks diqnol you're a real pal.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:08

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

I have a take it or leave it attitude towards being a jerk in games, but I do think we need to remember that this thread is not a game and nobody is scum and we should try to keep it civil in here.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:11

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# ? May 4, 2024 03:31

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

typical scumbo response, Asiina.

# ? Sep 22, 2015 18:17

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