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Kazinsal posted:That is unironically close to what our mutual friend laid out, except you sprung for eight cores instead of thirty-six. Dual socket systems are going to be absolutely worse for gaming, stay away. For multi-SLI the X99 platform stuff is actually OK though.
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I've actually been toying with the idea of splitting out the Parts Picking Megathread into two threads, one for Value builds and one for Performance/Enthusiast builds. The first one would be the current thread, and the second would be for people that post in this and the Overclocking thread. What do you folks think about this idea?
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I like the idea of splitting up the parts picking thread into "regular users/gamers" and "people with high end tasks and goals". The main reason I posted my dilemma here is because I like the lighthearted but knowledgeable atmosphere in this thread. Maybe poll the overclocking thread about merging overclocking + enthusiast GPU + enthusiast parts/builds into one thread? Just a thought. For my buddy, I'm thinking about going with X99 + SLI 980 Ti since he wants to do 1440p and recording/rendering at 60fps. If he wasn't planning on doing video work I'd say "hell with that, let's just wait for the 6700K to show up at retail in Canada".
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Oct 1, 2015 20:11
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Yeah, as long as we keep that sweet, sweet knowledge base I don't care what you call it.
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I guess it depends on the game but I can do 1440p recording with minimal FPS loss in most of them, with "just" an i7-4770k and a single 980Ti, so that will definitely work great.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:18
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Kazinsal posted:I like the idea of splitting up the parts picking thread into "regular users/gamers" and "people with high end tasks and goals". The main reason I posted my dilemma here is because I like the lighthearted but knowledgeable atmosphere in this thread. Maybe poll the overclocking thread about merging overclocking + enthusiast GPU + enthusiast parts/builds into one thread? Just a thought.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:18
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Alereon posted:If anything we'd like less concentration of topics into megathreads, so combining existing megathreads isn't likely to happen. The main reason I want to do this is because the Parts Picking Megathread seems really focused on value and seems to react pretty negatively to performance/enthusiast builds. I can see why the megathread combining would be a concern in most cases. I'm just a bit concerned that another thread that targets enthusiasts would thin the already low post rate in the OC thread even further -- there's only about 30-40 posts per month there as opposed to the 25 pages of posts that were made in this thread in September alone. You're totally right on the parts picking megathread being averse to high-end builds. And I agree with Gyrotica -- as long as whatever happens is still an enthusiast computer janitor's support group, I'll post in it.
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Alereon posted:I've actually been toying with the idea of splitting out the Parts Picking Megathread into two threads, one for Value builds and one for Performance/Enthusiast builds. The first one would be the current thread, and the second would be for people that post in this and the Overclocking thread. What do you folks think about this idea? I'm not a huge fan personally.
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Alereon posted:I've actually been toying with the idea of splitting out the Parts Picking Megathread into two threads, one for Value builds and one for Performance/Enthusiast builds. The first one would be the current thread, and the second would be for people that post in this and the Overclocking thread. What do you folks think about this idea?
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Oct 1, 2015 20:39
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Gwaihir posted:Encoding those recordings is definitely just about the only common home use thing that 100% scales from more cores too though! Yeah, it's the only reason I went with an i7 over an i5.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:41
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Truga posted:According to steam, 27% of users game on 1366x768, I poo poo you not: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey 
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mmkay posted:2,7% of users have a singular core How long has it been since single cores even came out?
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Oct 1, 2015 21:31
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xthetenth posted:How long has it been since single cores even came out? On Intel it would be a Pentium 4 wouldn't it? Yikes.
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xthetenth posted:How long has it been since single cores even came out? Germstore posted:On Intel it would be a Pentium 4 wouldn't it? Yikes. Two or three bottom-end SB Celerons were single core.
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Probably those $139 black friday laptops or something playing dota
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LittleBob posted:What's the old GPU market like? You're not going to get everything you paid back out of it, but it's definitely not worthless either. OG Titans are still the only game in town for low-cost double-precision compute, so there's still a thriving market of grad students/etc who are after them. If you were in the US I'd be interested. EVGA had B-stock units for $350 about a month ago, and you'll probably be able to get more than that since prices overseas are higher to begin with. A 970 is about 8% faster in terms of game performance, and the Titan consumes more power, so it's not a fantastic deal just for gaming. But compared to what NVIDIA charges for Tesla cards it's a steal, since it's essentially a K20X without the ECC memory. Err, I mean it's worthless, I guess I'll pay you to ship it over if you want. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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I was surprised that dual cores are still dominant, especially the way some games are coded to not run on fewer than four cores. I guess those games are still in the minority.
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Panty Saluter posted:I was surprised that dual cores are still dominant, especially the way some games are coded to not run on fewer than four cores. I guess those games are still in the minority. I wonder if they count only physical cores? i3s and fake laptop i5s and poo poo being counted as 2 cores would make sense.
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I only really encountered that issue with Far Cry 4 when I was messing with a anniversary pentium.
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Panty Saluter posted:I was surprised that dual cores are still dominant, especially the way some games are coded to not run on fewer than four cores. I guess those games are still in the minority. All of those games have workarounds for two cores or two threads to be more specific.
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cat doter posted:I wonder if they count only physical cores? i3s and fake laptop i5s and poo poo being counted as 2 cores would make sense. What makes a laptop i5 or i7 "fake"? i3/i5/i7 is just a marketing name and doesn't say anything about how many cores it has.
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Kazinsal posted:People who play Team Fortress 2 on a $300 laptop. Kazinsal posted:Two or three bottom-end SB Celerons were single core. I got a Compaq CQ56-115DX as part of a class-action settlement for the NVIDIA chip bumping problems back in 2011 (headline: "Customers get shafted in Nvidia class action suit"). It had a 15.6" 1366x768 screen (that you could see the individual, gravelly pixels on) and a blazing fast AMD V140 2.3 GHz single-core CPU (roughly comparable to an Athlon 64 3800+). It was pokey as hell out of the box, but after I replaced the HDD with a cheap SSD and installed Lubuntu it has been reasonably usable for normal desktop tasks. With the assistance of the onboard GPU I can reliably decode 720p video! 1080p is right out though. But at the end of 2012 I ended up buying a super-cheapo Thinkpad W510 with a Quadro 880M for like $375 so I could develop CUDA on the go. Nowadays they're down closer to $250. 1600x900 screen and I can reliably hit >60fps in TF2 on low settings, and that keyboard... 
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Twerk from Home posted:What makes a laptop i5 or i7 "fake"? i3/i5/i7 is just a marketing name and doesn't say anything about how many cores it has. The i5 line up is supposed to be mainstream quad core. Some i5 on laptops are dual core with hyperthreading. Desktop i5 are quad with absolutely no model having hyperthreading.
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SlayVus posted:The i5 line up is supposed to be mainstream quad core. Some i5 on laptops are dual core with hyperthreading. Desktop i5 are quad with absolutely no model having hyperthreading. Ehh, in low power settings dual with hyperthreading makes a lot of sense. Really, it'd just be awesome if they made it clear whether it was ultrabook, low power or high power for laptop chips and the i_ was for status in that group.
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Alereon posted:If anything we'd like less concentration of topics into megathreads, so combining existing megathreads isn't likely to happen. The main reason I want to do this is because the Parts Picking Megathread seems really focused on value and seems to react pretty negatively to performance/enthusiast builds. I think people just need to have it beaten into them that value doesn't just mean cheap - it means getting the most for your budget, whether that budget is $1k or $4k. That being said, there are alt of people who don't have a good idea of what a reasonable budget for a particular scenario is, and are attempting to spend far more money than they could possibly need. I'm not sold on the two threads idea though - I think having one thread works better, but last time I was there it was starting to become a rabble, so maybe more needs to be done in that regard.
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Most people have already had it beaten into them that there's two types of "value"--value in the sense of, as you say, getting a lot for your money, regardless of what the price-point is. Then there's the Great Value! Super Best Buy! type "value" where you are, in fact, talking about the cheap end of the spectrum. There can be overlap, of course (cheap item where you still get a lot for the price), but I think that the vast majority of people who see"Value X" are going to assume you're talking the second sense, not necessarily the first. Also, the Parts Picking thread is actively hostile to most anything that doesn't fall into either of those senses of value. If I want advice on how to make a water-cooled SLI 980Ti box to push tri-1440p displays because I god damned want to, the megathread more often than not will question why I'd even want to do something like that, rather than give helpful advice about such a Cadillac build. It seems like there is a general assumption that there's no reason to ever consider spending more than like $1500-$2000 at the very most, and anything above that is wasteful. To that end, a thread for the 1%ers might not be a bad idea.
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SlayVus posted:The i5 line up is supposed to be mainstream quad core. Some i5 on laptops are dual core with hyperthreading. Desktop i5 are quad with absolutely no model having hyperthreading. Up to broadwell all laptop i5s are dual core with hypertheading, as are all ULV i7s There are also occasional dual core desktop i5s (some of the T suffix CPUs) As for Steam it reports cores not threads, and just because a system has Steam installed it doesn't mean it is going to have games run on it (especially now streaming works so well) dissss fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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My 660ti is getting a little long in the tooth. Performs fine, but starting to get hotter as time goes on, I hit 95 today playing CS:GO, which it's never done before. I don't have the shekels for a new GPU right now so I was looking at gpu coolers to try and extend the life of this little guy. I've never used one and was wondering what opinions are on them. And if anyone might have a recommendation for a reasonably priced one. Edit: Current heat problem also due to being in the hottest 5 square ft of my new apartment, which unfortunately, is the only place I can have my PC set up.
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It's kinda silly to look into legit GPU coolers if your intent is to stay on a budget. Most of the ones worth bothering with are $75+. What might be worthwhile for you is to see how hard it would be to remove the current cooler and clean/reapply the TIM. If environment is a problem, you can always take the ghetto route: pop the side off the case and strap a big 'ol box fan on there.
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DrDork posted:Also, the Parts Picking thread is actively hostile to most anything that doesn't fall into either of those senses of value. Yeah I have run into this. Sometimes I want to know the best way to implement a bad idea. Value not being a concern
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Daysvala posted:Are you running EVGA Precision X and Windows 10? MSI Afterburner on Windows 8 still.
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Twerk from Home posted:What makes a laptop i5 or i7 "fake"? i3/i5/i7 is just a marketing name and doesn't say anything about how many cores it has. For desktop CPUs the naming conventions are fairly consistent with a few deviations here and there, the laptop line is pure anarchy! Dual cores with hyperthreading for everyone!
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LLeGGo posted:My 660ti is getting a little long in the tooth. Performs fine, but starting to get hotter as time goes on, I hit 95 today playing CS:GO, which it's never done before. I don't have the shekels for a new GPU right now so I was looking at gpu coolers to try and extend the life of this little guy. I've never used one and was wondering what opinions are on them. And if anyone might have a recommendation for a reasonably priced one. The best you can probably do if you don't want to spend some cash is just take the cooler off, clean the fan and fins of dust, and replace the no doubt totally dead thermal paste on your GPU. That can give you some decent temperature reductions even on a brand new card, so for an old 660TI it will probably do wonders.
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cat doter posted:For desktop CPUs the naming conventions are fairly consistent with a few deviations here and there, the laptop line is pure anarchy! Dual cores with hyperthreading for everyone! Yeah, when there's three different power levels getting mixed together, the i3/5/7 notation falls apart. For laptops they should give the TDP as well as performance bracket. Also a high end builds thread would be cool just for talking about what the technology can do rather than what my wallet can do. Stuff like water cooled quadruple video cards so I have room for an 8x PCIe SSD. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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xthetenth posted:Yeah, when there's three different power levels getting mixed together, the i3/5/7 notation falls apart. For laptops they should give the TDP as well as performance bracket.
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Stanley Pain posted:You'd all be shocked how many people "play games" @ 10-20 FPS. I'm way more shocked at how our mediocre Acer laptop handles games on its bullshit nVidia 540m GPU. It's surprisingly well, actually, I play a lot of XCom on that and with everything on low at its native resolution (which is low, I'm part of that 22% or whatever when I play on the laptop) it runs at a fairly steady 30fps on average, even on bigger maps. I've had success with a lot of games that have pretty scalable engines, though the tech wonders are a no-go and, more frustratingly I guess, poorly optimized indie games give it some trouble. Even 2D ones, if they have a lot of framebuffer stuff going on. Don't get me wrong, it chokes on some games REALLY bad, but that little poo poo mobile chip from 2011 is letting me actually play stuff when I can't be at my computer so I appreciate it all the same. Definitely has retuned my thinking about how much of a video card I "need" to have. I'll probably get the next mid-range card that performs as well as the 780Ti, or one step up from the mid-range if they have something analogous to the 570, 670, etc. at the time. It would take some pretty impressive graphics technology that was more than just "it's modestly prettier now!" and maybe VR will offer that sooner than I think, but I dunno.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:They do, it's just deliberately obtuse: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html Yeah, it's more that when advertising it's always just i7, and by the time you see the suffices, you've already got the model number and so on.
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LLeGGo posted:My 660ti is getting a little long in the tooth. Performs fine, but starting to get hotter as time goes on, I hit 95 today playing CS:GO, which it's never done before. I don't have the shekels for a new GPU right now so I was looking at gpu coolers to try and extend the life of this little guy. I've never used one and was wondering what opinions are on them. And if anyone might have a recommendation for a reasonably priced one. I'd do like Dork suggested & reapply thermal paste - how often do you clean out your case? Have you checked for any other fan problems to see if airflow is getting messed up?
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Agreed posted:I'm way more shocked at how our mediocre Acer laptop handles games on its bullshit nVidia 540m GPU. It's surprisingly well, actually, I play a lot of XCom on that and with everything on low at its native resolution (which is low, I'm part of that 22% or whatever when I play on the laptop) it runs at a fairly steady 30fps on average, even on bigger maps. I've had success with a lot of games that have pretty scalable engines, though the tech wonders are a no-go and, more frustratingly I guess, poorly optimized indie games give it some trouble. Even 2D ones, if they have a lot of framebuffer stuff going on. I've been surprised by my Asus UX305(yes I know it's a modern chip) with what I can throw at it and still consider the game "playable". Other times I'm shocked that a simple looking game can perform so badly  . My desktop builds have always been into the Enthusiast range so I'm pretty picky on what I call playable. I also have an older ASUS K series with AMD A6 APU and that can pleasantly run a lot of things as well.Thankfully when I'm at home and on the couch Steam in home streaming saves the day.
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