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AP posted:And miss Citizen Con? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5tpFX3_xA
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I bet he just assumed that because his own people can turn around a ship sale in three hours that other entities would work the same way. And what the gently caress was he doing spending 8 hours writing that pile of poo poo? If you look at it as 8 hours he wasn't calling some poor dev an idiot or asking them to redo 5 months of work because of cargo pants, it was 8 hours well spent.
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Agrajag posted:Sadly the concept of budgeting and finances is anathema to the types that willingly part with large sums of cash based on flimsy business plans (or lack thereof) and purchasing things based on a flimsy promise of delivering "something" that is completely divorced from the reality. I am looking forward to the cook at Burger King telling me how he can give a precise estimate plus minus 5 seconds on how long it takes him to cook a burger and how that makes him an expert on evaluating software project overruns
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I bet he just assumed that because his own people can turn around a ship sale in three hours that other entities would work the same way. And what the gently caress was he doing spending 8 hours writing that pile of poo poo? Stalking on twitter for good quotes of-course
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Oct 2, 2015 14:38
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SirTagz posted:I am looking forward to the cook at Burger King telling me how he can give a precise estimate plus minus 5 seconds on how long it takes him to cook a burger and how that makes him an expert on evaluating software project overruns Congrats, you completely miss the point. It's the fact that you are handing over money to these crowdfunding schemes when you have no clue how badly they will ultimately not know how to budget their funds because hey they already got all they asked for in full. edit: youre loving dumb Agrajag fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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SirTagz posted:I am looking forward to the cook at Burger King telling me how he can give a precise estimate plus minus 5 seconds on how long it takes him to cook a burger and how that makes him an expert on evaluating software project overruns You seem to misunderstand project management.
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Oct 2, 2015 14:42
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Xaerael posted:The box art for the game HAS BEEN LEAKED. Don't get too hyped too quickly, but I think this is a game changer... I'm probably taking back all my dissent. The game actually looks fun now! 
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Oct 2, 2015 14:44
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AP posted:Chris Roberts sent his response in time, he just forgot to include the Escapist on the email from what I can make out. Sounds like David Swofford had to forward the reply to them when he noticed. Even better. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:And what the gently caress was he doing spending 8 hours writing that pile of poo poo? He went face down in a pile of coke, 7 1/2 hrs later realised he'd better actually do something.
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For those interested I'll be selling tshirts with "Derek Smart was right" on them in the future. I currently have concept art on sale for $15,000 each.
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SirTagz posted:I am looking forward to the cook at Burger King telling me how he can give a precise estimate plus minus 5 seconds on how long it takes him to cook a burger and how that makes him an expert on evaluating software project overruns I keep returning to December 2013, the DFM had been promised before the end of the year and Chris Roberts left it until the 16th of December to tell everyone, actually no, not happening. It didn't ship to everyone for another 8 months though a few people got it 2 months earlier. I've said this several times before, he knew weeks/months in advance it wasn't going to ship and he kept that secret so he didn't gently caress up the "end of LTI" (lol) sale in November 2013. The dude is flat out dishonest and I don't see why anyone believes anything he says at this point. Now it's possible that someone dishonest can release an expensive game even with a drama queen wife being nasty to everyone, it's still possible to do that, they just need a lot of money and time. Star Citizen backers appear willing to give him as much time as he wants, but if it's true they are running out of money, they are completely hosed. AP fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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A self-described "eccentric and vocal personality",[16] Smart is renowned for lengthy and aggressive online responses to perceived criticism.[17] Computer Games Magazine wrote that "over time, his reputation as an online defender of his games and unabashed pistol-whipper of his enemies overshadows the games themselves."[18] In an interview which was featured on the cover page of Computer Gaming World, Smart said of his online persona: "Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble."[17] A 2012 in-depth article regarding the disconnect between his real-life and online alter-ego was authored by media veteran Russ Pitts and published by The Verge.[19]
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:dreams are happening now they're ok at best
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Eve Online is pretty much the only good space sim and then you can't really pilot the ships since you're one dude piloting a ship that's 7km long and that game is full of the worst kind of nerds
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quote:I am going to go with the one who shows their sources. The Escapist won't show theirs, and the fact that the article reads like it was written by Derek Smart tells me all I need to know about who their source is. Chris Roberts and all of the people at CIG are a much more valid source than anything that smells as if it's been tainted by Derek Smart. This is not the first time I've seen a self-important twat on the internet trying to spread drama for the purposes of advancing their own career. Welp, every cult has to have their boogeyman, and while not quite Satan I guess Derek Smart just works for them.
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Tusen Takk posted:Eve Online is pretty much the only good space sim and then you can't really pilot the ships since you're one dude piloting a ship that's 7km long space coffin best coffin
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IronicDongz posted:why do these nerds care so much about space sims anyways i can only assume the high point in their lives was playing descent/wing commander
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IronicDongz posted:why do these nerds care so much about space sims anyways also, PC gaming isn't dead. And I have no idea why they keep saying that. Agrajag posted:i can only assume the high point in their lives was playing descent/wing commander Far as I can gather, the X-Wing games, and especially TIE-Fighter were much better than the Wing Commander series.
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The fondest memories I have of Eve Online, a Space Simulation game, is from scamming pubbies out of billions of ISK if Star Citizen ever launches then it would probably be the same
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Tusen Takk posted:Eve Online is pretty much the only good space sim and then you can't really pilot the ships since you're one dude piloting a ship that's 7km long The first is Dwarf Fortress.
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lauresh posted:For those interested I'll be selling tshirts with "Derek Smart was right" on them in the future. I currently have concept art on sale for $15,000 each. is that just for one or is it a package deal for all future concepts and imaginings as well?
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The best part about this whole mess is that in response to allegations that Chris Roberts is a micro-managing control freak who can't delegate and is mismanaging the program into the ground he drops everything to spend an entire workday creeping Twitter.
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There might be a few fireworks when the Star Citizen reddit finds out that the person who wrote the Escapist piece is a goon.
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I'd just like to say, I enjoy occasionally dropping into this thread to see bitter nerds shambling about. I missed the bomb blast, but I'm here for the afterparty! I'll be the first one in line if SC turns out to be a good game. I'm not following development closely anymore, so I have nothing to be mad about (also, I'm net positive $ on internet spaceships). I'm too busy with life/work, and playing other video games when I have time. Just to be honest, playing AC didn't really do it for me. Lots of cool systems, and great thought went into it obviously, but it just doesn't do it for me like the X-Wing games or Freespace did. Beer, I still have that Caterpillar you sold me, and it's my anchor into SC.
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Tusen Takk posted:The fondest memories I have of Eve Online, a Space Simulation game, is from scamming pubbies out of billions of ISK EVE Online remains one of my fondest gaming experiences. The feeling that it was real and consequential was amazing. Pity the gameplay is so loving boring.
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brakanjan posted:is that just for one or is it a package deal for all future concepts and imaginings as well? I'll be selling packages later but totally not with LTI unless I feel like it in which case the sales will have LTI.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:EVE Online remains one of my fondest gaming experiences. The feeling that it was real and consequential was amazing. Pity the gameplay is so loving boring. Scamming, scamming made you feel alive AP posted:There might be a few fireworks when the Star Citizen reddit finds out that the person who wrote the Escapist piece is a goon. 
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Stalkerr posted:I'd just like to say, I enjoy occasionally dropping into this thread to see bitter nerds shambling about. I missed the bomb blast, but I'm here for the afterparty! The reason I'm still here is because this whole experience has been fascinating. The rage, the drama, people spending more money in response to an article about how CIG is wasting it, it's an amazing deep dive into humanity. The game itself loving sucks. AC is an abortion, the social module is basically WoW in space with fewer emotes, and frankly the emphasis on mini-games that the PU seems to be going for holds no interest for me. But the phenomena? Incredible.
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AP posted:I keep returning to December 2013, the DFM had been promised before the end of the year and Chris Roberts left it until the 16th of December to tell everyone, actually no, not happening. It didn't ship to everyone for another 8 months though a few people got it 2 months earlier. I just had an overly emotional reaction to a guy who equates printing out reports from construction cost estimate software to giving estimates about developing complex software components. CR's problem is that he keeps moving his own goalposts. That makes him a lovely manager and a tease but I do not believe he is deliberately dishonest at the time he gives these hosed up estimates.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part about this whole mess is that in response to allegations that Chris Roberts is a micro-managing control freak who can't delegate and is mismanaging the program into the ground he drops everything to spend an entire workday creeping Twitter. Y'see that's the bit that tickles me, too. He also seems to be completely unaware that this kind of article is intended to shake the trees, and that the worst thing you can do is hit 'send' on a rant that you completed at 5am. This isn't really over and two inflammatory people are involved. AP posted:There might be a few fireworks when the Star Citizen reddit finds out that the person who wrote the Escapist piece is a goon. Third section in on the 'adulation of chairman Roberts', just under his rant. SirTagz posted:I just had an overly emotional reaction to a guy who equates printing out reports from construction cost estimate software to giving estimates about developing complex software components. The goal of project management is to avoid the overruns in cost and time that blow out the project budget, mainly by loving up the critical path. It requires a couple of things; An accurate idea of what the finished product will be, and the various costs and resources that it will take to get there. It doesn't really matter what the end product actually is, because it still operates on the concept of materials and labor, and the critical path. Now that you have a bare understanding of what that involves, if their critical path indicated that the DFM would be complete at a point, why shift tracks and the entire plan to complete a different thing? Where are their promised deadlines coming from? How far are they off completion of anything? Are they really now running at an 8-12 month deficit, and are they engaging in a ponzi because their budget doesn't cover the rest of the planning? If, as you assert, Croberts is the _project manager_, then he's loving terrible at it, simply because of the overruns, changing the critical focus in mid-stream and clouding the issues with various pronouncements about how people have no idea what's going on, other than they're still selling assets for a game that still does not exist in a world that is rapidly tiring of the crowdfunding promises. Hav fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Randarkman posted:also, PC gaming isn't dead. And I have no idea why they keep saying that.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part about this whole mess is that in response to allegations that Chris Roberts is a micro-managing control freak who can't delegate and is mismanaging the program into the ground he drops everything to spend an entire workday creeping Twitter. so really all of this is good for SC because it kept him away from the project for 8+ hours
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CR is the epitome of a hyper-optimistic nerd who genuinely believes they may be able to salvage something that is totally unsalvageable
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SirTagz posted:I just had an overly emotional reaction to a guy who equates printing out reports from construction cost estimate software to giving estimates about developing complex software components. No you didn't, you compared project management to flipping burgers.
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AP posted:And miss Citizen Con? That's probably what will happen. If it doesn't crash and burn in the next week.
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The $90M crash of Star Citizenquote:As it happens, I have been casually acquainted with Chris Roberts since the Wing Commander days and I consider him to be one of the game design greats. Along with Richard Garriott, John Romero, and Steve Fawkner, he is one of my game design heroes. I don't merely like and respect Chris, I look up to him. The five or six hours I spent talking with him, John Romero, and Epic's current audio director over drinks at the Santa Clara Westin one evening was one of the most fascinating, informative, and educational experiences of my life... and Chris paid the entire $700+ bill himself. I am still an Origin fan and Wing Commander is one of my all-time favorite games; I even gave Ender a fancy joystick last Christmas just so he could play through the first two games and the secret missions, which he greatly enjoyed doing. I was absolutely delighted when I heard that Star Citizen was in the works. Above is very interesting, I wonder who else is going to start talking now.
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AP posted:The $90M crash of Star Citizen Sandi Roberts looks at the damage done by her husband, pushes him aside from the computer and starts typing. Typing the letter that will calm the internet, the letter that will inspire more people to join the cult. "Rabid Puppies"
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Randarkman posted:No you didn't, you compared project management to flipping burgers. Actually I compared pressing a button and printing out a 'gigantic booklet containing a line by line breakdown of material costs, cost overruns, projected budgets and a tally month over month over various item etc' to flipping a burger
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