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So wait, to be successful, don't they have to prove that Escapist KNOWINGLY printed false allegations? Do they have a plan to actually prove that, or...?
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Young Freud posted:If they sue for defamation, wouldn't they have to present evidence of what's being defamed? I mean, wouldn't they have to disclose their finances, since that's one of the key points of that Escapist article? Basically yes. They're opening up themselves to being investigated to verify the claims of the article. The worst that would happen to the Escapist is they would have to give up their sources, which will never be made public because it involves people's livelihoods and job status.
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Someone posted earlier laughing about how they got asked if they were requesting a refund because of the Escapist article. They don't do that just to satisfy their own curiosity, they do that, at least in part, so they can document economic damages to the company as a direct result of the article. Also people are forgetting the allegations of racism and embezzlement in the article, which obviously can have a materially adverse effect on business, not just in terms of refunds, but in terms of business partnerships, etc.
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madcow posted:Someone posted earlier laughing about how they got asked if they were requesting a refund because of the Escapist article. They don't do that just to satisfy their own curiosity, they do that, at least in part, so they can document economic damages to the company as a direct result of the article. Recording the reason for a refund is basic business accounting. Then again they should be asking everyone, but I have a feeling this isn't a professionally run company.
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Just when I think this thing has reached peak comedy, there's more.
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Also on a slightly related note, a little over a year ago CCP Games (developers of EVE Online and the recently killed of World of Darkness MMO) saw a similar situation in an article The Guardian published: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf Granted some of the sources were listed, while others weren't, CCP didn't go "nuh uh this is a conspiracy" and take The Guardian to court. The difference in approach to a near similar situation is comical.
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I could understand if they were after a retraction and an apology, but that third demand for an independent investigation seems excessive. That with the overall tone of the letter suggests they're goading The Escapist to take them on.
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madcow posted:Someone posted earlier laughing about how they got asked if they were requesting a refund because of the Escapist article. They don't do that just to satisfy their own curiosity, they do that, at least in part, so they can document economic damages to the company as a direct result of the article. Let's be clear here- none of this is about the company or the allegations. This is about an aspiring actress who absolutely cannot roll with punches, thinking that bad press is going to damage her career. She is more than willing to plow the entire company into a horrible legal quagmire because she was disparaged in the press. Nothing in the letter was about the allegations against Chris, mind you. It was 100% focused on Sandi- Sandi's reputation, Sandi's feelings, and a demand for an apology (to Sandi). She doesn't give a flying poo poo what happens to CIG as long as she comes out on top and the publication of this letter proves it.
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I hope Derek Smart gets sued for being Derek Smart.
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I just looked into the names they have CC at the bottom of their letter. William P Donovan of Cooley LLP Alan Moss of Harbottle & Lewis Donovan has experience with "bet-the-company" litigation, essentially defensive law where the goal is to handle dismissals of lawsuits, tort cases and class action suits. Moss is a specialist in entertainment law, primarily tax credits, licenses, production, loans, and IP. None of them have experience with handling libel, slander, or defamation cases. Edit: I forgot, Ortwin Freyermuth is an entertainment lawyer and producer from C-Rob's Hollywood days. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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The silence from CIG about the lack of money is telling. The most damaging part of the article was that they were running out of money and had made little progress. I guess their strategy is to focus in on a tiny hard to prove detail (that Sandi said something to an ex-employee?) and get everything else discredited along with it.
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Good news everyone. Star Citizen will release to the Phantom Gaming Console. In two weeks.
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Provided CIG isn't bluffing and The Escapist doesn't cave, if CIG loses this court case, to the public mind, that'll be tantamount to admitting what The Escapist wrote was true. This could utterly ruin them. Note: I don't mean it'll prove what The Escapist wrote was true. It'll just mean they didn't knowingly lie, and it therefore isn't illegal (if I understand it correctly). What I'm saying is that's how most people will see it. Aesaar fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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DancingShade posted:Good news everyone. Will there be an Ouya port?
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Aesaar posted:Provided CIG isn't bluffing and The Escapist doesn't cave, if CIG loses this court case, to the public mind, that'll be tantamount to admitting what The Escapist wrote was true. This could utterly ruin them. Cats LOVE Cigars! posted:The silence from CIG about the lack of money is telling. The most damaging part of the article was that they were running out of money and had made little progress. I guess their strategy is to focus in on a tiny hard to prove detail (that Sandi said something to an ex-employee?) and get everything else discredited along with it. Put these together and this is why I am convinced this is all Sandi- well, that and her name plastered all over the letter. They are betting the entire reputation of the company on a suit they can't possibly win, and in their diatribe stating why, they aren't even referencing the money aspect. They're doing it entirely over what was said about her. I cannot fathom Chris betting the future of his company on a hopeless suit- he's ignored more vicious criticism than this, plenty of times. I can't see any motivator to drive this forward and do it in a public way, other her vanity.
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Cats LOVE Cigars! posted:The silence from CIG about the lack of money is telling. The most damaging part of the article was that they were running out of money and had made little progress. I guess their strategy is to focus in on a tiny hard to prove detail (that Sandi said something to an ex-employee?) and get everything else discredited along with it. On the other hand if this goes to court and an independent investigator verifies the claims of the sources as far as financials go, the other claims will be deemed credible even if the HR office mysteriously catches fire.
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Agrajag posted:AHAHAHAHA they loving went to the monaco grand prix? no way they went there on the cheap. I believe they go every year.
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Cats LOVE Cigars! posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist Young Freud posted:I just looked into the names they have CC at the bottom of their letter. AHAHAHAHAAH this is the loving best thing ever! Praise the loving lord for dropping this GOTY! Oh god this train will never stop boys, ALLLLL ABOARD! Might I also mention how aggressively worded that letter is that I am almost certain the letter is meant to scare the Escapist into backing down and that if the Escapist decides to push back then it would most likely be Crobizzle's worst nightmare of a result. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Croberts should have played Game Dev Tycoon, because creating a game like he imagines takes a good 100 million dollars which is probably close to the truth. If, you know, he would actually know how to use that money.
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Young Freud posted:I just looked into the names they have CC at the bottom of their letter. What about the law companies themselves? Does anyone know their reputation? - Cooley LLP - Harbottle & Lewis
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Can I say I actually don't care one way or another? I just want to watch the drama. This would be a great time for someone to announce CR survives only by eating the fresh bone marrow of newborn babies and that DS is in fact the leader of ISIS. Also that both Vladimir Putin and Barrack Obama are completionist level backers.
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This is the greatest game that never existed.
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The true believers really were right in their belief that Crobizzle would produce the greatest game ever. It's happening before our very eyes. Also, the backers money going towards lawyers fees for this whole debacle is the icing on top. Just think about the costs. The hourly fee can easily start from 800/hour for simple case research to the thousands depending on the seniority of the lawyer. Oh glory me! Agrajag fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Someone over at Reddit just posted the CIG company ID card that got presented to the Escapist.
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sorla78 posted:What about the law companies themselves? Does anyone know their reputation? Cooley LLP is ranked as the 47th most profitable of law firms in the United States. Harbottle & Lewis in the UK was at the forefront of the News International phone hacking scandal. Like literally. sorla78 posted:Someone over at Reddit just posted the CIG company ID card that got presented to the Escapist. Is this the one where they blanked out the name but the whole thing got discarded by the Escapist?
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Young Freud posted:Cooley LLP is ranked as the 47th most profitable of law firms in the United States. Harbottle & Lewis in the UK was at the forefront of the News International phone hacking scandal. Like literally. Is that like using a Chewbacca defence?
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Young Freud posted:Cooley LLP is ranked as the 47th most profitable of law firms in the United States. Harbottle & Lewis in the UK was at the forefront of the News International phone hacking scandal. Like literally. Harbottle & Lewis seems to have hosed up big time on an extremely visible scandal.
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sorla78 posted:What about the law companies themselves? Does anyone know their reputation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbottle_%26_Lewis quote:Paul Farrelly, one of the MPs on the committee, said: I don't normally quote from Wikipedia as it's poo poo but if you're in the UK you don't want a letter from them.
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Agrajag posted:Also, the backers money going towards lawyers fees for this whole debacle is the icing on top. You're talking about a group of people (the true believers anyway, not all backers) who have unironically suggested that CIG start a pledge drive to build a $10 million lawsuit warchest in case anybody else says damning things about them on the record.
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sorla78 posted:What about the law companies themselves? Does anyone know their reputation?
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dreams. dreams happen now
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I'd love for this to go to court only to hear a prosecutor deny the claim that someone with a hairy cooter wasn't hired.
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So both the CEO and the chairman have responded and completely glossed over the money allegations. That's a good sign.
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This is the most amazing meltdown. Over an article that could have easily been ignored... it's just... it's incredible.
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Young Freud posted:Edit: I forgot, Ortwin Freyermuth is an entertainment lawyer and producer from C-Rob's Hollywood days. Well, as a lawyer presiding over CIG's hijinks he sure has allowed the providing of some high quality entertainment!
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Gonkish posted:This is the most amazing meltdown. Over an article that could have easily been ignored... it's just... it's incredible. It's because the article is true. Also, Ortwin Freyermuth founded CIG with Chris Roberts, so his partiality in all of this is icing on the cake.
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