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Watching good shows is fun, and hatewatching really bad shows is also fun, but there's a weird middle ground you never want to fall into where you just watch something out of habit and post about how it could be better
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I think Sons of Anarchy might be the show with the greatest divide between "Show everyone loves and thinks is amazing" and "Is actually complete poo poo". In fairness, Goons realized how terrible it was, and the SoA thread was a pleasure to read, but it blows my mind how much the general public loved it. People I know in RL look at me confused when I try and explain how bad it was. It's especially hard to do now that it's over. After each week it wasn't too hard because you could just point to specific things in the last episode that are examples of why it's terrible, but I struggle to quote any specifics when I try and articulate an argument now.
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Oct 8, 2015 02:55
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xcore posted:I think Sons of Anarchy might be the show with the greatest divide between "Show everyone loves and thinks is amazing" and "Is actually complete poo poo". What about The Walking Dead? Everyone with good opinions seems to hate that show but it is one of the most watched things on TV. The Dexter thread was amazing. I never would have made it through the final season without it.
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Oct 8, 2015 03:12
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Oh there's some shows that are complete poo poo and should've been cancelled a long time ago. But those veer into the So Bad It's Good territory. Or Can't Stop Watching The Trainwreck category anyway.
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Oct 8, 2015 03:30
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I hope John Oliver doesn't become a lumberjack.
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Oct 8, 2015 04:14
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The Danny Trejo CIA punchline should be enough to convince most intelligent people. Also, the Juice has a black dad subplot. Barring that, Kurt Sutter jacking it to Dr. Siff. Opie's demise was pretty loving bad, but if these people already like SoA, I don't think you can use it to convince them, which is unfortunate.
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Oct 8, 2015 06:43
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Liked this week's show. My mom and dad are bipolar. My dad still basically denies it while taking lithium and my mom self medicated with alcohol for so long she can't seem to stop. I related to the show alot. People are pretty shocked that I'm open with this information but being open is the only thing that makes it less taboo. I also once watched my dad hold a gun to my mom's head and scream at her to tell him if she really wanted to die... Hurray for taboos that kept them both from seeking any sort of treatment until I was in my teens. (don't worry, I've had therapy, yadda yadda, severed 10 years ago, never going to pass on these poison genes) I really appreciate John calling out these poo poo head politicians who like to say poo poo like mental health is a priority and never allocate a single dime for treatment, awareness, and general help. Honestly though I think nothing will change. There's too many people who do know this is a serious problem and just keep voting for the same sad sacks of poo poo who spend their time and efforts on bullshit like defunding pp. That was probably too heavy for this thread. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 07:17
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Tigntink posted:Liked this week's show. Not at all. I'm bipolar, and having made glib jokes about the Crazy Bipolar Girlfriend roommate I had in college, the diagnosis was a tough pill to swallow. Further to that, it shocked me that my employer legitimately had to do a bunch of research to get a handle on the condition after I lost it in a manic episode once; for some reason, I thought the facts of bipolar disorder were common knowledge, but not so. Ultimately, I don't know what I think will help. Stuff like John Oliver pieces are better than bad, but it's a tough stigma to deal with. The illness comes through with actions rather than physical realities like blood sugar this or arrhythmia that, so it's an uphill battle convincing people that this is an ailment rather than a personality flaw, and ultimately it seems that we choose to just do the doctors and the medications and try to hide the fact of it to the extent possible. Of course, that feeds straight back into the reality that a significant proportion of people with mental illnesses remain undiagnosed, untreated, and, at times, a danger to themselves and others. 
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Oct 8, 2015 10:13
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SpookyLizard posted:Or Can't Stop Watching The Trainwreck category anyway. This is what my wife claims is the reason she watches (most stuff on) TLC; they really do have a ton of it, and I'll admit, it's kind of fun to watch stupid poo poo like "90 day fiancé(e)" and look at all the complete goobers who are genuinely believing that some woman (or guy, Mohammed!  ) across the world doesn't just want a green card.Then you have poo poo like 'Sister Wives' which has to be their lowest-rated show. I mean, it just has to be. It has nothing that's exciting or even mildly interesting about it, even in a bad way. Some dude, probably in Utah, has 4-5 wives. That's loving it. With little people shows, I get it, though I don't care; you watch them day-in, day-out to see how they deal with living in a tall person's world. That 'Big Fat Fabulous life' show, I get, too; let's watch it to see how this kind of insanely huge girl deals with losing the weight (hopefully  ) and all of that stuff. Even the Duggars had an insanely trainwreck-y show. Man, I wish Rifftrax would cover these things, because it'd be gold.Sister Wives, though, just offers nothing of value whatsoever. It's not good, it's not interesting (and I don't just mean to me, like genuinely, nothing happens on the show, they just talk in a group almost constantly), and it's not even 'so-bad-it's-good'. It's terrifically boring, and that's the worst thing a show can be. Sister Wives is the 'irish gun deal meetings' of TLC.
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Oct 8, 2015 13:01
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xcore posted:I think Sons of Anarchy might be the show with the greatest divide between "Show everyone loves and thinks is amazing" and "Is actually complete poo poo". meatheads and mouthbreathers thought it was "deep" and "badass", even the loving ending..............so yeah, that's most people you run across out there in real America.
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Oct 8, 2015 19:01
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Keyser S0ze posted:meatheads and mouthbreathers thought it was "deep" and "badass", even the loving ending..............so yeah, that's most people you run across out there in real America. And women who were  over Jacks or whatever his name is
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Oct 8, 2015 19:14
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Squall posted:I hope John Oliver doesn't become a lumberjack. The Dexter finale was art.
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Oct 9, 2015 06:19
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Propaganda Machine posted:Not at all. I'm bipolar, and having made glib jokes about the Crazy Bipolar Girlfriend roommate I had in college, the diagnosis was a tough pill to swallow. Further to that, it shocked me that my employer legitimately had to do a bunch of research to get a handle on the condition after I lost it in a manic episode once; for some reason, I thought the facts of bipolar disorder were common knowledge, but not so. I've been classified as bipolar in the past, and I actually got some medication that helped with the depression (Pristiq). And then my insurance ran out and I've had to go back to living medication free and its been fairly brutal. A LOT of conversations I have with friends go something like this.... "you seem down, are you struggling with that stuff?" "Dude you don't want to know." "I'm four beers in, hit me with it." *I proceed to tell him/her exactly how I feel and my mental state. "That's too much. You, uh, should, uh, talk to, uh, someone, about that." And if that struggle exists within friends I've known for literal years, how I do even begin to share this sort of thing with a romantic interest?
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Oct 9, 2015 08:17
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LWT is basically a newsmagazine show, and we need that much more than comedy fake news satire. If you want laffs, there are plenty of other options.
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Oct 9, 2015 09:19
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Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? Or is it just another "here's a problem, here's is a joke about it, let's move on" scenario?
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Oct 9, 2015 10:19
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MVP posted:Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? This is something that Stewart himself mocked at the end of his tenure, so... The most famous example is probably the 9/11 First Responders issue, where Stewart's spotlight on the issue is cited by many involved as having spurred people - especially Fox News - on enough to actually get something done. That is however more the exception than the rule.
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Oct 9, 2015 10:37
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MVP posted:Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? Net Neutrality, maybe? But that's probably assigning the public outcry following his segment too much credit for that ruling. Ultimately, none of these shows do much but each push things slightly more into the public awareness. It's not much, but neither is any other single piece of publicity on most issues. It's all a cumulative effect but it's also impossible to really measure.
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Oct 9, 2015 11:37
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I honestly think it goes issue by issue. US prisons are deeply systemic and an HBO comedy news show has no hope of making a dent into the issue. Stuff like mental health is an issue of public awareness and stigma, so to that end publicity could conceivably have a measured effect.
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Oct 9, 2015 13:05
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They also do tend to air episodes just before a big decision is going to be made around that issue, so I do think they believe their show can influence it.
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Oct 9, 2015 13:45
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MVP posted:Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? I don't think you could ever point to them being the lone voice to fix it. But they've been referenced by people trying to pass laws before, so they have some effect.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:25
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The chicken fucker episode was cited by the lawmakers involved as a big source of their constituents outcry to support the farmers on the vote. Though I doubt they'll try the public outcry thing again so soon after the Perpetual Exemption debacle.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:32
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MVP posted:Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? Colbert testified to the senate about undocumented farm workers I think with regard to americans not wanting to do those jobs after he did a week long thing about it. But he did it as the character so I don't know where you place this one on the political reform scale. And there's the SuperPAC. But I guess it's how much you value "awareness" since both of those problems are still going full force.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:32
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Narcissus1916 posted:I've been classified as bipolar in the past, and I actually got some medication that helped with the depression (Pristiq). And then my insurance ran out and I've had to go back to living medication free and its been fairly brutal. I hope you find a way to get meds, it's really important to manage both the mania and the depression. Propaganda Machine posted:Not at all. I'm bipolar, and having made glib jokes about the Crazy Bipolar Girlfriend roommate I had in college, the diagnosis was a tough pill to swallow. Yuuuuuuuuuuup, though I wish I could say the jokes were just glib. MVP posted:Is there any evidence that shows like Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Oliver actually get anything done in terms of political reform? Miss America scholarships was a definite thing.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:52
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:The chicken fucker episode was cited by the lawmakers involved as a big source of their constituents outcry to support the farmers on the vote. There was a debacle about his church thing?
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Oct 9, 2015 15:57
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Yeah I don't know if anyone really sent in jizz. It could have just been a funny way to end a recurring bit. Wouldn't really call it a debacle.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:59
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:The chicken fucker episode was cited by the lawmakers involved as a big source of their constituents outcry to support the farmers on the vote. "Debacle"? Unless there's something I missed that was about as much of a "debacle" as Colbert's superpac was a "debacle".
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Oct 9, 2015 16:00
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raditts posted:"Debacle"? Unless there's something I missed that was about as much of a "debacle" as Colbert's superpac was a "debacle". RIP Ham Rove
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Oct 9, 2015 16:03
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GutBomb posted:Yeah I don't know if anyone really sent in jizz. It could have just been a funny way to end a recurring bit. You underestimate people's capacity to be creepy jerkbags.
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Oct 9, 2015 16:09
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Veskit posted:I hope you find a way to get meds, it's really important to manage both the mania and the depression. This is true, but bipolar disorder is tricky since you have to manage both sides of the equation. Most patients do veer towards the depressive side, and that much is "easy" enough to deal with. The manic side is trickier for a few reasons. Lithium is the all-purpose slegdehammer, but it can have brutal side effects and it it quite literally a difficult pill (or two, or three) to swallow. There's another one called Lamictal which I believe is lithium-based, but it's more referred to as a mood stabilizer than antimanic. It works if your symptoms aren't too severe, and in either case you really need to be using some kind of antidepressant as well. I mean, think about it. There are extremely debilitating and opposite conditions that have to be dealt with simultaneously, and if you go too heavily with meds on either side, it can trigger the worst of the other. Imagine a sine wave. The best one can really hope for is to lessen the intensity. So, a bipolar patient, even with the beat treatment and meds possible is going to have mood swings. Unfortunately, the hope is that they veer depressive because while sadness sucks, mania is downright dangerous. What really shocked me, upon diagnosis, was how unheard of it is. Again with the crazy bipolar college roommate, but for some reason I thought it was common knowledge, but it isn't. This is why I'm inclined to say that even just saying the word, and that this is not only a thing but more common of a thing than anybody really realizes, is a good and powerful first step for now.
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Oct 9, 2015 19:25
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Propaganda Machine posted:This is true, but bipolar disorder is tricky since you have to manage both sides of the equation. Most patients do veer towards the depressive side, and that much is "easy" enough to deal with. The bipolar disorder part of the brain is shared with the same part of the brain that causes epilepsies, so it's very common to find those drugs be shared with one another. Lamictal, latuda, and depakote are all ones that work for treating bipolar disorder. There's an assload of drugs are there to take that can help, and why it's important to have regular visits with a psychiatrist to get your medications and especially your dosages right. Lithium is great and all but you need more in your life to really get there.
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Oct 9, 2015 20:48
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I'm digging the continued real world advertising.
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Oct 12, 2015 08:22
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The North Dakota story was good, contractor loopholes could be an episode unto themselves.
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Oct 12, 2015 09:09
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That episode seemed all over the place, worse than the drone episode where he just threw as much random bad things to say about the drone program without really tying it all together. Like why are contractor loopholes any different than just setting up a LLC other than avoiding the bad PR? That company that leaked more oil 5 months after the first leak somehow didn't have to pay again but Oliver didn't give any details as to why. Some farmers had salinated land, but that was totally brushed over and no details given at all, like is it ok for miners to just destroy someone else's farmland in Dakota and not have to pay a cent? I don't live in the US so maybe I'm missing some obvious things but this episode just seemed to be about throwing as much poo poo at mining in South Dakota as it could in the allocated time rather than building a case for why it's bad. At least with the drone episode there was the underlying human element about kids being afraid of the skies, this was just a grab bag of random bad things about mining in South Dakota with a lot of those bad things not even really being explained.
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Oct 12, 2015 10:54
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I found the Toyota story extremely weak to be honest. Toyota pick-up trucks are all over IS because they are all over areas where you need something extremely reliable. They were and are used by basically every militia/rebel/freedom fighter/terrorist group worldwide for the last 30 years. Of course IS uses them too. The rest of the episode was good.
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Oct 12, 2015 15:24
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Decius posted:I found the Toyota story extremely weak to be honest. Toyota pick-up trucks are all over IS because they are all over areas where you need something extremely reliable. They were and are used by basically every militia/rebel/freedom fighter/terrorist group worldwide for the last 30 years. Of course IS uses them too. The rest of the episode was good. I think the question was how is ISIS able to purchase fleets of NEW trucks. Yes, them having a ton of old hilux pickups is understandable because they are indestructible, but new vehicles are a different animal. Somewhere in their chain, someone is selling willingly and knowingly to terrorists.
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Oct 12, 2015 15:34
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I thought it was a strong presentation. It shows how a specific industry has thrived at the cost of the environment and people's livelihoods. The problem has been exacerbated because responsibility has been deferred away to someone else by anyone who could have been responsible. He points to specific loopholes while keeping a foot in the big picture. Why is it when I see a story about employees getting hosed over, it always involved contract companies? (Don't answer; I already know.)
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Oct 12, 2015 15:36
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bull3964 posted:I think the question was how is ISIS able to purchase fleets of NEW trucks. Yes, them having a ton of old hilux pickups is understandable because they are indestructible, but new vehicles are a different animal. Somewhere in their chain, someone is selling willingly and knowingly to terrorists. those drat americans
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Oct 12, 2015 15:38
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Woden posted:That episode seemed all over the place, worse than the drone episode where he just threw as much random bad things to say about the drone program without really tying it all together. North Dakota. South Dakota is filled with a bunch of carved rock worshipping hay seeds. Honestly, this episode went easy on the industry. There have been cases of fracking fluid being disposed in cracked wells next to aquifers for major towns, the governor expedited drilling on sacred ground immediately following "campaign contributions" from the very same oil company, and waste disposal companies dump sewage into the Missorui river. Still, the local new stations will be tripping over themselves to defend the state government from these facts.
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Oct 12, 2015 16:09
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bull3964 posted:I think the question was how is ISIS able to purchase fleets of NEW trucks. Yes, them having a ton of old hilux pickups is understandable because they are indestructible, but new vehicles are a different animal. Somewhere in their chain, someone is selling willingly and knowingly to terrorists. They've taken over major cities, I think they could scrape together a few newer models for their propaganda videos given how common Hiluxes are in third world desert shitholes. Doesn't mean Japan is secretly shipping dozens of brand new trucks to them or something.
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IRQ posted:They've taken over major cities, I think they could scrape together a few newer models for their propaganda videos given how common Hiluxes are in third world desert shitholes. Doesn't mean Japan is secretly shipping dozens of brand new trucks to them or something. Which is valid. I think the question just came up for them to verify that is the case.
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