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alansmithee posted:According to your own metrics, the mainstream of rap is more diverse today than it was in 2015. And as for your other "point", it's not true at all. Unless by relevant underground acts you mean dudes getting radio play, which by that definition there wasn't a relevant underground in 2005. Although most of the top 10 list for 2015 is filled with dudes who pretty much came up outside the major label system so in essence are underground acts that the mainstream just caught up with. RBX posted:I thought so. Im in NC.
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Oct 8, 2015 06:17
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So if south poo poo is trash and today is somehow so much better then what the gently caress is good music or classic music to some of you thenFunky Britches posted:yeah they dont say this though I don't get it unless you think sntching on yourself is new
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Oct 8, 2015 06:21
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RBX posted:I don't get it unless you think sntching on yourself is new holy poo poo you actually have no brain
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Oct 8, 2015 06:22
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the gays and secretly watching gay porn in the studio is the cause of moral and sonic decline in hip hop - RBX
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Oct 8, 2015 06:25
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RBX posted:Is anybody else here actually from the south, its no wonder we disagree ya i am. why does it matter
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Oct 8, 2015 06:34
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Oct 8, 2015 06:39
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i actually agree with rbx i think if young thug is gay he should have to declare it publicly and sign into a tracking database with all the other gays
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Oct 8, 2015 06:40
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also the young thug gay porn things is dumb because it wasnt like he was even in the studio when it was on. that was kid ink and some producers. if hes gay then whatever but its weird to cite something he wasnt personally involve in as proof that he loves to suck off men
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Oct 8, 2015 06:43
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temple posted:I'm getting away from my point. My point is that people are using the same sound over and over. There are plenty of diverse mixtape/underground acts. There always are. But this thread in particular praises the same sounding poo poo and there is no disconnect between the fan and the radio largely. I know people want to be cool but fan taste and radio taste lines up more than you want to admit. I never hear any of the lesser know acts mentioned outside of this thread and I'm on social media, talk to kids, blah blah. Its always 1 or 2 weirdos that heard of Vince Staples or Chance but everyone is on that Future/Thug/anonomyous trap dude that sounds just like them. My point is that's no different than it's always been. I've repeatedly asked you to tell me the time it wasn't that way, where the general population and rap wasn't dominated by the same sound (and for all your talk about people using the same sound, there's exactly 1 album that's sold for poo poo using that sound this year). Like you put up a list to show that 2005 was more diverse, and you had 5 dudes with Dre production/heavy infuence. I mean for all the fuss about Atl there's 2 MMG artists on the best sellers for rap this year and nobody supposedly says poo poo about them at all. Also you're totally ignoring the differences in all these dudes who supposedly sound the same. It's no different than if I was to say Nas, Jay-Z, Wu, Biggie, Az, Guru and all the other NY dudes sounded the same. Or Pac, Dre, Ice Cube, Snoop. Like Fetty Wap sounds nothing like either Future nor Young Thug, yet you somehow are lumping him in with them.
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Oct 8, 2015 06:51
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ol yeller posted:also the young thug gay porn things is dumb because it wasnt like he was even in the studio when it was on. that was kid ink and some producers. if hes gay then whatever but its weird to cite something he wasnt personally involve in as proof that he loves to suck off men yeah, the fact he was hooking up with cash money/baby is way more damning imo.
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Oct 8, 2015 06:52
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If you aren't feeling the current state of things that's fine The next big innovator will come along and change things up and in ten years shrimp will be making rbx posts
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Oct 8, 2015 07:01
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ol yeller posted:its weird to cite something he wasnt personally involve in as proof that he loves to suck off men also its weird to bring up an artist's sexual orientation in a discussion about the quality of his music
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Oct 8, 2015 07:06
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Thugger's gaybaiting is as relevant as the old cultural appropriation derails
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Oct 8, 2015 07:08
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All these people caping for Thug constantly is hilarious Talk poo poo about Future or anybody else but NOT MUH YOUNG THUG
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Oct 8, 2015 07:10
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Most people I've talked to irl hate him, which is a funny changeup from here
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Oct 8, 2015 07:12
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RBX posted:All these people caping for Thug constantly is hilarious i think most people are saying his sexuality doesn't impact their enjoyment of his music (or lack thereof) and nobody is really saying what you think they're saying because you have really strange and strong opinions about men who fancy cocks / jizz and it affects your ability to comprehend things
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Oct 8, 2015 07:23
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RBX posted:All these people caping for Thug constantly is hilarious the only posts youve made in this thread that were longer than a couple sentences have been about young thug being bad and how gayness is a problem with the youth
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Oct 8, 2015 07:28
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ol yeller posted:the only posts youve made in this thread that were longer than a couple sentences have been about young thug being bad and how gayness is a problem with the youth He's been indoctrinated from years of listening to homophobic gunit mixtapes
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Oct 8, 2015 07:46
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Guys raps top point was Top Billin why are we arguing with this.
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Oct 8, 2015 08:24
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temple posted:I'm getting away from my point. My point is that people are using the same sound over and over. There are plenty of diverse mixtape/underground acts. There always are. But this thread in particular praises the same sounding poo poo and there is no disconnect between the fan and the radio largely. I know people want to be cool but fan taste and radio taste lines up more than you want to admit. I never hear any of the lesser know acts mentioned outside of this thread and I'm on social media, talk to kids, blah blah. Its always 1 or 2 weirdos that heard of Vince Staples or Chance but everyone is on that Future/Thug/anonomyous trap dude that sounds just like them. Music's fragmented everywhere; if you say "well sure there's lots of indie stuff but the mainstream is all boring" that has been true of all music for like a decade. Plus, there's also varying shades of mainstream. Like, Vince Staples and Chance both fall into that general indie music crossover like RTJ does, the Pitchfork crowd and all that. I've talked to way more people who recognize RTJ or Chance who don't know Thug and would only recognize Future from the Drake collab. I also think it's generally weird to worry about what's radio-popular versus what you listen to and like; rap's not gonna die out because Vince Staples isn't getting played as much on the radio as Fetty Wap. You're saying you only know "1 or 2 weirdos" who know Vince or Chance, but Vince is on that massive tour with Rocky and Tyler, and Chance is selling out 3000-capacity venues with one of the weirdest records of the year; I think we're doing okay. Listen to what you like, post about what you like, don't worry about the stuff you don't like. I don't know why music, of all things, has to be competitive.
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Oct 8, 2015 08:33
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Honestly even the worst pop rap these days is still lot better than the B.O.B/laser-era Lupe style super-clean/big chorus sound that started getting really popular around 2009-2011. Also the recent focus on Atlanta has been really interesting to watch over the last few years although it's made for some great songs, it's yet to deliver some really great solid albums (DS2 a possible exception). Speaking of Atlanta, how did ILoveMakonnen blow up from a Drake cosign and still hasn't even looked at releasing a full length.
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Oct 8, 2015 09:10
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100 new posts god drat thought the new drake leaked
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Oct 8, 2015 10:12
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rear end Catchcum posted:100 new posts god drat thought the new drake leaked instead it was gbs
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Oct 8, 2015 10:17
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Hopsin did a great job in getting the internet talking though (when I say internet, I mean this thread). I don't like him but it's interesting to see what people who don't like Future/Young Thug think.
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Oct 8, 2015 10:35
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alansmithee posted:so you're totally ignoring the differences in all these dudes who supposedly sound the same. It's no different than if I was to say Nas, Jay-Z, Wu, Biggie, Az, Guru and all the other NY dudes sounded the same. Or Pac, Dre, Ice Cube, Snoop. Like Fetty Wap sounds nothing like either Future nor Young Thug, yet you somehow are lumping him in with them. edit: Don't even mention the music scenes from every other part of the country around the same time NY was big. Even Dre and Warren G sounded different. abraham linksys posted:Music's fragmented everywhere; if you say "well sure there's lots of indie stuff but the mainstream is all boring" that has been true of all music for like a decade. Plus, there's also varying shades of mainstream. Like, Vince Staples and Chance both fall into that general indie music crossover like RTJ does, the Pitchfork crowd and all that. I've talked to way more people who recognize RTJ or Chance who don't know Thug and would only recognize Future from the Drake collab. temple fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 10:42
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idk I think anyone who performs on the late night talk show circuit and gets the big font on music festival posters is mainstream but whatever
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Oct 8, 2015 10:54
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abraham linksys posted:idk I think anyone who performs on the late night talk show circuit and gets the big font on music festival posters is mainstream but whatever
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Oct 8, 2015 11:01
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Rbx has bad opinions on rap and even I have me on ignore.
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temple posted:Is Odd Future mainstream? ...yeah? Odd Future was hyped as gently caress as of a couple years ago. Frank Ocean's album debuted at #2, Wolf at #3; I remember hearing Rella all over the goddamn place for a bit. I mean, poo poo, those dudes had a TV show for a while.
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Oct 8, 2015 11:12
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temple posted:This is what I'm talking about. This is the dumb poo poo you expect me to believe and makes me question what you are talking about. If you try to present thugga, future, or fetty wap are just as unique as acts like wu biggie guru, you gotta be trolling or contrarian. I know it sucks when old dudes poo poo on new hiphop but you can't even compare the diversity between NY acts in just the 90s and then trot out poo poo like a fetty wap and future. I think the music is making people retarded. I never brought up the 90s until that sentence, its defensive people, that obviously didn't listen to rap back then, that try to act like the utter inane music that comes out now is comparable to any point before. Do you write for Complex? What's going to be your next article "10 ways that Young Thug Stunts on Rakim." Durr durr everything old is bad, everything new is good. What is even your point in this lovely ramble? Are you saying that all mainstream music sounds the same? are you saying there's no distinct music scenes anymore? both are wrong. you sound like an old man who can't keep up with music anymore temple posted:its defensive people, that obviously didn't listen to rap back then, that try to act like the utter inane music that comes out now is comparable to any point before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTUAESacQM
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Oct 8, 2015 11:39
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temple posted:Is Odd Future mainstream? They have a loving tv show on Cartoon Network lmao
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Oct 8, 2015 11:59
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Just FYI temple watches a lot of MTV, so if it's not on there, it's not mainstream.
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abraham linksys posted:...yeah? Odd Future was hyped as gently caress as of a couple years ago. Frank Ocean's album debuted at #2, Wolf at #3; I remember hearing Rella all over the goddamn place for a bit. I mean, poo poo, those dudes had a TV show for a while. edit: OF and RTJ aren't even like regular rap, they are alt-rap that is hyped massively by the internet because its marketed as alt-rap. Their music sells ads for alt-blogs to people that identify with the alt label. temple fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 12:23
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Tyler's pretty fuckin popular dude. if three albums in the Billboard top 5 and singles with over 30 million Youtube hits isn't mainstream I don't know what the gently caress is and of course RTJ isn't as visible as Odd Future, but they're still popular. temple posted:edit: OF and RTJ aren't even like regular rap, they are alt-rap that is hyped massively by the internet because its marketed as alt-rap lol also I'm willing to double down and say that, yeah, Inuyasha is actually mainstream as gently caress but actually discussing this would be the single most ridiculous derail in NMD history so abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 12:33
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Temple are you thinking of mainstream as like a genre? Because literally everyone knew who Tyler was when the Yonkers video game out and he won an mtv award. I think my 9 year old sister at the time knew him because "he's the crazy guy that ate the bug and killed himself in that video" E: all you have to do is Google "odd future hot topic" goldblums eyes fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 12:38
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RBX posted:If dude is gay then be gay! Stop acting like you're not! If he's not then stop the bullshit. stop caring about how gay you think someone acts you fuckin barnacle
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goldblums eyes posted:Temple are you thinking of mainstream as like a genre? Because literally everyone knew who Tyler was when the Yonkers video game out and he won an mtv award. I think my 9 year old sister at the time knew him because "he's the crazy guy that ate the bug and killed himself in that video" Future, Thugga is on 2Chainz level. Fetty is on Trinidad James level. Mostly ATL artists, lol. But of course they all are like massively different from one another. goldblums eyes posted:E: all you have to do is Google "odd future hot topic" temple fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Cool Buff Man posted:stop caring about how gay you think someone acts you fuckin barnacle imho all rappers should be either straight as an arrow or Le1f; there is no middle ground allowed
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