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Sarsapariller posted:Touched that up for you. People from Warthog- the Elms and Erin Roberts- were in charge of Gizmondo's finances during the period that it went bankrupt. They are now in charge of F42UK's finances. There is no direct implication that they were involved with the illegal parts of Gizmondo's activities, but they were highly placed there for several years. Supposedly one of the games Wingman was involved in through Fever Pitch Studios eventually got released through an internet leak. It's pretty much complete from what it looks like. http://www.giantbomb.com/hit-myth/3030-35050/ In the article's forums, there's a few posts from the developer about his time at Warthog. Apparently Warthog had financial problems and ended up getting sold to Gizmondo, which caused an exodus of talent because everything was getting cut for the Gizmondo. Even then the Warthog guys who were there at the first meeting said that the console had 0% of being successful.
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D_Smart posted:As the story goes, the contractor and them got into some disagreement over some electrical wiring done to the building. He's threatening to sue because they apparently haven't paid the bill. So all work on the build-out has halted while they inventory and document everything in the event that a lawsuit does happen. Because if they continue with the work with another contractor, then it becomes difficult for them to prove their case that the contractor messed up.
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In retrospect CIG is retarded for not just making SQ42 and then a SQ42-based MMO in that order. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind playing a first-person space game with an A-list mocapped cast but they are so hosed up by this harebrained development cycle.
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Justin Tyme posted:In retrospect CIG is retarded for not just making SQ42 and then a SQ42-based MMO in that order. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind playing a first-person space game with an A-list mocapped cast but they are so hosed up by this harebrained development cycle. i agree except they should have given all the ships faces like thomas the tank engine and then used the mocap to ensure their expressions are believable
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Justin Tyme posted:In retrospect CIG is retarded for not just making SQ42 and then a SQ42-based MMO in that order. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind playing a first-person space game with an A-list mocapped cast but they are so hosed up by this harebrained development cycle. The problem is that they didn't get the money for that. They got the money for the PU. Nobody wanted a mocapped Hollywood movie with 10 hours of cutscenes. Roberts wanted to make a movie and blew massive amounts of money on it. The backers wanted the persistent universe. (The newer ones, the Kickstarter ones were hosed)
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Dapper Dan posted:
To be honest, I didn't think it would make it past my blog back in July when I wrote Interstellar Citizens. But then, in typical fashion, once the media got wind of it, they then had the bogieman (yours truly) they could use as a scapegoat point man to convey - without repercussions - what they were already thinking. Which is why when they took this statement from the blog, then created click-bait headlines out of it, I knew this was going to end very badly for Star Citizen. quote:Without disrespect to anyone, I’m just going to say it: it is my opinion that, this game, as has been pitched, will never get made. Ever. The thing is, in their attempt to vilify me, they unwittingly set in motion a series of events that seemingly resulted in where we are now. Right off the bat, the brain trust over at RSI/CIG somehow came up with the idea that taking on the craziest force of nature - personified - was the way forward. Naturally that blew up with spectacular results. And they've been screwing up since. In all this, by now I think Ortwin has already found out that in my 30 yr career, I have never - ever - been involved in any legal action, that didn't end favorably for me. Not one. Not with publishers, companies or individuals. The reason is simple. I don't take legal action lightly and I don't go into anything thinking that there is any way, on this God's Earth, that I would lose. Pretty much the same conviction with which I approach all things; including game development (telling me I can't do something just makes me want to do it even more). The biggest mistake that they will make, and which will cause the catastrophic collapse of this project and everything associated with this, is allow for it to enter a court room. Regardless of who gets to sue first and when, this goes to court, they're hosed. If you thought Chris wrote that missive because he was taking this all lightly, you would be wrong. He's pissed at me, completely because he knows that, without a doubt, I have them over a barrel and that one way or another, someone has to blink. And I have nothing to lose.
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Why is Illfonic standing by and letting themselves take the blame for the FPS module being ripped up and mostly trashed? It seems like CIG is nudging the cult to look towards Illfonic for the module being delayed when by what I've seen they had everything built as requested.
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think paying Hollywood actors shitloads of money to be in video games is a good use of resources. They don't have to carry the production, like they do in a movie. I don't think there's a significant portion of people who play video games that are going "Oh poo poo, I have to buy this game, Kevin Spacey is in it!" It seems cheaper, easier, and more equitable to the labor pool of voice actors to use up-and-coming talent rather than shelling out the big bucks for big names. You can tell with this whole Star Citizen fiasco is just Chris wasting his backer's money to continue his movie aspirations.
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Justin Tyme posted:In retrospect CIG is retarded for not just making SQ42 and then a SQ42-based MMO in that order. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind playing a first-person space game with an A-list mocapped cast but they are so hosed up by this harebrained development cycle. I wouldn't mind playing space shooter that played like a modern Wing Commander with a mo-capped cast, but I don't want to watch the Wing Commander movie with some space flying section interludes the way SQ42 sounds like it's going to be. They spent more time at CitiCon showing footage of actors in mo-cap get ups, talking about scripts and story, showing cutscenes, than they did actual gameplay (which was basically an interactive cutscene)
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jaegerx posted:Derek, I've sent emails to the admins, they know about them. What they decide is anyone's guess.
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Oct 14, 2015 01:20
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natetimm posted:Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think paying Hollywood actors shitloads of money to be in video games is a good use of resources. They don't have to carry the production, like they do in a movie. I don't think there's a significant portion of people who play video games that are going "Oh poo poo, I have to buy this game, Kevin Spacey is in it!" It seems cheaper, easier, and more equitable to the labor pool of voice actors to use up-and-coming talent rather than shelling out the big bucks for big names. You can tell with this whole Star Citizen fiasco is just Chris wasting his backer's money to continue his movie aspirations. you dont ahve what it takes to be a Star Citizen so kindly fuckoff
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Duke Nukem Forever iiinnn sppppaaacccee
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mormonpartyboat posted:i agree except they should have given all the ships faces like thomas the tank engine and then used the mocap to ensure their expressions are believable like this i guess but with vary old man's haunting eyes 
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Oct 14, 2015 01:26
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BluestreakBTHR posted:Holy poo poo. Fantastic! The complaint was prepared back in Aug when we first got Ortwin's gently caress you response. Of the four (two are mine) law firms involved in this, they decided that we should wait for the Nov deadline to come so that they don't get any wiggle room out of that cause of action if they decide now to fight the legal onslaught that's going to hit them over that ToS. In the meantime, between Chris's diatribe and Ortwin's empty threats (to me and TE), they created even more material that generates new causes of action. Most of it is defamatory. But as I told the attorneys, I have no interest in pursuing those because I don't want to take away focus from the three (financials, delivery, refunds) issues in the demand letter. I'm used to people saying and making up poo poo about me. So that stuff doesn't really faze me. I know who I am; and people who know me, know who I am. Plus, since we're all public figures, the standard is high. Though as one attorney pointed out, given the circumstances, Chris unwittingly set himself up to fail the malicious intent standard when he wrote his diatribe. And yes, I would be delighted to come talk on your show about it.
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Eonwe posted:Remember when I posted so bad in this thread that someone donated $300 to Bernie Sanders if I wouldn't post for a month I remember. And you were posting utter poo poo. I even blocked you at one point. Then again, nothing was happening in the world of Star Citizen back then, and now I realise the error of my ways. I guess Goonship, like Citizenship, is earned, and you have certainly earned it. I am glad you have a fitting avatar too. Now, tell about this 'Sanders' character. I am vaguely aware he is some sort of  socialist, if that's even a thing. Is he like our dear Jeremy Corbyn, or much weirder?
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xiansi posted:I remember. Sanders is insanely good and you should look over some YouTube vids of him He is a really awesome person imo I'm glad you unblocked me, friend
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkNDQD0gkAU this is how this is all going to end right?
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D_Smart posted:That's right. Also, the legal action is about three things: Even if you do get the financials, you may only get the 2.8 from the KS. It's a pretty hard jump from you didn't get the product done on time give me my money back, to give me my money back and also I want all your books for reasons. Even then I'd say 100% that they'll be held under a confidentially agreement. If you go to trial you *might* get to use them as trial exhibits, and even then they still may be confidential. Do you have the old TOS? I thought that the "you get to see our financials" was if they totally folded, not that they were stupid late? D_Smart posted:As the story goes, the contractor and them got into some disagreement over some electrical wiring done to the building. He's threatening to sue because they apparently haven't paid the bill. So all work on the build-out has halted while they inventory and document everything in the event that a lawsuit does happen. Because if they continue with the work with another contractor, then it becomes difficult for them to prove their case that the contractor messed up. Contractors are the worst. Fun aside with insane contractor lawsuits. One that i'm involved in is because some contractor goober drilled though a wall and speared an electrical main. It took the system like 15 seconds or something to reroute power, but that was *3* seconds over the SLA so now it's a $140 million dollar lawsuit. OhDearGodNo posted:Why is Illfonic standing by and letting themselves take the blame for the FPS module being ripped up and mostly trashed? Not everything has to be a binary. Chris can be a maniac *and* Illfonic can do lovely work. D_Smart posted:To be honest, I didn't think it would make it past my blog back in July when I wrote Interstellar Citizens. But then, in typical fashion, once the media got wind of it, they then had the bogieman (yours truly) they could use as a scapegoat point man to convey - without repercussions - what they were already thinking. Which is why when they took this statement from the blog, then created click-bait headlines out of it, I knew this was going to end very badly for Star Citizen. The thing is I think everyone grossly overestimates what filing some lawsuit will do in the short term. It's not going to be some entertaining shitshow, a lawsuit is going to be filed aaaaaaand then you're going to wait, and wait, and wait. Oh a conference, more waiting. Filings, more waiting. Mandatory mediation, more waiting. More conferences more waiting. And no one outside of you, and a couple of other people will know anything at all, and none of you will be able to talk about it at all.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Why is Illfonic standing by and letting themselves take the blame for the FPS module being ripped up and mostly trashed? Illfonic probably signed a whole shitload of NDAs. We're talking about a games industry where some companies aren't even allowed to say what they worked on. CIG could (and likely would) sue Illfonic into oblivion if they made a public fight about their side of the story. Not to mention that could scare away other potential business because who would want to hire the guys who poo poo all over their last client?
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OhDearGodNo posted:Why is Illfonic standing by and letting themselves take the blame for the FPS module being ripped up and mostly trashed? Perhaps they signed an NDA, main thing I can think of regarding their deafening silence in the face of this debacle.
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Kimsemus posted:I'm not Dr. Smart but the grey market is still REALLY strong over on some subreddits. I already have a plan to collapse it. I wrote a math model and everything. It involved dead chickens. And a goat. But it works. I even went to Reddit and gave them terms of their surrender. They, unsurprisingly, told me to gently caress off. It was hilarious. However, a bunch of people reached out to me to let me know that most of them rely on the Grey market to buy cheap ships and introduce their friends to the game. It's all bullshit really, but I'm pondering the best course of action. Either way, it's all going to collapse anyway, regardless of what I do or don't do.
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What's Line of Defense like? Steam rating is overwhelmingly negative, is that dsmart bashing or is the game as bad as is said?
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D_Smart posted:However, a bunch of people reached out to me to let me know that most of them rely on the Grey market to buy cheap ships and introduce their friends to the game. It's all bullshit really, but I'm pondering the best course of action. why is "b-b-but i need to get my friends in on this ponzi scheme" a "however" burn it to the ground
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jaegerx posted:Derek, Simple. They are inconsequential. And they haven't quite crossed the line yet. So, they can have their corner of the Internet to do their poo poo. The greatest gift they are going to get, is why Star Citizen collapses. And so we wait.
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natetimm posted:Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think paying Hollywood actors shitloads of money to be in video games is a good use of resources. They don't have to carry the production, like they do in a movie. I don't think there's a significant portion of people who play video games that are going "Oh poo poo, I have to buy this game, Kevin Spacey is in it!" It seems cheaper, easier, and more equitable to the labor pool of voice actors to use up-and-coming talent rather than shelling out the big bucks for big names. You can tell with this whole Star Citizen fiasco is just Chris wasting his backer's money to continue his movie aspirations. it works out really well though cause Gary Oldman can play himself in a cameo when they eventually make a movie about Chris Roberts getting coked up and shooting at the repo men like in the ending of Scarface (Peter Stormare can play the Swedish mafia)
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D_Smart posted:I already have a plan to collapse it. I wrote a math model and everything. It involved dead chickens. And a goat. But it works. D_Smart posted:Simple. They are inconsequential. And they haven't quite crossed the line yet. So, they can have their corner of the Internet to do their poo poo. The greatest gift they are going to get, is why Star Citizen collapses. And so we wait. Dude stooooooooop saying things like this. I think you need to really sit down and think if you are Derek Smart, public advocate or Internet Warlord. If you earnestly plan on going to the legal system with this you need to funnel your inner warlord into some other endeavor for some time. Phrasing things like this doesn't make you look like a concerned consumer advocate if makes you look like a grudge bearing dick. As dumb as it is, it can hurt you bad at trial. Unsympathetic plaintiffs can lose even when they're in the right.
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G0RF posted:Can you confirm that their new law LA office features a foyer built to look like an ingame ship? Surely somebody could swing by there and snap a pic of this necessary investment in immersion. Yes. Though I have no idea what stage of construction it is now, as that has apparently been halted. So if someone in LA has the address, go ahead and check it out.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Why is Illfonic standing by and letting themselves take the blame for the FPS module being ripped up and mostly trashed? Because they can't do anything due to NDAs. None of this was their fault. They did what they were asked to do. Then, as is the norm, the specs and scope changed. There was a huge debacle (I know the details). The rest is history.
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Derrick, I gave Star Citizen $45 the other day to spite you haters. just fyi
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Iron Tusk posted:Even if you do get the financials, you may only get the 2.8 from the KS. It's a pretty hard jump from you didn't get the product done on time give me my money back, to give me my money back and also I want all your books for reasons. Even then I'd say 100% that they'll be held under a confidentially agreement. If you go to trial you *might* get to use them as trial exhibits, and even then they still may be confidential. Yes, we have all the ToS versions. They are all linked in my latest blog Yes, lawsuits are not trivial. But unfortunately, that's just how things are.
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starry skies above posted:Derrick, I gave Star Citizen $45 the other day to spite you haters. just fyi 
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Eonwe posted:Remember when I posted so bad in this thread that someone donated $300 to Bernie Sanders if I wouldn't post for a month I'm trying to remember which goon, exactly, that was. I don't think it was Octopode, though my mind does automatically go towards him.
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starry skies above posted:Derrick, I gave Star Citizen $45 the other day to spite you haters. just fyi We are all personally wounded by this attack on our collective consciousness.
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starry skies above posted:Derrick, I gave Star Citizen $45 the other day to spite you haters. just fyi whoo drat you sure showed him
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Ledenko posted:What's Line of Defense like? Steam rating is overwhelmingly negative, is that dsmart bashing or is the game as bad as is said? Mostly dsmart bashing by those who happened to get a free key (the game was yanked from their account within minutes) due to the Steam snafu back in Sept. Some legit poor reviews there, but that's mostly from people who clearly don't understand the game, let alone the dev process for such a massive game.
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CrazyLoon posted:I'm trying to remember which goon, exactly, that was. I don't think it was Octopode, though my mind does automatically go towards him. I kinda think it was him actually, it was someone really level-headed (as in, posts as a straight man) but extremely pro-SC
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natetimm posted:Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think paying Hollywood actors shitloads of money to be in video games is a good use of resources. They don't have to carry the production, like they do in a movie. I don't think there's a significant portion of people who play video games that are going "Oh poo poo, I have to buy this game, Kevin Spacey is in it!" It seems cheaper, easier, and more equitable to the labor pool of voice actors to use up-and-coming talent rather than shelling out the big bucks for big names. You can tell with this whole Star Citizen fiasco is just Chris wasting his backer's money to continue his movie aspirations. I see I'm not the only one that was burnt by Shaq Fu.
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