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Kajeesus posted:God drat, he made it worth the wait.
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I think nowadays long wait times are always followed by some  splash panel.
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Oct 19, 2015 15:37
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Poor Durkon, they might resurrect him but his beard will never recover from this 
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Oct 19, 2015 15:43
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e X posted:
quoting for new page. Also, gently caress yeah!
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Oct 19, 2015 15:57
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Nenonen posted:Poor Durkon, they might resurrect him but his beard will never recover from this Hah, I wonder if the beard will be the equivalent of V's/Elan's/Haley's new outfit after their arcs.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:15
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I don't get how Durkon being a dick about his brother provides the insight he needed about durkon not being himself.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:18
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ikanreed posted:I don't get how Durkon being a dick about his brother provides the insight he needed about durkon not being himself. I'm pretty sure the reason is that Durkon, no matter how pissed, no matter how angry, and no matter how different, would never actually enjoy taunting someone about the death of a child. Durkula's been dancing around "this is Durkon's hidden emotions" but he overplayed it by trying to strike at a weak point that Durkon never would. It almost worked too but he overplayed his hand when he enjoyed himself instead of merely blaming Roy for it. Notice that Roy doesn't figure it out until he starts taunting him about the number of pieces he was in.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:21
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Presumably he got a detail wrong. Maybe Durkon's soul managed to slip him a false memory, or he connected true facts the wrong way, or just somehow contradicted Roy and Durkon's common history. It will probably get explained in the next comic - I don't think we've been shown the relevant facts yet, but having the explanation right before Roy's big moment here would have destroyed the scene's pacing.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:23
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"Here's one thing I've always wondered since you first told me this story: When you found his dead body [...] how many pieces was it in?" totally something Durkon had on his mind all these years that would not tip off Roy. Also the excessive sadism.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:30
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I really hope that it isn't a matter of getting some little detail wrong, because that would suggest that Roy is totally willing to believe that Durkon has it in him to be a sadistic poo poo to one of his oldest companions, and the only reason not to buy it is some small contradiction. It's much better overall if its just Roy realizing that even when Durkon is angry and hurt this is not at all how he would behave. Also, the latter also demonstrates to Durkon that the vampire is lying and is more than just his own bad feelings come how to roost.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:37
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There was an episode a while ago where Durkon realized the vampire spirit watched his memories only for factoids and was very bad at seeing connections between them. I always thought that would lead to his downfall somehow. Might be part of what's going on.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:39
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Roy might not mean it in a "I've figured everything out and mean this 100% literally" sense. Not everything is an absolute. Speaking of absolutes, did Roy just take a level of Paladin? I realize his sword will glow/flame on crits. But, hot drat.
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rocketrobot posted:Roy might not mean it in a "I've figured everything out and mean this 100% literally" sense. Not everything is an absolute. It's not on crits, since you can't crit the undead. The exact mechanism is undetailed but correlates strong with Roy's anger at his foe. / 
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Oct 19, 2015 16:48
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It activates when rolling a natural 20 on an "it would be cool and appropriate and make for a hell of a scene" skill check.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:55
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If we don't get a background of Roy dressed as a vampire hunter, I will be sad.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:06
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Rygar201 posted:It's not on crits, since you can't crit the undead. The exact mechanism is undetailed but correlates strong with Roy's anger at his foe. back at you, critting the undead is possible, it's just that it's generally pointless to confirm the crit because they will not receive extra damage. However, many weapons have a special ability that is activated on critical hits, and monsters immune to critical hits can still trigger these effects.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:09
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If Roy did manage to solo Durkon he'd certainly catch up to everyone on experience.
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My Lovely Horse posted:There was an episode a while ago where Durkon realized the vampire spirit watched his memories only for factoids and was very bad at seeing connections between them. I always thought that would lead to his downfall somehow. Might be part of what's going on. Yeah, that's my thought too.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:15
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Well the spiritual could have been all "give me something to weaken Roy's resolve" and Durkon would be like "Here you go" knowing that would really piss him off.
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Cat Mattress posted:
I'm pretty sure that is straight up untrue. Undead aren't subject to critical hits. You don't crit them, then rolled unmodified damage. You just don't crit them. Man, I can't get over how much I like this comic. The art upgrade really has added some extra impact to it for me. I used to be impressed by how much emotional heft Rich got out of stick figures, but now I kind of wish the whole archive looked this good.
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Clarifications courtesy GiTP forums:Rich posted:[Durkon] showed [Durkula] Roy telling him the story about what happened with Eric. That's it. GiTP Forums poster posted:I think Roy is just realizing that this level of sadism doesn't fit "Durkon, but Evil," especially since he's claiming Durkon was a jerk retroactively ("one thing I've always wondered"). Rich posted:Yes, exactly. This is a tactical error on the part of the vampire, not a trick on the part of Durkon.
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Those forums are so bad. I read them sometimes, but the signal to noise ratio is...poor.
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Makes sense and I'm glad it's apparently gonna be explanation enough. SRD say that undead "are not subject to critical hits." So not even additional effects beyond damage. If you give a sword an effect that specifically affects undead, it wouldn't be smart to key it off crits. Although the way D&D is written I'm sure exactly such an effect exists somewhere.
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Rygar201 posted:I'm pretty sure that is straight up untrue. Undead aren't subject to critical hits. You don't crit them, then rolled unmodified damage. You just don't crit them. Then why do the SRD specify that undead, golems and oozes aren't affected by losing their head from a vorpal sword? SRD posted:Vorpal
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Cat Mattress posted:Then why do the SRD specify that undead, golems and oozes aren't affected by losing their head from a vorpal sword? This isn't a crit, this is a natural 20! 
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Oct 19, 2015 18:00
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My Lovely Horse posted:the way D&D is written
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Yeah, I figured the key words there that tipped off Roy was "all these years".
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Rygar201 posted:I'm pretty sure that is straight up untrue. Undead aren't subject to critical hits. You don't crit them, then rolled unmodified damage. You just don't crit them. DMG pg 222 posted:Some weapon qualities and some specific weapons have an extra effect on a critical hit. A flaming burst weapon, for example, does extra fire damage on a critical hit. This special effect functions against creatures not subject to critical hits, such as undead, elementals, and constructs. When fighting against such creatures, roll for critical hits as you would against humanoids or any other creature subject to critical hits. On a successful critical roll, apply the special effect, but do not multiply the weapon's regular damage.
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Is there a mechanism in D&D where you can get story/roleplaying-induced crits? Because Roy totally just got one.
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I retract my earlier statement about what wouldn't be smart. What is, in fact, not smart is writing down "not subject to critical hits" when it fact you're only talking about damage and have people cross reference three pages with no indication.
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MikeJF posted:Is there a mechanism in D&D where you can get story/roleplaying-induced crits? Because Roy totally just got one. Yeah when you are really low on hp you make sure you roll your die out of sight of anyone else and then proclaim you got a 20.
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blastron posted:This isn't a crit, this is a natural 20! quote:Upon a roll of natural 20 (followed by a successful roll to confirm the critical hit),
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So some the GITP forums posters are noting that Roy is conspicuously absent of any previously drawn battle damage in the splash panel. I wonder if it's artistic expression (can't see them in the light of the sword?) or some new effect of the sword.
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My Lovely Horse posted:I retract my earlier statement about what wouldn't be smart. What is, in fact, not smart is writing down "not subject to critical hits" when it fact you're only talking about damage and have people cross reference three pages with no indication. Seriously, some reference to this in either the Undead or Critical rules would be pretty awesome. Whoops, quote is not edit
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Yeah the game could really use some massive editing and rules clarification but 3.5 grognards are more protective about the precious rulebooks than a Southern Baptist is about the King James Version.
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MikeJF posted:Is there a mechanism in D&D where you can get story/roleplaying-induced crits? Because Roy totally just got one.
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MikeJF posted:Is there a mechanism in D&D where you can get story/roleplaying-induced crits? Because Roy totally just got one. DM can cheat whatever rolls he likes.
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Hell. Yes.
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That's right, with all the rules and plot talk I haven't yet properly expressed how ridiculously good a payoff this is in the short, mid, long and super-long term (this scene, the vampire plot, Roy and Durkon's relationship, and who would have thought when the blacksmith told Roy about the green energy effect we'd get to see this), and also how good that splash panel is.
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Rygar201 posted:So some the GITP forums posters are noting that Roy is conspicuously absent of any previously drawn battle damage in the splash panel. I wonder if it's artistic expression (can't see them in the light of the sword?) or some new effect of the sword. He had downed a potion a few panels before. e: Oh, I see what you mean, he still had some after that. I don't know then.
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