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I think the prevailing rumor right now is that this "Anti-White Star Wars" story is a /pol/ thing and it is being mostly engineered a fake outrage story.
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CommieGIR posted:
Because clickbait writers and the easily trolled on Twitter won't shut the gently caress up about it. It's a bunch of immature boys having a tantrum about sharing their toys with girls and deserves absolutely zero attention.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:28
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Why won't gamergate loving die.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It's a bunch of immature boys having a tantrum about sharing their toys with girls and deserves absolutely zero attention. Seriously. The timeline Rationalwiki made for Gamergate is both hilarious and sad in how its just a giant tantrum that turned into a cluster of tantrums and misogynist spite.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:30
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robotsinmyhead posted:I think the prevailing rumor right now is that this "Anti-White Star Wars" story is a /pol/ thing and it is being mostly engineered a fake outrage story. Racists and people claiming to be racist as a joke are not significantly different
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Man Kills Himself Because Star Wars’ Main Character is Black
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CommieGIR posted:
Because the Gamergators have become the face of the millenial generation's Reactionary Right. The whiny young men who make up that demo are basically proto-freepers. Some of the trappings may be different than those of their predecessors, but at the core they are motivated by the same stupid feelings.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Racists and people claiming to be racist as a joke are not significantly different Particularly when the latter are, in fact, racist.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:32
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CommieGIR posted:
Cause Nerds are the loving worst
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How are u posted:Because the Gamergators have become the face of the millenial generation's Reactionary Right. The whiny young men who make up that demo are basically proto-freepers. Some of the trappings may be different than those of their predecessors, but at the core they are motivated by the same stupid feelings. We can look forward to "enjoying" their views for the rest of our lives. The Republican presidential candidate in 30 years time is probably right now being fired up in enthusiasm for conservative politics by GamerGate and Internet Libertarianism. I can see the future....
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Oct 20, 2015 18:36
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Its source is newswatch33 another one of those lovely onion imitation sites where they publish bullshit for clicks.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:36
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Good.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Racists and people claiming to be racist as a joke are not significantly different True, but the onlooker sees this story without realizing it's cooked up and goes on to complain ad nauseam on Facebook about KIDS THESE DAYS PC TAKEOVER RACE HUSTLERS and now I have to hear about. None of this is good! All of these are bad things!
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Oct 20, 2015 18:38
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robotsinmyhead posted:True, but the onlooker sees this story without realizing it's cooked up and goes on to complain ad nauseam on Facebook about KIDS THESE DAYS PC TAKEOVER RACE HUSTLERS and now I have to hear about. None of this is good! All of these are bad things! I dont really get your point
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Oct 20, 2015 18:39
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Zeroisanumber posted:Good. Agreed.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:39
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I dont really get your point A dumb joke about idiots and my fatigue at seeing fake outrage stories propped up on actual news sites.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:41
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Crowsbeak posted:Its source is newswatch33 another one of those lovely onion imitation sites where they publish bullshit for clicks. Oh, welp.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:42
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robotsinmyhead posted:A dumb joke about idiots and my fatigue at seeing fake outrage stories propped up on actual news sites. But what is meaningfully different between reporting on a bunch of nerds being racist and a bunch of nerds being ironically racist
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robotsinmyhead posted:I think the prevailing rumor right now is that this "Anti-White Star Wars" story is a /pol/ thing and it is being mostly engineered a fake outrage story. Mel Mudkiper posted:But what is meaningfully different between reporting on a bunch of nerds being racist and a bunch of nerds being ironically racist 
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Oct 20, 2015 18:57
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exactly, if your idea of humor is "manufactoring" a racist campaign you are already racist I hate this idea that "trolling" is somehow less legitimately malevolent
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Oct 20, 2015 18:58
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Also /pol/ is legitimately full of white nationalists so if it's a "troll" the way they're trolling is by saying exactly what they actually believe, but on twitter instead of a lovely imageboard
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Oct 20, 2015 19:16
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Mel Mudkiper posted:exactly, if your idea of humor is "manufactoring" a racist campaign you are already racist I wasn't arguing against this point. I had another point, but it's long and annoying and difficult to properly write out and not worth the time either way.
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Bushiz posted:Also /pol/ is legitimately full of white nationalists so if it's a "troll" the way they're trolling is by saying exactly what they actually believe, but on twitter instead of a lovely imageboard It's one of those 'Are you trolling, or are you just really uncomfortable with your true feelings?'
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Oct 20, 2015 19:22
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Ever since the first trailer came out, /pol/ and other places really were raging against a black character in Star Wars. This particular "movement" is trolling in that the hashtag is designed to upset and cause outrage, rather than actually convince anyone (and really doesn't deserve to be "reported" on) , but the sentiment behind it is absolutely genuine.
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Useful Distraction posted:Ever since the first trailer came out, /pol/ and other places really were raging against a black character in Star Wars. But enough about Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu.
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Part of me hopes that JJ Abrams somehow knew what the political culture would be around the time of the movie release and decided to troll the hell out of it by making Lando Calrissian some sort of uber-Popular Space Obama ruler calling all shots for the republic and have the Imperial remnant be very pissed off about flying its flag being seen as bad form. Who am I kidding? All of me wants that.
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robotsinmyhead posted:I wasn't arguing against this point. I had another point, but it's long and annoying and difficult to properly write out and not worth the time either way. Something like this?  e: vvv I absolutely agree. Wales Grey fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Wales Grey posted:Something like this? Saying something deeply offensive and then watching people react to it as deeply offensive is not exactly master level manipulation. The fact of the matter is that this idea the solution to this kind of behavior is to ignore it is wrong. This kind of behavior spread and gained traction entirely because there was never a conscious and deliberate rejection of it. Saw what you want about clickbait SJW yadda yadda but its been quite apparent that the rigorous pushback against this kind of behavior has had more a meaningful impact on marginalizing it than ignoring it ever did.
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BiggerBoat posted:But enough about Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu. Seriously, where were these people when Lando destroyed the second Death Star?
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CommieGIR posted:
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 Am on several blocklists for having opinions.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:30
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beat me to it but seriously this is the face of Gamergate
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Do you think they'll actually try anything? I mean, they're dumb as poo poo and already fringe, but do they really believe that they can start a campaign of harassment against a Prime Minister and not suffer repercussions?
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Oct 20, 2015 20:33
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 If this was made in Canada & was about Trudeau, could he sue?
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"The truth never triumphs, its opponents just die out." --Max Planck Keeshhound posted:Do you think they'll actually try anything? I mean, they're dumb as poo poo and already fringe, but do they really believe that they can start a campaign of harassment against a Prime Minister and not suffer repercussions? Yes, because 13 year olds very rarely consider the repercussions of their tantrums.
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Nonsense posted:
One of the more fascinating questions of gamergate, etc. is how much of it is adult and socially aware people and how much is literal children too naive and ignorant of the world to even understand what they are doing. Like, imagine a network of thousands of fifteen year old white boys creating an interpretation of reality entirely dependent on a weird conglomeration of 15 year old white boy brains. At what point does it become more a force of malignance than conscious malice? Do you think this 15 year old kid from Idaho has any idea of the affect his behavior has on others, especially when he can completely socially isolate himself with like-minded people?
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CommieGIR posted:
Because that which was never alive cannot die. 
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Pope Guilty posted:
the article aside, not all company towns were terrible. they certainly had the potential to be, depending on how much the company wanted to intervene in citizen's private lives or maintain paternalistic control over the unwashed, but there were many company towns that were just underwritten by the company because the job site was so far out in the middle of nowhere that the company had to operate a store, mess hall, church, school etc. just to keep workers from leaving. absenteeism and turnover in many smaller company towns was absurd and the companies often had to float amenities just to prevent highly mobile workers from packing up and looking for a better job. and you also have examples like Ford, who pointedly avoided company towns but still placed moral codes and surveillance on his workers regardless
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Bourneville's alright these days, the only overt moralising that I'm aware of back in the day was that there were no pubs, cause the Cadburys were Quakers. Then again everything I know about it I learned from Cadbury World so.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the article aside, not all company towns were terrible. they certainly had the potential to be, depending on how much the company wanted to intervene in citizen's private lives or maintain paternalistic control over the unwashed, but there were many company towns that were just underwritten by the company because the job site was so far out in the middle of nowhere that the company had to operate a store, mess hall, church, school etc. just to keep workers from leaving. absenteeism and turnover in many smaller company towns was absurd and the companies often had to float amenities just to prevent highly mobile workers from packing up and looking for a better job. and you also have examples like Ford, who pointedly avoided company towns but still placed moral codes and surveillance on his workers regardless Company towns are fine as long as workers retain mobility and are paid in actual money. The moment they get exploitative with respect to rent/food/etc. that becomes an issue.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the article aside, not all company towns were terrible. they certainly had the potential to be, depending on how much the company wanted to intervene in citizen's private lives or maintain paternalistic control over the unwashed, but there were many company towns that were just underwritten by the company because the job site was so far out in the middle of nowhere that the company had to operate a store, mess hall, church, school etc. just to keep workers from leaving. absenteeism and turnover in many smaller company towns was absurd and the companies often had to float amenities just to prevent highly mobile workers from packing up and looking for a better job. and you also have examples like Ford, who pointedly avoided company towns but still placed moral codes and surveillance on his workers regardless Ford gave up on company towns after failing EPICALLY at them in Brazil, where he tried to build his own little rubber-making fiefdom. I'm between classes so I can't do an effortpost, but google 'Fordlandia' if you want to know more.
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