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Ernie Muppari posted:the fight outside the colony also has a layer of sad in that the whole thing is a diversion that seems to cost an awful lot of lives all around for how minor the thing they're covering for is All the while Bernie is sitting next to a guy who they had set up to look like he had caught a piece of shrapnel to the face. It's kind of awful to think about how Zeon got that guy.
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I think it' funny how Elepo Ple is the standard "uguu so cute ^_^" Gundam character among fans that attracts all the pedos, but in the actual show she's a genuine psycho-bitch that opened fire with funnels while on an occupied playground in Axis, attempted to murder Leina in cold blood while Leina was suffering from an untreated gunshot wound, and is the type that would attack you with an axe she dug up in the garage if you didn't pay attention to her all the time. Judau's reasoning for letting her join the team feels like it's basically "Oh god, she's nuts. Better play along with her or else".
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closeted republican posted:I think it' funny how Elepo Ple is the standard "uguu so cute ^_^" Gundam character among fans that attracts all the pedos, but in the actual show she's a genuine psycho-bitch that opened fire with funnels while on an occupied playground in Axis, attempted to murder Leina in cold blood while Leina was suffering from an untreated gunshot wound, and is the type that would attack you with an axe she dug up in the garage if you didn't pay attention to her all the time. Judau's reasoning for letting her join the team feels like it's basically "Oh god, she's nuts. Better play along with her or else". I don't know anyone who has that first reaction you described.
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closeted republican posted:I think it' funny how Elepo Ple is the standard "uguu so cute ^_^" Gundam character among fans that attracts all the pedos, but in the actual show she's a genuine psycho-bitch that opened fire with funnels while on an occupied playground in Axis, attempted to murder Leina in cold blood while Leina was suffering from an untreated gunshot wound, and is the type that would attack you with an axe she dug up in the garage if you didn't pay attention to her all the time. Judau's reasoning for letting her join the team feels like it's basically "Oh god, she's nuts. Better play along with her or else". Gundam ZZ actually predates the moe fad. I an terribly sorry, but not everything can be blamed on cute girls. Also please don't use the term "psycho-bitch"
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closeted republican posted:I think it' funny how Elepo Ple is the standard "uguu so cute ^_^" Gundam character among fans that attracts all the pedos, but in the actual show she's a genuine psycho-bitch that opened fire with funnels while on an occupied playground in Axis, attempted to murder Leina in cold blood while Leina was suffering from an untreated gunshot wound, and is the type that would attack you with an axe she dug up in the garage if you didn't pay attention to her all the time. Judau's reasoning for letting her join the team feels like it's basically "Oh god, she's nuts. Better play along with her or else". Puru's just a child who was encouraged to be selfish and violent by virtue of having magic psychic powers. She's like ten years old and has spent at least a few years of her life being trained to kill people in a mobile suit instead of being raised to respect others and control her impulses like a normal kid. Judau tolerates her because he's used to being a big brother figure to hosed up children.
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gordon waters is a Sophisticated Adult cartoon watcher who likely has quite the classy vhs and laserdisc library unlike boom boom boom and the rest of Today's Mixed-Up Teens
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Droyer posted:Gundam ZZ actually predates the moe fad. I an terribly sorry, but not everything can be blamed on cute girls. Also please don't use the term "psycho-bitch" Just because she predates the official concept of moe doesn't mean she doesn't qualify for all of the criteria. And people are extremely willing to forgive a character's often extremely negative traits based on whether or not they think they're cute regardless of the era. In any case Neo Zeon were kind of crazy in pretty much every area. Reds fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 01:49
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I like Puru.
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Puru puru puru~
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Reds posted:Just because she predates the official concept of moe doesn't mean she doesn't qualify for all of the criteria. And people are extremely willing to forgive a character's often extremely negative traits based on whether or not they think they're cute regardless of the era. Please do not post your essay on why moe is bad in the Gundam thread
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Droyer posted:Please do not post your essay on why moe is bad in the Gundam thread Puru was irritating and she happened to line up with the concept of moe. That's all there is to say on the matter.
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Srice posted:I like Puru. Ah, but which Puru?
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Srice posted:I like Puru. I liked that one of the Evolve episodes gave a happy ending to one of the Purus. They've had real harsh lives.
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You can give justifications for why she was like that but isn't going to change the fact that I found her annoying. Hint: saying that I didn't like her doesn't mean I think she was a "bad" character in the sense of being poorly written.
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Ple is both a deliberate attempt at marketing to pedophiles as well as a massive in-joke at their expense. Fits with ZZ in general really, in that lots of toyetic and 80s cultural forces are driving it and that it's an absurd mess that is having a laugh at its audience most of the time. Even the "serious" aspects of the show are kind of silly in a melodramatic "Gundam" way.
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TNG posted:Ple is both a deliberate attempt at marketing to pedophiles as well as a massive in-joke at their expense. Fits with ZZ in general really. 
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Darth Walrus posted:Ah, but which Puru? Hell, all of them
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TNG posted:Ple is both a deliberate attempt at marketing to pedophiles as well as a massive in-joke at their expense. Fits with ZZ in general really. 
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TNG posted:Ple is both a deliberate attempt at marketing to pedophiles as well as a massive in-joke at their expense. Fits with ZZ in general really, in that lots of toyetic and 80s cultural forces are driving it and that it's an absurd mess that is having a laugh at its audience most of the time. Even the "serious" aspects of the show are kind of silly in a melodramatic "Gundam" way. Please do not post about pedophiles in the Gundam thread
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closeted republican posted:HOLY poo poo I SAW HIM AGAIN TODAY!!!
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Thank you. Also the best Puru is the Puru that totally survived Unicorn and I will adamantly refuse to see events as they allegedly happened in the last movie. 
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ZZ's a funny show, since I am convinced Tomino was having a massive troll-y meltdown that he would only exceed in V Gundam. The title Gundam is this massive chuuni pile of guns and sharp angles, but even today does not quite work at 1/100th or 1/144th scale. And not a lot of the other designs with all their gimmicks do that either. You think the Federation is corrupt and bad? In this one they sell out to Neo Zeon and allow them to drop a colony on Dublin! Neo Zeon itself grows out of the far more restrained Axis remnant as an almost super robot evil empire type bad guy organization. The show literally ends with Judau screaming at how the adults ruin everything. It's like he's taking all the aspects he hates about the Franchise(tm) and all the other the things people expect out of it and moves them up to 11. You want more Gundam? I'll give you the loving Gundam-iest Gundam you've ever had! Honestly the serious parts are sillier to me than the episode where Bright has to catch a Chicken or Moon-Moon. Ple is also bad and creepy and everything about her is terrible, including Marida Cruz who adds a whole buncha poo poo to the already massive poo poo pile. TNG fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Droyer posted:Please do not post about pedophiles in the Gundam thread Well someone is going to post about Glemy Toto eventually, so...
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Much as I rip on 8th Ms Team, it does have great fight choreography throughout. I like that beam sabers are not the immediate go-to weapon, but that most of the fighting is done with the 100mm autocannons and giant artillery snipers. It's a lot slower paced than other Gundam fights, but it has that tactical feel of tank warfare. But then you still get great melees like the Gouf Custom battle. And that GM Sniper is beautiful.
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Srice posted:I like Puru.
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TNG posted:ZZ's a funny show, since I am convinced Tomino was having a massive troll-y meltdown that he would only exceed in V Gundam. The title Gundam is this massive chuuni pile of guns and sharp angles, but even today does not quite work at 1/100th or 1/144th scale. And not a lot of the other designs with all their gimmicks do that either. You think the Federation is corrupt and bad? In this one they sell out to Neo Zeon and allow them to drop a colony on Dublin! Neo Zeon itself grows out of the far more restrained Axis remnant as an almost super robot evil empire type bad guy organization. The show literally ends with Judau screaming at how the adults ruin everything. It's like he's taking all the aspects he hates about the Franchise(tm) and all the other the things people expect out of it and moves them up to 11. You want more Gundam? I'll give you the loving Gundam-iest Gundam you've ever had! Honestly the serious parts are sillier to me than the episode where Bright has to catch a Chicken or Moon-Moon. Stupid Adults! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymeWdSey-A
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MonsieurChoc posted:Stupid Adults! Some brave soul needs to find the entire ZZ dub and post it online. We all deserve to experience this glory in fullness. We all deserve this.
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Raxivace posted:Some brave soul needs to find the entire ZZ dub and post it online. 
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THE DEAD, THE DEAD! ZZ dub is hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdfIFZYJvw gently caress you, Wong! Also, Torres macking on a honey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRX94qHUfM Astronage can ACT!
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I really wish the entire series dub wasnt lost to the sands of time. I want to complete it just to say I did.
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Droyer posted:Please do not post your essay on why moe is bad in the Gundam thread Hideaki Anno posted his in The Origin vol.1: quote:I'm afraid the legacy of Gundam dwindled down to the mobile suits, in the form of plastic models as a business and military hobbyism. Even these mobile suits were summarized down to protagonist mecha, Gundam, so that friend and foe alike were all uniformly Gundams. One could say this was inevitable: the pivotal creation that made Gundam a classic and drives the franchise expansion to this day is, of course, the mobile suit, represented by the RX-78 Gundam, weapon bearing the elements of a character; and the way of the world is that characters are what ultimately remain with the audience. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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TNG posted:ZZ's a funny show, since I am convinced Tomino was having a massive troll-y meltdown that he would only exceed in V Gundam. The title Gundam is this massive chuuni pile of guns and sharp angles, but even today does not quite work at 1/100th or 1/144th scale. And not a lot of the other designs with all their gimmicks do that either. You think the Federation is corrupt and bad? In this one they sell out to Neo Zeon and allow them to drop a colony on Dublin! Neo Zeon itself grows out of the far more restrained Axis remnant as an almost super robot evil empire type bad guy organization. The show literally ends with Judau screaming at how the adults ruin everything. It's like he's taking all the aspects he hates about the Franchise(tm) and all the other the things people expect out of it and moves them up to 11. You want more Gundam? I'll give you the loving Gundam-iest Gundam you've ever had! Honestly the serious parts are sillier to me than the episode where Bright has to catch a Chicken or Moon-Moon. I've watched ZZ through twice and I don't understand what you think makes Puru "creepy". The closest thing to "creepy" involving either Puru is that scene where Glemy is talking to a naked Puru 2, and even that scene isn't "Glemy the pedophile macking on the little girl clone", it's "Glemy literally doesn't consider the Purus to be human beings so he has no respect for their boundaries" since this is the same character who would fall all over himself blushing at Roux sparing him a look. Any weird pedophile readings of the character are strange to me. Puru is a child who received no education or socialization on how to behave in human society and instead was taught to kill and destroy things with a mobile suit. To add on to this, she's a newtype who can constantly feel and respond to the emotions of everyone around her at all times and for her entire childhood was surrounded by people who think "Yep it sure would be cool to turn this kid into a weapon so we can gently caress those Feddie bastards over" or "Man it's gonna be sweet when Haman takes over the world" during her most malleable developmental stages. This means that she's selfish, sociopathic, and doesn't actually understand how to properly empathize with other people despite being a newtype. Judau is the first character she ever meets who attempts to treat her like a human being. I find her to be an OK different take on the cyber newtype girl trope because she's not just "woo I got cyber newtype implants now I get big headaches all the time and I'm loving crazy!!!!" Marida's backstory, on the other hand, is pretty much just gratuitous nonsense to attempt to shock the reader.
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I'm not convinced that ZZ was an attempt to "troll" anything, since it's quite in line with a lot of Tomino's comedies from that era.
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Also waving your hands around and shouting about Puru being creepy character for creepers isn't gonna make it true.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Did Beltorchika's Children and Hathaway's Flash ever get translated, even by fans? Reposting this because I don't think anyone saw the question. I want to read about Bright sentencing his own kid to death.
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Darth Walrus posted:Ah, but which Puru? The one that died
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Kanos posted:I've watched ZZ through twice and I don't understand what you think makes Puru "creepy". The closest thing to "creepy" involving either Puru is that scene where Glemy is talking to a naked Puru 2, and even that scene isn't "Glemy the pedophile macking on the little girl clone", it's "Glemy literally doesn't consider the Purus to be human beings so he has no respect for their boundaries" since this is the same character who would fall all over himself blushing at Roux sparing him a look. Any weird pedophile readings of the character are strange to me. Your explanation doesn't excuse her behavior. When your intro to a character includes her firing willy-nilly inside a civilian area with a fancy newtype mobile suit, one of the conflicts in ZZ's wham episodes being Judau trying to talk her down from murdering a wounded Leina, and her character is basically "homicidal little sister from hell", it's kinda hard not to see her as pretty drat weird, insane, and creepy. "Neo Zeon abused her" doesn't justify "attempted to kill the MC's sister by choking her to death because Ple was jealous".
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