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krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

Cantoris posted:

As others have said, this sounds like a problem with the recording. Have you tried looking for other recordings of the same work? (The music should never be THAT inaudible)

Just then watched a performance by Barcelona Symphony and must admit it was much better. Although it is a bit different when you can actually see the musicians and know what you should be hearing.

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krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

On a slightly related note, I now think that it is okay to watch performances of classical music on YouTube. For some reason I had it in my head that watching a performance is not as "pure" as just listening to a recording. Now I stupidly realise that they didn't even have recordings during the times in which most of the stuff I listen to was composed and so had to watch performances. I guess you can still close your eyes though.

80k
Jul 3, 2004

careful!

krampster2 posted:

Does anyone else find classical music to be a little too quiet sometimes? Don't get me wrong I fully understand the importance of a diminuendo, if everything's a crescendo then nothing is and all that. Although I just don't get the reason for sections that can go on for minutes sometimes where the whole orchestra plays pianississimo or something; what's the point of music if I can't hear it?

I listened to a Bernstein recording with Chicago Symphony of Shostakovich's 7th recently and large portions of it were completely inaudible. I had the volume set so that the crescendos were loud enough to damage my hearing but even still some parts of it I could not hear at all. Of course I don't to change the volume myself, I'd rather listen to a piece as the composer intended.

I have the CD of Bernstein's 7th with the CSO and I think it is an amazing recording. But you do have to endure some serious volume in order to hear the quiet parts.

Wyw
Jan 22, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
Is Decca retarded? Kaufmann cannot sing Puccini or anything in the verismo era, he is so far from a spinto it's unbelievable. But hey Decca also thought Pavarotti was a decent tenor and the three tenors are on the front page and they even promote Florez so this really shouldn't be a surprise. gently caress Decca has really forgotten about quality control, one of the worst labels right now for sure.

Money Bags
Jun 27, 2013

I love Beethoven. One thing I love about Beethoven is when he takes the dying form of fugue and makes it new and exciting in so many of his works including his Missa Solemnis and Hammerklaver. I think fugue is best served as something a work breaks into instead of a standalone form. Any fugue recommendations are appreciated.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Hey guys, vague question incoming. I'm looking for music that evokes dashing knights, beautiful damsels, maybe a wizard or two. None of this blood and brown everywhere Game of Thrones nonsense, I'm looking for something chill and light-hearted. Pompous trailer music is right out. So basically, I want this:

It's Edmund Leighton's Tristan and Isolde from 1902, so maybe I should start looking into late Romantic composers? I honestly have no idea.

In case you know about that sort of stuff, I'm also game for secular late medieval/early renaissance music. Finding stuff has been bit of a crapshoot thus far.

Siivola fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 3, 2015

Breadallelogram
Oct 9, 2012


Well, try Wagner's Tristan und Isolde.

david crosby
Mar 2, 2007

Money Bags posted:

I love Beethoven. One thing I love about Beethoven is when he takes the dying form of fugue and makes it new and exciting in so many of his works including his Missa Solemnis and Hammerklaver. I think fugue is best served as something a work breaks into instead of a standalone form. Any fugue recommendations are appreciated.

Check out Shostakovich's 24 preludes & fugues

krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

Yay! I got tickets for Queensland Symphony Orchestra's performance of Mahler's 6th Symphony and the Rückert Lieder song cycle. Will be my first concert I'll have gone to of any magnitude. Had only ever been to see the local orchestra of my small home city before. I've not even heard the Rückert Lieder cycle before but I'm sure it's great haha.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
Jealous, that's one of my favourite pieces! The Edmonton SO doesn't play much Mahler or other really big ensemble pieces that much :smith:

Mederlock fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Sep 4, 2015

krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

I wish I could have gotten a better seat but I bought the tickets a bit late and had to go with a rear choir seat :(
What's it like sitting behind the stage, does anyone know? Are the acoustics okay?

Money Bags
Jun 27, 2013

david crosby posted:

Check out Shostakovich's 24 preludes & fugues

This is one of my favorites actually. His cycle of prelude and fugue is a long way from Bach's and he takes his fugues to another level. I've been meaning to check out Hindemith's take on the idea for a while.

Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

krampster2 posted:

I wish I could have gotten a better seat but I bought the tickets a bit late and had to go with a rear choir seat :(
What's it like sitting behind the stage, does anyone know? Are the acoustics okay?

Super depends on the venue, but I would imagine if they put seats back there, it must be at least decent.

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
Someone just discovered a long lost piece by Stravinsky:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/06/igor-stravinsky-lost-work-emerges-after-100-years

Nic Cage dick cage
Jun 23, 2009

Lipstick Apathy
Listening to Brahms - Clarinet Sonatas 1 & 2 by Oppitz and Leister. Sounds like music written by someone who has come to terms with himself/life, and so is comfortable within all that and behind a big beard.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Is anyone here perhaps involved in booking chamber ensembles? My friend plays in a string quartet that's one of the best in this part of Europe but they can't find a good manager and are currently struggling with international bookings.

Cantoris
May 11, 2015

I play video games 29 hours a day

oncearoundaltair posted:

Listening to Brahms - Clarinet Sonatas 1 & 2 by Oppitz and Leister. Sounds like music written by someone who has come to terms with himself/life, and so is comfortable within all that and behind a big beard.

You should listen to the Intermezzi for Piano, they are amazing as well!

Nic Cage dick cage
Jun 23, 2009

Lipstick Apathy

Cantoris posted:

You should listen to the Intermezzi for Piano, they are amazing as well!

Yes, they are indeed. There's something special about his later work, although I love almost everything he composed. As far as the intermezzi are concerned I have them performed by Julius Katchen as part of the Decca solo piano set. But I like to hear other interpretations and recordings. You have one in particular you enjoy for those?

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


One of my friends sing in a choir and I usually think they have absolutely phenomenal music, so now I'm looking for something similar to, say, Paul Mealor and James Whitbourn. Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qrsk_UGAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5LEVkuYhfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb8UadPWc

timebandit
Mar 22, 2004
Hi dead thread! Come back to us!

Okay, so I just watched the yelp episode of south park and if anybody could identify the piece of music playing whilst Gerald brovlovski writes his habanero chicken review I would be forever grateful.

Also, I've been looking for a concert band (or perhaps orchestral?) rendition of "the lords prayer" whose first measures begin with an orchestra chimes solo... I know I'm digging kinda hard with this one (if anybody happens to have the 2004 Delaware all state band cd I know it's the last track).

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Is Mahler's 10th worth seeing live? The front row seats are like 20 dollars (I know front seats have subpar sound but that's cheap and I like watching the cellists sweat) but I'm totally unfamiliar with his work. It's the Cooke version, if it helps.

Wyw posted:

America has ???????????????????) The answer is not John Adams or Philip Glass for obvious reasons.

Why not? Nixon in China and Satyagraha are both amazing.

Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Nov 12, 2015

starry skies above
Aug 23, 2015

by zen death robot
The other day I listened to Beethoven's opus 131 string quartet, the version arranged for string orchestra and conducted by Leonard Bernstein. It was the first time I emotionally connected with the opening fugue, which is very aching and melancholic. The string orchestra version obviously lacks the immediacy of the regular version but it's certainly worth a listen.

This is the fugue/1st movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx3xW1_jXm4

Oprah
Nov 26, 2015
You can livestream the Berlin Philharmonic. It's like twitch for classical music.

There is a subscription fee, but if you really love classical music, its worth it.

https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/tickets

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
It also gives you access to a good amount of recordings, documentaries and movies surrounding everything the Berliners are doing and playing.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Does anyone know what's up with the two versions of Xenakis's Persepolis? There's the one from the original LP that is about 46 minutes long which I've got on a compilation called Alpha and Omega, and then there's a CD reissue of the original LP that's 55 minutes long. Was it edited down to fit on a record originally?

von Braun
Oct 30, 2009


Broder Daniel Forever
Anyone know if you can watch the documentary "Desert Fugue" Wiki without having to import the CD Box?

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
Nikolaus Harnoncourt retired today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nGs3luKYBw

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
I'm not really a classic music guy but after reading a book on the Siege of Leningrad I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 a few times and really liked it. Is there a consensus best performance/recording of it? I don't mind paying, obviously.


I'd also appreciate suggestions on similar pieces. I really like the unease that it seeps with.

80k
Jul 3, 2004

careful!

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm not really a classic music guy but after reading a book on the Siege of Leningrad I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 a few times and really liked it. Is there a consensus best performance/recording of it? I don't mind paying, obviously.


I'd also appreciate suggestions on similar pieces. I really like the unease that it seeps with.

The Bernstein/Chicago Symphony Orchestra is probably the most often-mentioned favorite/best performance of the 7th... it is paired with the 1st on a 2CD set. Kondrashin and Gergiev and Ancerl are worth checking out as well.

krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm not really a classic music guy but after reading a book on the Siege of Leningrad I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 a few times and really liked it. Is there a consensus best performance/recording of it? I don't mind paying, obviously.


I'd also appreciate suggestions on similar pieces. I really like the unease that it seeps with.

Yeah I have the Bernstein with CSO recording as well and it's pretty darn good. After the 7th I would listen to the 5th, the 10th, then the 11th symphony.

Shostakovitch's 5th is one of my favourite symphonies in all of classical music, and the piece that really got me obsessed with classical music. I'd recommend this Bernstein recording if you'd like to watch a performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FF4HyB77hQ
Alternatively there's this recording, I have it on Spotify myself: http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-5-9-Dmitri-Shostakovich/dp/B00000K4J7

david crosby
Mar 2, 2007

Eifert Posting posted:

I'm not really a classic music guy but after reading a book on the Siege of Leningrad I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 a few times and really liked it. Is there a consensus best performance/recording of it? I don't mind paying, obviously.


I'd also appreciate suggestions on similar pieces. I really like the unease that it seeps with.

In addish to what Krampster said, I'd also eventually check out Shostakovich's 8th symphony. Like the 7th, it was written as a response to the war. The emotional content of the 8th is much darker than the 7th, imo; if unease is what you want, then the 8th gon give it to ya.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Thanks all. I'm a bit of a Russophile so I'm sure I'll like them.

CowOnCrack
Sep 26, 2004

by R. Guyovich

Black Griffon posted:

One of my friends sing in a choir and I usually think they have absolutely phenomenal music, so now I'm looking for something similar to, say, Paul Mealor and James Whitbourn. Something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qrsk_UGAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5LEVkuYhfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb8UadPWc

Alfred Schnittke - 3 Sacred Hymns

https://youtu.be/5QOLhOaf6ok

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Pierre Boulez died today at age 90.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIlfuf2wUok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrrPtpCIPA

Youtube user dou40006 offers this analysis of his work: "We keep waiting that something is going to happen, but the waiting is deceptive ...nothing never happen with this music that is stuck in its inability to carry some life or take some shape, it distillates only boredom and vacuity from the first note to the last. This music is useless annoying and a failure, more it is an imposture."

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
Not many of the great conductors from what some might consider the Golden age of recording modern classical music between the 40`s to around the 80's are left.

I'm a big fan of Boulez's work with Mahler, here's a fantastic performance of the 7th symphony I'll be listening to today. That euphonium solo gets me everytime (well it's technically a tenor horn solo but after hearing it on euphonium Mahler reportedly preferred it over the somewhat different German tenor horn)

https://youtu.be/u34TL77GHss

Wronkos
Jan 1, 2011

cebrail posted:

Youtube user dou40006 offers this analysis of his work: "We keep waiting that something is going to happen, but the waiting is deceptive ...nothing never happen with this music that is stuck in its inability to carry some life or take some shape, it distillates only boredom and vacuity from the first note to the last. This music is useless annoying and a failure, more it is an imposture."

What's your opinion on Boulez, then? I've never listened to his works before, but it seems to me that a lot of composers from that era share similar melodic ideas in that there's not always a struggle and a resolution. You can't go into it expecting a grand Romantic finale.

firebad57
Dec 29, 2008

Wronkos posted:

What's your opinion on Boulez, then? I've never listened to his works before, but it seems to me that a lot of composers from that era share similar melodic ideas in that there's not always a struggle and a resolution. You can't go into it expecting a grand Romantic finale.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I think it's really worthwhile to do some research on how Serialist composition works if you want to start to understand the music of Boulez and his contemporaries.

I'm on the way out, so I can't fully explain at the moment, but since they essentially used (simple) mathematical processes to generate most of the pitches in the music, the lack of melodic "direction" makes sense.

Especially for Boulez, who used those processes to generate every aspect of the music (so-called Integral Serialism).

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Wronkos posted:

What's your opinion on Boulez, then? I've never listened to his works before, but it seems to me that a lot of composers from that era share similar melodic ideas in that there's not always a struggle and a resolution. You can't go into it expecting a grand Romantic finale.

I like Boulez. I was making fun of the youtube person because they tried to brush off the entirety of modernism in one sentence by using big boy words. I mean, that post was hilarious. "its an imposture!"

Peggotty fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 7, 2016

Wronkos
Jan 1, 2011

cebrail posted:

I like Boulez. I was making fun of the youtube person because they tried to brush off the entirety of modernism in one sentence by using big boy words. I mean, that post was hilarious. "its an imposture!"

Yeah, I figured :) As far as I can remember, the only 20th century classical composers I've listened to are John Cage and John Adams, so I don't have much exposure to Serialism and the like

Wronkos fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jan 7, 2016

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Mahler
Oct 30, 2008

Boulez is good orchestration porn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIlfuf2wUok

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