|
theflyingorc posted:people get really weird when you attack things that they see as core to their identity I was completely indifferent to sports fans until I lived in Denver. Whether their team won or lost, they trashed their own town.  Now I work in a job where you have to make small talk with people every day and it's psychically painful for me to have to pretend enthusiasm for <random person>'s sports team. I don't mind casual fans, but the hardcore fans are the worst. It wouldn't be so bad if I were in a location where only 1 or 2 teams are everyone's teams, but I'm at a military base, so we have hardcore fans from all over the U.S. here. Football season is the worst. I have had to break up almost-to-physical-violence arguments between fans of rival teams or fans of local teams vs. non-local teams. 
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 00:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 18:55 |
|
|
I follow the World Cup, and we fans would never resort to such - Player stabbed, referee dismembered over soccer quarrel in Brazil.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 00:59
|
|
|
Wiggy Marie posted:I follow the World Cup, and we fans would never resort to such - Player stabbed, referee dismembered over soccer quarrel in Brazil. article posted:It ended when the player's enraged family members stoned the referee to death and dismembered his body. Jesus loving Christ 
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 01:08
|
|
|
Wiggy Marie posted:I follow the World Cup, and we fans would never resort to such - Player stabbed, referee dismembered over soccer quarrel in Brazil. English football fans have their own wikipedia article
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 01:17
|
|
|
If you look at team sports as being substitutes for good old fashioned tribal warfare, then a fan catching a coma-beatdown in a parking lot after the game suddenly makes a lot more sense. Go Hawks. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 12:19
|
|
|
AnonSpore posted:English football fans have their own wikipedia article When we chant "Two World Wars and one World Cup" we aren't really making much of a distinction between the two things you know. National matches are a bonding experience where dyed-in-the-wool psychos and bamcases from rival teams across the country can put aside their differences and gather in the communal cause of kicking gently caress out of foreigners and anyone who looks a bit like a wrong'un.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 12:59
|
|
|
You can save some time with your chant by rephrasing it to "Two Wars, One Cup".
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 14:22
|
|
|
Karma Monkey posted:I was completely indifferent to sports fans until I lived in Denver. Whether their team won or lost, they trashed their own town. People who make a sports team really, really central to their identity creep me out. Any level of fandom is fine as long as at the end of the day you recognize that none of the narratives are real and that your choice of team is largely arbitrary. There's some places where you could beaten up for wearing the wrong team's jersey, which is crazy, and if I had specific examples they'd fit this thread.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 15:30
|
|
|
AnonSpore posted:English football fans have their own wikipedia article No, English hooligans have their own article. For the American football fans who get violent sport is the reason, whereas for hooligans it's just the excuse.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 16:26
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:People who make a sports team really, really central to their identity creep me out. Any level of fandom is fine as long as at the end of the day you recognize that none of the narratives are real and that your choice of team is largely arbitrary. Obsessives about any element of media, really. Sports fanatics are just more mainstream than, say, bronies.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 16:37
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:People who make a sports team really, really central to their identity creep me out. Any level of fandom is fine as long as at the end of the day you recognize that none of the narratives are real and that your choice of team is largely arbitrary. Giants fan Brian Stow was beaten into a coma by two Dodgers fans and is now an invalid for life
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 16:44
|
|
|
I recently visited some friends outside of Boston, and wanted to bring their three-year-old a little souvenir from Baltimore, where I live. I decided on an Orioles shirt, and texted my friend to see what size the kid wore. He half-jokingly replied that the shirt might not be the best idea, as they were still new to the area and didn't want to make enemies. I bought the kid a little plush crab instead, which was probably for the best.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 16:52
|
|
|
Most of these incidents at least in America, aren't even about the sports teams themselves. Its about drunk macho alpha male types who can't let even the smallest insult slide. Its never the specific comment about the team that starts the fight, its the "go gently caress yourself" response that always kicks things off because some guys just can't walk away when someone says certain magic words. Alcohol is a major factor, in my opinion it shouldn't be served at large sporting events, or there should be some way to limit people to 2 or 3 drinks.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 17:28
|
|
|
Minarchist posted:Giants fan Brian Stow was beaten into a coma by two Dodgers fans and is now an invalid for life Jesus that article.  quote:The complaint specified that he cut and disabled Stow's tongue, put out an eye and slit his nose, ear and lip in addition to other injuries that left him brain damaged.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 19:07
|
|
|
Karma Monkey posted:Jesus that article. It's easier and quicker than you think when you're stomping someone in the head onto rough asphalt. The whole altercation was maybe 30 seconds, max.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 19:15
|
|
|
Minarchist posted:It's easier and quicker than you think when you're stomping someone in the head onto rough asphalt. The whole altercation was maybe 30 seconds, max. Oh I guess I thought there was a knife involved. It's still pretty loving awful. I also wonder if that defendant really was smirking throughout the family's and judge's statements or if that's just the reporter vilifying him - not that he needs any help looking like a piece of poo poo, mind you.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 19:20
|
|
|
Basebf555 posted:Most of these incidents at least in America, aren't even about the sports teams themselves. Its about drunk macho alpha male types who can't let even the smallest insult slide. Its never the specific comment about the team that starts the fight, its the "go gently caress yourself" response that always kicks things off because some guys just can't walk away when someone says certain magic words. Alcohol is a major factor, in my opinion it shouldn't be served at large sporting events, or there should be some way to limit people to 2 or 3 drinks. Unless you've got the money for a massive team of no-fun police to go around and watch all the tailgaters, there's no way to cut down on alcohol. I live in a big college football town and almost no one actually drinks in the stadium, it's all in the parking lot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 19:27
|
|
|
Samfucius posted:Unless you've got the money for a massive team of no-fun police to go around and watch all the tailgaters, there's no way to cut down on alcohol. I live in a big college football town and almost no one actually drinks in the stadium, it's all in the parking lot. Turn down anyone who's obviously shitfaced, thats what they do at clubs here in Australia to keep the trouble outside (also and probably more importantly to make more money at the bar)
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 21:52
|
|
|
Of course the real answer is that beer companies are major sponsors of these leagues, and also the owners of the teams/stadiums would never want to cut out a major stream of revenue by banning alcohol. But it could be done fairly easily, especially in a pro sport, or on any college campus where the football team is nationally known and successful. These programs rake in millions upon millions every year, it really wouldn't be that burdensome to institute a policy of no tailgating/drinking on campus and hiring security to patrol and kick people off the property if they violate the rules. But then I suppose the whole enterprise would implode because half the people attending these games wouldn't be there if they couldn't drink.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 21:59
|
|
|
LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:Turn down anyone who's obviously shitfaced, thats what they do at clubs here in Australia to keep the trouble outside (also and probably more importantly to make more money at the bar) I mean, they do. At least here. The thing is, a lot of seasoned drinkers are really good at holding it together for the ten minutes they have to spend in line.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 22:22
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:People who make a sports team really, really central to their identity creep me out. Any level of fandom is fine as long as at the end of the day you recognize that none of the narratives are real and that your choice of team is largely arbitrary.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 22:31
|
|
|
It's not just bars in the stadiums, though, a lot of times there's tons of places to drink around them as well. Just last spring, an anti-violence march here turned a bit ugly when it went past a bar by the stadium and the drunken idiots there decided to start shouting racial slurs at the protesters.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 22:33
|
|
|
Basebf555 posted:Alcohol is a major factor, in my opinion it shouldn't be served at large sporting events, or there should be some way to limit people to 2 or 3 drinks. There is. A beer costs $9 and up at a football game.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 22:46
|
|
Cat Army
|
LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:Turn down anyone who's obviously shitfaced, thats what they do at clubs here in Australia to keep the trouble outside (also and probably more importantly to make more money at the bar) Come up with some sensible limits like the Aussies did for Bathurst  That isn't a joke, that is the actual amount you're allowed to take
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 23:24
|
|
|
Why even limit it if the amount you limit it to will get people loving shithoused. 24 beers in a day? I mean I guess if you did it literally over 24 hours you would be fine, but you know that's all gonna go in about 5 hours at most.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2015 23:38
|
|
|
Samfucius posted:Why even limit it if the amount you limit it to will get people loving shithoused. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRz8FWPUmpI
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2015 17:07
|
|
|
dissss posted:Come up with some sensible limits like the Aussies did for Bathurst I just heard my liver whimper.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2015 19:00
|
|
|
Karma Monkey posted:Oh I guess I thought there was a knife involved. The article says Sanchez and Norwood would also be facing weapons charges that could get them ten years, so there probably was a knife involved.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2015 01:48
|
|
|
When I was a cashier a customer tried to start a fight over sports with me. I had no idea what her problem was or why she was yelling at me about the Yankees until I realized the tissue box on my register had a Mets logo. I had the sniffles and just grabbed whatever when the tissue company was putting out Mets and Yankees boxes.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2015 02:27
|
|
|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Ramirez Gloria Ramirez was a Riverside, California, woman dubbed "the toxic lady" by the media when several Riverside General Hospital workers became ill after exposure to her body and blood.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2015 20:35
|
|
|
To go back to sports chat, one of the most prominent examples for me is Larkhall in Scotland. The football rivalry there is so strong that the majority of the (Rangers supporting) population does not tolerate the colour green even being in the town, because it is associated with their rival team, Celtic. In practice what this leads to is shops having to change the colours of their signs, green streetlights being smashed and even grass being uprooted. It's mind-boggling to think that people could hate something as benign and ubiquitous as the colour green, but there you have it. Article if you want to read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/scottish-town-where-green-is-beyond-the-pale-981747.html
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 14:33
|
|
|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster Probably familiar to anyone in the UK but I'd never heard of it. Crowd control measures designed to keep fans of opposing teams on separate sides of the stadium at a football match lead to overcrowding; people keep entering without realizing the stadium is at full capacity. Within 20 minutes, 96 people are dead and 766 others are injured. As a bonus, The Sun prints some completely bogus poo poo blaming the fans for the disaster. The editor responsible takes four years to apologize and then retracts his apology, then apologizes again, based on which way the wind's blowing. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 16:06
|
|
|
RNG posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster Liverpool fans still boycott the Sun, IIRC.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 16:18
|
|
|
Anybody with a brain boycotts the sun, although I'm not sure how much that applies to football fans.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 18:01
|
|
|
Peanut Butter posted:To go back to sports chat, one of the most prominent examples for me is Larkhall in Scotland. The football rivalry there is so strong that the majority of the (Rangers supporting) population does not tolerate the colour green even being in the town, because it is associated with their rival team, Celtic. In practice what this leads to is shops having to change the colours of their signs, green streetlights being smashed and even grass being uprooted. It's mind-boggling to think that people could hate something as benign and ubiquitous as the colour green, but there you have it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 18:12
|
|
|
RNG posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster I remember this mainly from an episode of Cracker, where Robert Carlyle plays a batshit Liverpool fan. That's when I learned their super-catchy football chant "L-I-V -- E-R-P -- Double O Ell, Liverpool FC!" Watching Robert Carlyle mentally disintergrate as he rocks himself chanting that was a real mix of  and 
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 18:28
|
|
|
its almost like people in big groups tend to make retarded decisions and do poo poo that they wouldn't normally do by themselves.. they really ought to make a formal definition of this phenomenon.. when getting together into a big group, or herd, if you will, causes the individual members' thought processes to converge together and form a collective type of, shall we say.. mentality???
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 18:48
|
|
|
Freudian posted:Liverpool fans still boycott the Sun, IIRC.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 19:33
|
|
|
Pharnakes posted:Anybody with a brain boycotts the sun, although I'm not sure how much that applies to football fans. i thought goons boycotted the sun (by staying indoors)
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 19:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 18:55 |
|
|
LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:its almost like people in big groups tend to make retarded decisions and do poo poo that they wouldn't normally do by themselves.. they really ought to make a formal definition of this phenomenon.. when getting together into a big group, or herd, if you will, causes the individual members' thought processes to converge together and form a collective type of, shall we say.. mentality??? Nobel prize winning stuff right here. If only you can come up with a name. Something that alliterates would be catchy. 'Mafia mindset?'
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 19:37
|
|
