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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, the subtext (in the theatrical cut, at least) is that Dillon is killing everyone. Note that the the attempted rapist just disappears, and is never mentioned again, after Dillon decides to "re-educate" him with the big lead pipe. Steve2911 posted:Well gently caress. It looks like a puppet whenever it's scampering along the ground but whenever it jumps or runs along a wall or ceiling it moves differently and looks almost completely different. How did they even manage that.
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Xenomrph posted:Actually the rapist is killed by the Alien on-screen during the corridor chase, sorry. I'm referring to the character 'Junior.'
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm referring to the character 'Junior.'
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm referring to the character 'Junior.'
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Xenomrph posted:My mistake, I was thinking of Gregor (who is also present at the attempted rape), but yeah as david_a pointed out, Junior's fate is still shown in the Assembly Cut. Right, but the removal of that plot-point in the (superior) theatrical cut turns the character's disappearance into pure subtext, highlighting the Dillon character's relationship to sin and punishment. That theme is present in both cuts, of course, but conveyed differently. Keep in mind that Alien 3 is a microcosmic allegorical tale about life on Earth, where Dillion stands for The Church (and the guards stand for The State, etc.). So, in the Assembly version, Junior the rapist is of course locked away, taking the Dragon with him. Harmony is restored until Golic opens the door, steps into the darkness, and emerges transformed into the Dragon. The theatrical cut simply skips these steps and has these human characters vanish without any literal explanation, being replaced by the alien. But we've nonetheless established that Dillon is attempting to repress these characters' sinful behaviour through violence that is repeatedly equated to that of the alien ("I am a murderer and rapist of women."). And of course this attempt at harnessing the alien's power for 'good' is destined to fail, as what Dillon really desires is his own annihilation.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right, but the removal of that plot-point in the (superior) theatrical cut turns the character's disappearance into pure subtext, highlighting the Dillon character's relationship to sin and punishment. That theme is present in both cuts, of course, but conveyed differently. I literally just had a drawn out "Hmmmmm" while reading this post. Also, I really love that they call the Xenomorph "The Dragon".
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Way back in the day I was staying at my 70yo nan's and was really bored so I went out and rented some videotapes. While she didn't think much of JFK, Alien cubed was a big hit with her.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right, but the removal of that plot-point in the (superior) theatrical cut 4/10
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:the (superior) theatrical cut Mods?????
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Xenomrph posted:This is the point where I stopped reading because I knew you were trolling. You tipped your hand too early, you should have saved that for the end of your post. SMG would be like the greatest poster ever if he didn't try so hard to troll people. I'm a bit partial to the theatrical cut myself (mostly just because it makes a dull movie shorter) but there was no reason to stick that in there other than to annoy folks.
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lizardman posted:I'm a bit partial to the theatrical cut myself Mods?????
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lizardman posted:SMG would be like the greatest poster ever if he didn't try so hard to troll people. I'm a bit partial to the theatrical cut myself (mostly just because it makes a dull movie shorter) but there was no reason to stick that in there other than to annoy folks. Need I remind you that you're posting on the comedy forum called Something Awful, widely known for elevating the practice of trolling to an art form?
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Need I remind you that you're posting on the comedy forum called Something Awful, widely known for elevating the practice of trolling to an art form? With posters like SMG it's pretty easy to forget.
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Trolling is a fake idea. Alien 3 is a movie that simply doesn't benefit from having more exposition. The dog is obviously better than the ox, considering its death is intercut with the "why must the innocent be punished" speech. And, also, Ripley's original death was much too tasteful. The queen popping out is a nice schlock punchline to the proceedings.
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lizardman posted:SMG would be like the greatest poster ever if he didn't try so hard to troll people. I'm a bit partial to the theatrical cut myself (mostly just because it makes a dull movie shorter) but there was no reason to stick that in there other than to annoy folks. I agree, mostly for that reason. It's a mediocre movie, and most of what the Assembly Cut adds is just more of the same mediocrity. It's more plot, but not more of anything else.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Trolling is a fake idea. As with all 4 Alien movies, my "preferred edition" would be a mix of the two editions of each movie included in the Anthology set.
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I prefer the ox and the less gross death. Space movie opinions!
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http://youtu.be/V--gH9ayR-o 3 hour HD Aliens 2 documentary, pretty interesting stuff! Cant see the making of Promethius being as interesting.
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It actually is, and it's about an hour longer so...
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CelticPredator posted:It actually is, and it's about an hour longer so... Got a link if it's decent? Is there a red letter media esq explanation of the film and it's flaws and good bits that's worth watching as well?
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I don't think anyone's uploaded it. You'll have to buy the 3D collectors blu ray.
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willie_dee posted:http://youtu.be/V--gH9ayR-o 3 hour HD Aliens 2 documentary, pretty interesting stuff! Cant see the making of Promethius being as interesting. I'd be more interested in an equivalent documentary for Alien.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'd be more interested in an equivalent documentary for Alien. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl4aKjXhZNY Ya'll people need to pick up the Alien Anthology blu ray. It's like, 25 bucks right now. No excuse. I've probably watched those docs as much as I've seen the movies. They're all great. Even Alien Resurrection's!
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The best thing about the behind the scenes stuff for Aliens is the development of the queen. Its got all these great interviews with Stan Winston and his team, and you get to see the queen basically built from the ground up. Its fascinating to watch the final scene knowing what went into creature, Cameron had to use all the tricks in the book to hide the fact that it was basically a giant puppet.
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Basebf555 posted:The best thing about the behind the scenes stuff for Aliens is the development of the queen. Its got all these great interviews with Stan Winston and his team, and you get to see the queen basically built from the ground up. Its fascinating to watch the final scene knowing what went into creature, Cameron had to use all the tricks in the book to hide the fact that it was basically a giant puppet. H R Giger never really stated many public opinions of the Alien sequels, but I do remember him saying that he liked the Queen very much.
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He called the Aliens in Resurrection brown turd cockroaches.
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CelticPredator posted:He called the Aliens in Resurrection brown turd cockroaches. Having said that, the book 'Giger's Alien' is super cool, the images are all of his concept art for Alien, and the text is all transcripts from his diary he kept during the production of the movie.
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Xenomrph posted:Giger was trying to reinvent the wheel I have no idea why you'd go to Giger if this isn't what you want.
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They wanted to use his stuff, but remember the whole production was rushed so they didn't have time to go meet with Giger to create a fully collaborative design.
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Look if we can have one star wars a year is one aliens every 2-3 years such a bad thing, you babies? This is the thinking man's sci fi franchise!
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CelticPredator posted:http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/11/23/neill-blomkamps-aborted-alien-sequel-wouldve-focused-on-newt You loving rear end in a top hat, this is like you showing me a chocolate almond cake in the dumpster and being like "You're welcome, good thing they threw that poo poo out."
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I want my loving Aliens timeline split. Alien 3 and Resurrection can be categorized as Infinities. Dark Horse can issue a limited series along the lines of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles Forever where Clone Ripley and Call team up with old Hicks and adult Newt and also Billie and Wilks where all the alternate timelines converge in order to stop Skynet from stopping the first Prometheus Guy from dissolving himself.
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Lurdiak posted:You loving rear end in a top hat, this is like you showing me a chocolate almond cake in the dumpster and being like "You're welcome, good thing they threw that poo poo out." I was just looking out for your health. Eat a different, newer piece of chocolate. Hicks and Newt and Ripley, Dead and Loving it.
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Phew, that sounds like a terminally boring New Star Wars style fan fiction affair. While Ridley Scott doesn't guarantee that the new movie will be good, at least I'm reasonably hopeful that he won't be giving the fans what they think they want.
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Michael Biehn confirmed that Blomkamp's Alien movie would've pulled some Terminator Genisys retcon bullshit by bringing back Newt and ignoring Alien 3 & Resurrection. http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/23/michael-biehn-blomkamps-alien-5-would-have-brought-back-newt Shameful.
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I didn't see it.  But I agree with it. 
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