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Will StevenCrowder ever get the love and attention he needs?
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Nov 25, 2015 21:24
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Those savage indians fighting. Not like us civilized Europeans who never go to war with each other. They were no angels.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:24
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The American education does indeed do a lovely job of teaching Native American history btw. Some of the stuff about them is incredibly interesting. FMguru posted:We outlasted disco! Just, uh, ignore that week-long EDM festival that shuts down the city of a long weekend every year with a half-million attendees, that's something totally different "We outlasted the hippie movement!" /ignores the various "hippie" like businesses, groups like Phish and Marijuana being legalized in Colorado, Oregon and Washington! "We outlasted Air America!" /ignore the fact that Al Franken is a loving senator now.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:29
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FuzzySkinner posted:The American education does indeed do a lovely job of teaching Native American history btw. yeah. we do. neither side in politics do the native americans any justice though. Crowders right wing side is indefinably worse with their outright demonetization of native cultures and how they all desevred to be massacared by the white christian men. but the left doesnt do any them favors when they push the"noble utopian savages who never warred with each other and lived in Utopian societies. I think the left does it much better. I always went with "the native americans were a fascinating people with interesting culture who were like real people and cultures had faults and fought each other. but they were unfortunately hosed over and exploited and ethnically cleansed by shithead Europeans/americans because "muh manifest destiny".
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Nov 25, 2015 21:53
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FuzzySkinner posted:The American education does indeed do a lovely job of teaching Native American history btw.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:54
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beatlegs posted:Will StevenCrowder ever get the love and attention he needs? Only what he deserves.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:57
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beatlegs posted:Will StevenCrowder ever get the love and attention he needs? He already got his share: 
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Nov 25, 2015 22:07
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The bullshit level of labeling Native Americans savages with primitive culture cannot be understated. There was a massive production and trade network, in-depth agricultural knowledge, and massive mound structures that are conveniently forgot about. Some were hundreds of feet across and dozens of feet high, forming complex images when viewed from the sky. We literally plowed over these sacred burial mounds for farming until they were flat. Because our ancestors literally destroyed their history and peoples, assholes like Crowder can more easily push that there was no culture to begin with. So, thanks for helping to keep the White Man seen as destructive, narcissistic douchebags in your pathetic attempt at "comedy", you ignorant prick.
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Nov 25, 2015 23:24
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Scalping was popularized by Europeans as well. 
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Nov 25, 2015 23:27
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hmm this sounds familiar "Putin is too soft, too delicate … Just try to do that when Brezhnev was in power. Five minutes and Turkey wouldn't exist." You could change a few names and it's something Hannity would say
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Nov 26, 2015 00:07
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baw posted:hmm this sounds familiar
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Nov 26, 2015 00:08
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It's tough to put into words how thoroughly an incredibly fascinating and advanced culture gets poo poo on in our classes. I just tried and failed. Read books that people suggest. It'll really open your eyes. Then, once your eyes are open, imagine how things would be different if smallpox wasn't a thing.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:08
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baw posted:hmm this sounds familiar I find it funny that some of the american right who think Putin is the manliest man that ever manned. when he is viewed as a pussy manlet in russia.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:16
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FMguru posted:Reading 1491 by Charles Mann really opened my eyes. Same here! Native Americans didn't domesticate the horse because THEY DIDN'T EXIST ON THE CONTINENT YOU IDIOT. However, they sure picked up the basics real quick for an 'uncivilized' society (developing the Appaloosa breed among other things). Also any excuse to link this again, humanity in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
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Nov 26, 2015 00:19
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baw posted:hmm this sounds familiar I can't believe I just thought of this now but I'd imagine Trump would do really well as a politician in Russia, he seems to embody everything that Russians want out of their leaders.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:21
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Moktaro posted:Same here! Native Americans didn't domesticate the horse because THEY DIDN'T EXIST ON THE CONTINENT YOU IDIOT. However, they sure picked up the basics real quick for an 'uncivilized' society (developing the Appaloosa breed among other things). there is a very very good native american museum on the Pequot reservation in Connecticut. it mostly deals with the pequot tribes and east coast natives buts Its really well done and fascinating. http://www.pequotmuseum.org/default.aspx
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Nov 26, 2015 00:23
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MaxxBot posted:I can't believe I just thought of this now but I'd imagine Trump would do really well as a politician in Russia, he seems to embody everything that Russians want out of their leaders. Yeah but he doesn't drink, ergo he would never fit in with the Russians.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:24
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Radish posted:Crowder just tries so hard it's cloying. He really needs to have the pure hate, lazy smugness, and hipster attire of Matt Walsh to actually piss me off. Yep. The only emotions I've ever felt from his various tweets and videos are pity and maybe some second hand embarrassment All his work reeks of middle school.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:35
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I still find it hilarious (and also depressing) that France is still moving forward with its plans to take in 30,000 more Syrian refugees after a massive terrorist attack but the True Right WIng American Patriots© are bending over backwards and fighting to see who can be more cowardly and afraid to the point where they are somehow not even as brave as France; A country they universally loathe and make fun of every chance they get. They paint their political enemies as "French". Dijon Mustard and "Freedom Fries" and all that poo poo. Now they're acting like xenophobic cowards and their role models are somehow Russia and France.
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Nov 26, 2015 00:47
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RasperFat posted:The bullshit level of labeling Native Americans savages with primitive culture cannot be understated. There was a massive production and trade network, in-depth agricultural knowledge, and massive mound structures that are conveniently forgot about. Some were hundreds of feet across and dozens of feet high, forming complex images when viewed from the sky. We literally plowed over these sacred burial mounds for farming until they were flat. Because our ancestors literally destroyed their history and peoples, assholes like Crowder can more easily push that there was no culture to begin with. So, thanks for helping to keep the White Man seen as destructive, narcissistic douchebags in your pathetic attempt at "comedy", you ignorant prick. Yea. There are literally Native peoples we will never know of because their entire civilizations were destroyed before some European took the effort to find out about them. I think it was the Conquistador DeSoto that raped a burned his way across the gulf coast, and the priests he had with him talked about civilizations there that were on the level of the Aztecs and Incas with complex cities and farms. Whomever didn't die from swords to the face died from diseases left behind. I agree that the patronizing view many of the left take of Native peoples is almost as harmful as the idea that they were blood thirsty savages. Making them seem like literal magical beings really diminishes their actual accomplishments.
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Nov 26, 2015 01:04
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twistedmentat posted:I agree that the patronizing view many of the left take of Native peoples is almost as harmful as the idea that they were blood thirsty savages. Making them seem like literal magical beings really diminishes their actual accomplishments. Pretending everything was a happy wonderland where everybody got along is an extremely common line of thought that applies globally. It's everything you can do to convince somebody that we used to be in a near constant state of war with death in battle being the equivalent of heart disease today. To convince somebody that we also used to eat each other extremely commonly? Impossible
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Nov 26, 2015 01:07
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BiggerBoat posted:I still find it hilarious (and also depressing) that France is still moving forward with its plans to take in 30,000 more Syrian refugees after a massive terrorist attack but the True Right WIng American Patriots© are bending over backwards and fighting to see who can be more cowardly and afraid to the point where they are somehow not even as brave as France; A country they universally loathe and make fun of every chance they get. Helping the poor and the destitute isn't brave, since you aren't out killing some of them (whatever you have labelled as the bad guys). Sending troops to die pointlessly in Iraq while raiding the public treasury to fund defense contractors is somehow "brave". Bombing Iran would be considered "brave", regardless of the actual outcome or situation on the ground if this was also coupled with an invasion. Their definition of brave differs greatly from the rest of western society. They also have very little idea about what France has done militarily, and still does.
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Nov 26, 2015 01:18
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twistedmentat posted:Yea. There are literally Native peoples we will never know of because their entire civilizations were destroyed before some European took the effort to find out about them. I think it was the Conquistador DeSoto that raped a burned his way across the gulf coast, and the priests he had with him talked about civilizations there that were on the level of the Aztecs and Incas with complex cities and farms. Whomever didn't die from swords to the face died from diseases left behind. There's a very  story about the last native of Florida dying in a Havana cell. This during the Spanish years of Florida, before the Seminoles
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Nov 26, 2015 01:18
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twistedmentat posted:Yea. There are literally Native peoples we will never know of because their entire civilizations were destroyed before some European took the effort to find out about them. I think it was the Conquistador DeSoto that raped a burned his way across the gulf coast, and the priests he had with him talked about civilizations there that were on the level of the Aztecs and Incas with complex cities and farms. Whomever didn't die from swords to the face died from diseases left behind. yeah. I always never got the utopian pedistal people put the aztecs on. I mean i can understand why the Mexican people do. They carved out an empire and built a high tech city. but holy gently caress the mass amounts ritual killings for religion is scary as poo poo on the level of European stuff. that alienated the other tribes(who didnt practice religious sacrifice) so bad that they sided with cortez. I find it sad. you have this beautiful city and sociaty but the core of the religion was litteraly blood for the sun god. I mean the spanish were worse but i never get why some people excuse the stuff the aztec did.
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Nov 26, 2015 02:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. I always never got the utopian pedistal people put the aztecs on. I mean i can understand why the Mexican people do. They carved out an empire and built a high tech city. but holy gently caress the mass amounts ritual killings for religion is scary as poo poo on the level of European stuff. that alienated the other tribes(who didnt practice religious sacrifice) so bad that they sided with cortez. I find it sad. you have this beautiful city and sociaty but the core of the religion was litteraly blood for the sun god. I mean the spanish were worse but i never get why some people excuse the stuff the aztec did. Partially it's the relative badness of the Spanish, and partially it's typical noble savage stuff. Another good example is the Iroquois Constitution. There was a thread not too long ago saying what a great document it is and how this is proof that the Natives were truly enlightened compared to us modern day folk. If you read between the lines however, you'd see that those provisions only applied if you were a member of their federation. If you weren't, then the Iroquois would hunt down your tribe, slaughter you, and take your land and resources (we even have other Native Americans accounts of them doing this). I mean, par the course for humanity, but far from the stereotype we probably grew up with.
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Nov 26, 2015 02:35
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Having worked personally with the Sto:lo in BC as a history student in grad school, the attitude was very much "we want to know about and speak about our past and that includes both our accomplishments and the less pleasant parts." In the case of the Sto:lo and other societies in the Pacific Northwest, the good parts were extremely complex fishing societies, the bad part was enslaving each other.
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Nov 26, 2015 02:42
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computer parts posted:Partially it's the relative badness of the Spanish, and partially it's typical noble savage stuff. i rember my anthropology teacher saying that that was the real inspiration behind the american one and not them reading a ton Cato the Younger and venerating the roman republic. I believe both were probably an influence. Hodgepodge posted:Having worked personally with the Sto:lo in BC as a history student in grad school, the attitude was very much "we want to know about and speak about our past and that includes both our accomplishments and the less pleasant parts." I am also a history major and that's how i feel. you should try to present histories and cultures relatively unbiased. show both the good things and the bad and try to learn from both. Neither extreme wants to do that.
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Nov 26, 2015 02:51
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
Yeah, gently caress those guys for not domesticating an animal they didn't have access to. And not having any other animals that could pull something with a wheel and axle
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Nov 26, 2015 03:02
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Crowder a man with no academic background is the primary history teacher to wingnut youtubers.
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Nov 26, 2015 03:08
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Nonsense posted:Crowder a man with no academic background is the primary history teacher to wingnut youtubers. They wouldn't have it any other way.
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Nov 26, 2015 03:12
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Nonsense posted:Crowder a man with no academic background is the primary history teacher to wingnut youtubers. "The best of the public"
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Nov 26, 2015 03:13
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King Metal posted:Yeah, gently caress those guys for not domesticating an animal they didn't have access to. And not having any other animals that could pull something with a wheel and axle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_contributions Holy loving poo poo. Like this just makes Crowder look even more idiotic. The Native Americans invented things like FREEZE DRIED FOOD for god's sake. uncivilized "savages" my rear end.
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Nov 26, 2015 03:16
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Those savage indians fighting. Not like us civilized Europeans who never go to war with each other. Not to mention, by the time the Puritans arrived the level of endemic warfare in the Eastern Woodlands had massively declined due to the establishment of the Iroquois and Huron Confederacies, advanced societies. He's wrong on multiple levels, but Ezra Levant is licking his sack and saying it's ~historically~ accurate.
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Nov 26, 2015 03:28
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Anyone read this?
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Nov 26, 2015 03:33
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I wonder if Crowder's jokes would be funny if Carlos Mencia told them. Would Mencia even stoop so low to steal Crowder's material?
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Nov 26, 2015 03:54
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Irom posted:Anyone read this? i need too. i have heard its pretty good
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Nov 26, 2015 04:19
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http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2015/11/25/5-facts-to-silence-your-smug-millennial-nephew-this-thanksgiving/ HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! quote:Young people have much higher unemployment rates. They might argue this reflects that young people do worse in weak economies and always have higher jobless rates. But if their opinions about Syria are so great, then how come nobody wants to hire them? Wait what does this have to do...with...getting hired? ...what? This whole article just makes me just imagine a scene at a dinner with some uncle or grandparent rambling about this. The unemployed recent college grad is sitting there, and then just...snaps...suddenly a screaming match erupts..food is thrown around, plates broken. Another family dinner ruined by some rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 26, 2015 05:14
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2015/11/25/5-facts-to-silence-your-smug-millennial-nephew-this-thanksgiving/ Has the WSJ always been such a trash garbage newspaper? Didn't they run a "UHHHH HEY GUYS TIME TO START SPENDING, ALL YOUR EMPLOYERS JUST GOT HUGE TAX BREAKS AND OBVIOUSLY THAT TRICKLED DOWN TO YOU BY NOW" article a few weeks ago too, or was that Forbes? Also those response zingers they suggest are just hilarious. The whole thing is just "establish that the lovely economy is their fault, then use that to pivot to stuff that results from a lovely economy ALSO being their fault and ALSO this is why the economy is lovely"
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Nov 26, 2015 05:20
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Epic High Five posted:Has the WSJ always been such a trash garbage newspaper? Didn't they run a "UHHHH HEY GUYS TIME TO START SPENDING, ALL YOUR EMPLOYERS JUST GOT HUGE TAX BREAKS AND OBVIOUSLY THAT TRICKLED DOWN TO YOU BY NOW" article a few weeks ago too, or was that Forbes? The WSJ was always a bunch of conservative assholes, but they went full wing after Rupert Murdoch bought them, like 10 years ago now or something like that
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Nov 26, 2015 05:24
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The WSJ was known for being a damned good newspaper with a batshit insane editorial section. The line between news and opinion seems like a quaint relic of a bygone era at this point though and possibly never existed in the first place. The question seems to be if the reason the "news" section was able to be enjoyed in the past by people who weren't currently overseeing the clubbing of baby seals was because the news staff leaned left and the editorial staff leaned right or if it was because a sober and objective reporting of facts suggests a liberal bias to a modern observer.
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