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BJPaskoff posted:- the only thing I can see happening is something in a future plotline with the aborted fetus's stem cells. I bet anything someone else is going to use that dangling plot thread, especially since the scientist dad mentioned stem cells, and stem cells = voodoo fetus science to most people. How is that dangling? The father uses it all to boost his sons power.
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bobkatt013 posted:How is that dangling? The father uses it all to boost his sons power. Oh! drat. I really missed that part, I thought he was just working off Kilgrave's own stuff.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:20
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On the positive side, even if Kilgrave had gotten away, that means there's a pretty good chance he would have developed a teratoma and died in a year or so.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:23
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I'm surprised people wouldn't want to see these characters in another season. Like I said previously I was real down on the plot but I liked the characters in general. Maybe because they're (for the most part) pretty different compared to most other TV shows. If season 2 decides to have a plot worthy of a full season I'll be way into watching it. I found the watching the dynamics between Jessica/Luke/Trish/Malcolm/Simpson entertaining and quite engaging. While I'll miss Tennant's performance I'd be interested to see what a show that exceeds so thematically/performance wise overall could do with a better plot/script.
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Not that many people have said that. People are more likely to complain about thing they didn't like than praise things they did. I think most of us posting here would watch another season. Those that wouldn't? Hey, different people like different characters. It happens. These were all tied pretty heavily to the same theme, which I think makes them more likely to be hit or miss as an entire package.
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I kind of hope the next season has a few one-off episodes where Jessica chases down a particular case, rather than having a whole season centred around one particular villain. Its not that I didn't enjoy this season or that I wasn't compelled by Tennant and his performance, its just that by the time the last three episodes rolled around I was convinced that they'd stretched the show a little too far.
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Nov 26, 2015 01:48
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Yeah, I think it'd probably have benefited even more from a less intense focus on Kilgrave than from a shorter episode count.
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Nov 26, 2015 02:07
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Those two changes work against each other and either one obviates the need for the other on top of it.
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I agree. I just read the Alias comic after watching the show, and I was pleasantly surprised that Kilgrave wasn't even mentioned until 5-6 issues before the end. They left hints that Jessica had something dark in her past, but almost the entire series was about Jessica working different cases as a PI, with a bunch of random superhero cameos, kinda showing us an outsider's view of life in the Marvel universe. It was mostly lighthearted, serious at times, but just a fun romp through Marvel New York where she dates Ant-Man and videotapes Captain America on a stakeout and searches for J. Jonah Jameson's missing daughter. From the show, I had expected literally the entire book to be really dark and all about Kilgrave and Jessica -- it felt like I was watching a horror movie, or the good season of Dexter, based on the tone they set. And it was GOOD, but it petered out for all the reasons listed above when stretched over 13 episodes, and I wonder whether it would have been more effective as a 6-7 episode arc after a lighthearted first half of the season where she runs down a few weird cases and talks to her friends about how Luke Cage is a cape-chaser.
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I think Netflix may be completely the wrong venue for that, and I'm not sure it works for this character. But I like the idea of an outsider, regular joe's view of the Marvel universe that's not too heavy at the start. Maybe some kind of weekly ," case of the week", 44 minute procedural on a major network. ABC is owned by the same parent company, isn't it?
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There was a comic series called Marvels back in the early 90s that ran with the idea of following a photographer who basically got to witness most of the craziness of Marvel's major moments firsthand. It was really good, especially in how it found the human face of things even during ridiculously high-level cosmic events like a giant dude in a purple helmet showing up to literally eat the planet.
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Jerusalem posted:There was a comic series called Marvels back in the early 90s that ran with the idea of following a photographer who basically got to witness most of the craziness of Marvel's major moments firsthand. It was really good, especially in how it found the human face of things even during ridiculously high-level cosmic events like a giant dude in a purple helmet showing up to literally eat the planet. I enjoyed that one, and I enjoyed the......parody?.......called Ruins, where the same thing happened, but it was set in a more realistic universe, where people that were exposed to gamma radiation died in horrible pain instead of turning into the Hulk, etc.
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Jerusalem posted:There was a comic series called Marvels back in the early 90s that ran with the idea of following a photographer who basically got to witness most of the craziness of Marvel's major moments firsthand. It was really good, especially in how it found the human face of things even during ridiculously high-level cosmic events like a giant dude in a purple helmet showing up to literally eat the planet.
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ABC is doing a Damage Control sitcom which I'm pretty hyped about. http://deadline.com/2015/10/marvel-damage-control-tv-series-comedy-abc-1201566243/
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Episode 10 was a cartoon, but the rest was very solid. Unlike Daredevil, it ended on a strong note.
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It feels like the first few episodes kind of want us to agree with Jessica's misanthropic view. We get bikers yelling about the environment, a weird joke about a fat woman being bad at dieting, and people being condescending to her about French. It's like it's trying to get us to warm up to a relatively unpleasant person before the show really delves into her shortcomings.
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Conal Cochran posted:a weird joke about a fat woman being bad at dieting, Yeah, in a show that featured such careful examination of people's weaknesses and personal contexts, that felt really out of place.
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Conal Cochran posted:It's like it's trying to get us to warm up to a relatively unpleasant person before the show really delves into her shortcomings. I don't think you need the 'like' qualifier here, that seemed to be a fairly explicit part of her character arc. She's starts the series fearful coward with super strength, and they use the 13 episode run to examine why she is that way, as well as show how she grows and changes in the face of the challenges she is presented with.
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Crow_Robot posted:ABC is doing a Damage Control sitcom which I'm pretty hyped about. I wish Dwayne McDuffie was still alive to get his credit for this. Hell, I just wish Dwayne McDuffie was still alive 
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Subjunctive posted:Yeah, in a show that featured such careful examination of people's weaknesses and personal contexts, that felt really out of place. Fat people don't deserve it.
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NmareBfly posted:I think it perfectly fits Jessica's character for her to have never bothered getting proper training for a fight. Why would she have? She has frikkin super strength. She can just punch stuff, right? Learn some fighting skills Superdork 
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Zsinjeh posted:To bring this thread back into the realm huge dorks and nerds: this is why I hate Superman. He runs into villains all the time that are as or nearly as strong and durable as he is but all he does all day is haymakers and slow punches. This is one of the good things about the show Supergirl. She turns up at the secret government agency and laughs at her sister's recommendation that she learn to fight, so her sister turns on kryptonite lights and kicks her rear end. Supergirl then agrees that she should learn how to fight. Anyways, just finished this show and thought it was great. Sad to see Kilgrave go, as he was a great villain, but I assume the IGH stuff will be the driving force behind next season, which seems interesting. I kind of like that Jessica is a superhero who doesn't really know her own origin story - how many of those are there?
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Is there anyone here who thoguht Daredevil was a piece of poo poo but liked Jessica Jones? Because I'm curious about Jessica Jones but think Daredevil was a piece of poo poo so I'm cautious
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Calico Heart posted:Is there anyone here who thoguht Daredevil was a piece of poo poo but liked Jessica Jones? Because I'm curious about Jessica Jones but think Daredevil was a piece of poo poo so I'm cautious I thought Daredevil was okay to borderline bad; JJ I found just okay. By episode 10 things get tedious after some new contrivance springs the lead villain, someone spins their wheels to serve the plot, yet another clumsy fight, etc. Still, JJ as a lead is way more interesting than DD even if the primary use of her powers is to open doors. Edit: also JJ's antagonist is terrifying and well acted, making it way more watchable. Yudo fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Fifteen minutes into first episode, already feels like a notable step above Daredevil just in terms of production/acting alone, which is an immediate relief.
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I'm really hoping that in future seasons of JJ/Luke Cage/Defenders that once she has her kid a certain baby sitter shows up.
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hi liter posted:I don't think you need the 'like' qualifier here, that seemed to be a fairly explicit part of her character arc. She's starts the series fearful coward with super strength, and they use the 13 episode run to examine why she is that way, as well as show how she grows and changes in the face of the challenges she is presented with. I phrased that poorly. I meant that the show at the beginning seems to want us to hate everyday strangers just as much as her, when that seems to be less the case with the rest of the series.
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I'm getting to the last few episodes. Given all the deaths and collateral damage that Kilgrave is racking up, why they're still trying to keep him alive, just to save some poor poor widdle girl from jail, is beyond me. Marvel morals, I suppose. Simpson (or what's his name) had it right. Rifle and bam.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm getting to the last few episodes. Given all the deaths and collateral damage that Kilgrave is racking up, why they're still trying to keep him alive, just to save some poor poor widdle girl from jail, is beyond me. Marvel morals, I suppose. Simspon (or what's his name) had it right. Rifle and bam. Yeah. It's dumb as gently caress. Especially because they make the girl totally unlikable. In general I didn't think this show was anywhere near Daredevil in quality. It felt noteably cheaper, her powers were handled really badly, AND I felt like everyone except the lead nailed their characters, whilst Ritter never quite hit the sweet spot.
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People keep bringing it up, but a shorter episode count is not an actual option for the Netflix runs. The contract is for 4 13 episode shows, and an 8 episode Defenders or something like that. They have to write to the 13 episodes, not do X episodes that fit what they wrote. They haven't managed to do that twice already though. Also Daredevil would probably not be as well received if not for the fight scenes. It has a lot of the same plot issues.
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PriorMarcus posted:
I just finished JJ the other day. I thought it was good, a lot going on and really good performances on the whole. Jessica doesn't feel developed until the end of the 1st season but I don't put that on Ritter more on the writers. If they had to do it over again I would of suggested the following: drop Hogath's plot line entirely or drop the Rueben/Robyn plot and give us a bigger glimpse into Jess's time being under Kilgrave's control. I think it would given Ritter and the audience more to work with. I get that part of the point of not showing us so much is to let our imagination flow with the awful things Kilgrave would do but I think it would of helped for the audience to connect with JJ a little bit. That being said, thematically this was amazing and adult without having to be gratuitous (though Nuke = domestic abuse is maybe TOO on the nose). Colter as Luke Cage is pure awesome and I think the best fight is between him and Jessica because it's just them whaling on each other with super strength. No beauty, no grace, just pure power. Obviously, not enough good things can be said about Tennant as Kilgrave. I understand why people were comparing him to Fisk and ironically both villains want the same thing, control. Fisk is a bit more complex because he weirdly wants to protect his part of the city (just so long as it is his vision and no one else's), Kilgrave feels like the world owes him this control but at the end of the day only cares about himself and his feelings. Anyways, this show is so weird to compare to Daredevil because they are ostensibly two different shows in the same universe. Daredevil had better fight scenes and a bit better plotting but didn't know how to stick the landing. Jessica Jones had more going for it metaphorically but was uneven and at time directionless. That doesn't make it bad, just not as tight. But Jessica Jones WAS hitting the right tones in the last two episodes and ended pretty well compared to it's companion show. I liked it and I think people should watch it but I get why people don't like it compared to Daredevil.
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To me the popularity of Daredevil is just baffling. It was full of boring characters and storylines that lead nowhere and meant nothing. Dinofrio turned in one of the most embarassing performances of his career and people ate it up like it was fantastic. Even the action, while having a few cool fight scenes, was general TV-level blandness. It was a remarkably unappealing show visually which only heightened how pointless all the dialogue was. The first episode of Jessica Jones had more style, at least. The bits where it was trying to be noir where a bit too ham-fisted, but there where some genuinely interesting shots and lighting choices, and even the bit-part actors did pretty good jobs. Murdoch was likable enough, but he never felt like an actual person of substance. Jones may be a broad stroke but that's at least something. I'm ganna give the show a couple more episodes, but if it starts to go more the safe, comfortable Daredevil route I'll probably bow out. EDIT: in the end throughout all my bitching it is my own fault for sticking with the show throughout it's entire run Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Calico Heart posted:To me the popularity of Daredevil is just baffling. It was full of boring characters and storylines that lead nowhere and meant nothing. Dinofrio turned in one of the most embarassing performances of his career and people ate it up like it was fantastic. Even the action, while having a few cool fight scenes, was general TV-level blandness. It was a remarkably unappealing show visually which only heightened how pointless all the dialogue was. I make it a personal rule to think twice whenever I'm about to brag about being baffled by something, suggesting that my confusion is more correct than other people's comprehension. This is a 144 page thread full of people explaining where they think those storylines led and what they think they meant, and why they thought Dinofrio's performance and those fight scenes were good. You don't have to like it, but if you truly don't get it, you only have yourself to blame. McNerd fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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McNerd posted:I make it a personal rule to think twice whenever I'm about to brag about being baffled by something, suggesting that my confusion is more correct than other people's comprehension. This is a 144 page thread full of people explaining where they think those storylines led and what they think they meant, and why they thought Dinofrio's performance and those fight scenes were good. You don't have to like it, but if you truly don't get it, you only have yourself to blame. "Oh, you don't agree with our opinions. Quite a pity.  "
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"Oh, you don't agree with our opinions. Quite a pity. Once again, you don't have to agree. Hell I was pretty down on Daredevil at first myself (although as it happens, I came around). But if you don't understand why it appeals to people, after reading 100 pages of people explaining how it appeals to them, that probably says more about you than them. McNerd fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Kung Food posted:I'm really hoping that in future seasons of JJ/Luke Cage/Defenders that once she has her kid a certain baby sitter shows up. A thousand times this. I was hoping for at least a Doreen cameo or for the season to end with JJ realizing she's preggo with Lukes kid.
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SG would belong to fox, wouldn't she?
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Soothing Vapors posted:SG would belong to fox, wouldn't she? I think they retconned her, or are planning to anyways, so she's an Inhuman and not a mutant.
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Soothing Vapors posted:SG would belong to fox, wouldn't she? Unlikely. I don't think anyone at Marvel or Fox has confirmed it either way, but it seems very implausible that Fox would automatically get the rights to all characters defined as mutants in 616, regardless of the extent of their ties to the X-Men property; if that's how it worked, wouldn't they have 100% of the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? Titan posted:I think they retconned her, or are planning to anyways, so she's an Inhuman and not a mutant. This is nonsense, though. If the lawyers *had* decided that Fox had the rights to Squirrel Girl based on past references to her as a mutant, it wouldn't matter what Marvel did with her in the comics (note that Fox can still use Quicksilver, despite Marvel retconning him as being neither a mutant nor Magneto's son). Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Barry Convex posted:Unlikely. I don't think anyone at Marvel or Fox has confirmed it either way, but it seems very implausible that Fox would automatically get the rights to all characters defined as mutants in 616, regardless of the extent of their ties to the X-Men property; if that's how it worked, wouldn't they have 100% of the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? That's exactly what Fox argued.
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