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Is it the internal combustion engine that's the problem on the Renault, the energy recovery system, or both? Because I don't know how much of a help Illien can be on the energy recovery aspect.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 15:57 |
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The ice. Energy recovery is pretty solid made with rbr help.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:06 |
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:07 |
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dreesemonkey posted:Do we know the details of the Renault/RBR split engine wise? My understanding is that Illian is "employed" by Renault now, whether that's an FIA requirement or to ice their bruised ego I don't know. I don't think they can really feasibly split the design because ultimately it's circumventing the token system and every other team would've thrown a fit if that was allowed. Both teams would just end up using the one that worked better anyways. At worse I would say Mecachrome is supplying the engine parts to Red Bull but I very much doubt that now that Renault has a works team. That engine is still very much a Renault design, slapping a new head on an engine is nice and everything but its not reinventing the wheel.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:08 |
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I hope Renault beats Red Bull next year
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:21 |
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RALF posted:I hope Renault beats Red Bull next year This 1000 times over.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:38 |
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red bull will be using the exact same engine as renault but with a different name on it.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 16:49 |
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be nice wicka posted:red bull will be using the exact same engine as renault but with a different name on it. Meanwhile Toro Rosso will be cruising past both with this year's Ferrari which will still be quicker
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 17:05 |
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RALF posted:I hope Renault beats Red Bull next year I have a horrible track record at predicting these things so you'll likely get your wish, BUT my gut says "nah" because: 1. It took RBR bringing in Illian to come up with solutions to the Renault powered ICE, particularly the block I guess. Up until that point Renault were stumped. 2. What are Renault going to do for their ERS system, I believe RBR was on their own and supplied that themselves. If it's going to be an in-house design they're going to have all sorts of teething issues. 3. Depending on how different the engines are between Renault factory team and RBR (completely separate based off the same design? Same engine minus the branding? Somewhere in between?) I have a feeling RBR will come up with a superior package because they've probably known this was going to happen at sometime and got some skunkworks Newey poo poo going on to make the best of whatever they have. 4. RBR chassis / aero are really good. Lotus finished last of the constructors with "best" engine. Welp. 5. RBR seems to be real good at cheating and has basically unlimited cash to throw at the problem.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 17:25 |
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Illien is very talented and I hold him in very high regard but I'm not sure if it will be enough to return the Renault to the front.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 17:35 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:Illien is very talented and I hold him in very high regard but I'm not sure if it will be enough to return the Renault to the front. I'm going to very controversially say the man is competent and nothing more. He's built some good engines, but he's also built alot of incredibly average ones. His biggest claim to fame is noticing a loophole in rules, that doesn't make him a master engine designer.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 17:43 |
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RBR can't stop telling everyone who listens that they designed four different chassis; one for each engine type.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 17:45 |
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I'm sure the glorious scud are quaking in their hand made loafers, a whole four chassis for four different engine types?! Whatever will they do?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:04 |
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learnincurve posted:Whatever will they do? Whine and cheat when they don't get their own way?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:15 |
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http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/04/mallya-loses-control-of-force-india/quote:Diageo, parent company of Johnnie Walker which is set to become one of Ecclestone’s global F1 sponsors in 2016, have listed details of the dispute in their 2015 annual report with Vijay Mallya. Further, the global spirit’s company have now listed the Force India team as an asset of Diageo, valued at around $120m.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:16 |
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P.Sure the power unit is a unit and ERS/ICE/KERS/HGST are all from renault and redbull didnt make their own ERS and poo poo?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:21 |
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Riso posted:http://thejudge13.com/2015/12/04/mallya-loses-control-of-force-india/ I didn't think Mallaya owned the majority any way?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:24 |
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Dubs posted:ERS/ICE/KERS/HGST Did you just have a stroke?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:24 |
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i am stroking
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:25 |
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Finally the Aston Martin talk makes sense. Was wondering why the gently caress they would want to associate themselves with Vijay.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:25 |
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Dubs posted:i am stroking Two, four or six stroke?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:26 |
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I am totally OK with Jordan DNA getting an Aston Martin badge
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:30 |
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Tsaedje posted:I am totally OK with Jordan DNA getting an Aston Martin badge No doubt we'll hear a story next year from EJ about how he invited Aston Martin to F1 in the 90s but he ended up out-business-dealing them and they walked away in shame.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:34 |
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Riso posted:Two, four or six stroke? nazi hooker orgy
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:34 |
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http://www.racer.com/f1/item/124275-dennis-fell-out-with-tag-heuer-chiefquote:Ron Dennis has conceded to a dispute with TAG Heuer CEO Jean-Claude Biver that resulted in the company jumping ship from McLaren to Red Bull.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:40 |
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LVMH(/ERS/ICE) owns Chandon and Tag Heauerer? who owns John Walker again?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:50 |
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Dubs posted:LVMH(/ERS/ICE) owns Chandon and Tag Heauerer? who owns John Walker again? diageo. scroll up.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:51 |
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Riso posted:"multiples more valuable than TAG Heuer". Hah, multiples more than zero is still zero.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:52 |
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I just cant keep up with all the sponsors leaving ron
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:53 |
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Dubs posted:P.Sure the power unit is a unit and ERS/ICE/KERS/HGST are all from renault and redbull didnt make their own ERS and poo poo? You might be right, I think I misread the original article. RBR did do earlier versions of the ERS/KERS/whatever. TJ13 posted:Red Bull have previously demonstrated their expertise in KERS technology, as they provided the units which were bolted onto the Renault V8. Further, they developed the original energy store (ES), which was fitted to the Renault power unit inside the RB10. So it’s not out of the question that RBR have built on their previous experience in hybrid know how and invested in the R&D to deliver an MGU-H and Control Electronics unit. This is after all the organisation that crashed tested a new nose design more than 60 times to get it right.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 18:57 |
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its worth noting that the red bull kers was a absolute piece of poo poo that barely ever worked
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:00 |
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So Toro Rosso gonna use 2015 Ferrari engines and Red Bull 2015 Renault engines?
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:06 |
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Dubs posted:I just cant keep up with all the sponsors leaving ron It's pretty loving amazing how fast that whole empire fell apart. He had the best sponsorship portfolio in almost any sport never mind F1 and every single one of them just packed up and left overnight.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:07 |
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El Hefe posted:So Toro Rosso gonna use 2015 Ferrari engines and Red Bull 2015 Renault engines? nah bro tag hwahwar engines 1500quidporsche posted:It's pretty loving amazing how fast that whole empire fell apart. He had the best sponsorship portfolio in almost any sport never mind F1 and every single one of them just packed up and left overnight. But now the have Eric Boulier so its all worth it
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:09 |
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1500quidporsche posted:It's pretty loving amazing how fast that whole empire fell apart. He had the best sponsorship portfolio in almost any sport never mind F1 and every single one of them just packed up and left overnight. literally no lol
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:12 |
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I guess Bernie or RB paid a lot of money to Renault then, or made a lot of concessions so they could get back with their own team, otherwise I don't know why they even agreed to give them engines even if they are re-badged.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:12 |
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if Renault insisted on a gag order in the contract.
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:14 |
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Dubs posted:LVMH(/ERS/ICE) owns Chandon and Tag Heauerer? who owns John Walker again? f1
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:16 |
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1500quidporsche posted:It wouldn't surprise me at all if Renault insisted on a gag order in the contract. I think this too. Red bull will never refer to Renault again, by the request of renault, after the poo poo metesxahaiz was talking all season
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# ? Dec 4, 2015 19:17 |
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El Hefe posted:I guess Bernie or RB paid a lot of money to Renault then, or made a lot of concessions so they could get back with their own team, otherwise I don't know why they even agreed to give them engines even if they are re-badged. supposedly ghosn was holding out for historical constructor payouts
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