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AAA DOLFAN posted:Yeah, but I figure an underboss in NY has to be same level as Tony who is the family boss. Yeah, but again, as Hesh points out in the final season, Tony's boat, while worth something like $2 million, has no resale value. So you can't really take that into account except maybe in terms of asset forfeiture.
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The Sopranos isn't really a mafia family, as the New York families would be quick to point out. They're just an upjumped crew.
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How many of his "assets" are stolen or were obtained via questionable activity?
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Bonzo posted:How many of his "assets" are stolen or were obtained via questionable activity? ... All of them? 4 RING SHRIMP posted:$5m + a £90 mole Amazing
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Adriana: Chris-tah-phaaaa, what if the FBI come around looking for stolen stuff? Christopher: They'll find nothing, I stay asset light  Adriana: ....isn't that laptop you're using stolen?
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Bonzo posted:How many of his "assets" are stolen or were obtained via questionable activity? He still has to hide what he can and explain the rest. That's why he so desperately needed that cushy consultant job at Barone Sanitation, and why it was such a huge deal when the son sold the company to the New York waste management firm. He was able to show a six or seven-figure income on his taxes, etc with that non-existent position, so he didn't have to explain where the house or the cars or the boat came from. Large amounts of cash need to be laundered and hidden offshore, which is what he was doing with Slava. Jerusalem posted:Adriana: Chris-tah-phaaaa, what if the FBI come around looking for stolen stuff? It's actually even better than that. Christopher is in the middle of writing his screenplay, so after he insists that he travels light, she responds, "That laptop is stolen. And that line you just gave Melissa"
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Alot of the Jersey guys weren't making great money until the Espinade(sp?) construction project got underway. The majority of their income came from all the skimming and no show jobs.
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Was it ever explained how Hesh was involved in the Tony crew or was he just an old friend that occasionally kicked up? He's always portrayed as having more money than anyone on the Jersey side and very well off. I powerwatched through the show twice so I definitely missed a lot of details.
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Chromatic posted:Was it ever explained how Hesh was involved in the Tony crew or was he just an old friend that occasionally kicked up? Tony's Dad was a partner in Hesh's record label. It was implied that Johnny Boy was involved in payola so I'm guessing he bribed or beat up DJs. How do the no show jobs work exactly?
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Bonzo posted:Tony's Dad was a partner in Hesh's record label. It was implied that Johnny Boy was involved in payola so I'm guessing he bribed or beat up DJs. you make up a fake name like " Joe No Show" then you make a fake punch card and have someone punch it it everyday. Voila, you get money for a job no one showed up too.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:you make up a fake name like " Joe No Show" then you make a fake punch card and have someone punch it it everyday. Voila, you get money for a job no one showed up too. It's why construction jobs were (are?) so expensive in NY/NJ you wind up paying for a couple of extra guys who never do any work.
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Blind Pineapple posted:Janice: I got second place in a beauty contest, collect $10... Even though Janice deserved every bit and then some Jesus Christ Tony was such a gaping rear end in a top hat It always baffled me how siblings could hate each other that much. MrBling posted:The Sopranos isn't really a mafia family, as the New York families would be quick to point out. They're just an upjumped crew. The NY VS NJ elitism was always hilarious. It's weird to me how a state is so defined by its relationship to a city. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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Chromatic posted:Was it ever explained how Hesh was involved in the Tony crew or was he just an old friend that occasionally kicked up? He's always portrayed as having more money than anyone on the Jersey side and very well off. Hesh is a loan shark. He pays the Soprano family to enforce debts, and is also useful as a sort of mob bank. In season 6 Tony ends up owing Hesh something like $200k, which almost destroys their friendship. Despite his long relationship with the Sopranos, as a Jew he can't rise any higher than associate within the family. Although he was far wealthier than any of the Sopranos, he was still reliant on their muscle and reputation. In short he was a close friend and business partner, but wasn't a formal member of the Mafia.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:$5m + a £90 mole This is good.
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I could be a loving rapper. Listen to this. My bitch, my ho, my ho, my bitch
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Espinade(sp?) No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses.
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Steve2911 posted:No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. Basically they are ways to siphon off construction and redevelopment money from various sources.
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Steve2911 posted:No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. It also pissed off the real mob as they were planning on doing the same scam.
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Dec 4, 2015 23:28
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Steve2911 posted:Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. Someone buys a bunch of houses (in this case the prick Dr.) for 100k each. An appraiser that is in on the deal values the homes at 3 times that and the community leader applies to HUD say that the property will turn in into low income housing. The Assemblyman (Zellman) backs them up which is good enough for the banks to issue the loans which are insured by HUD. The loan money is funnelled to Tony. The houses are then stripped (copper, mantles, etc.) for anything of value. When they are all done the community leader says that they have to abandon the project due to unforeseen issues . The charity is then stuck with the debt but it's a shell company so who cares. The bank or HUD takes ownership of the property but Tony keeps the money
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Steve2911 posted:No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. The esplanade was just a big construction project (condos and a museum I think) set up by their assemblyman whos in on everything. TThey fix it so construction companies owned by Ralph and Johnny Sac are picked to work on the site then make up a bunch of fake union names and give the paychecks to various mob guys. The crack houses were basically just house flipping without doing any actual work. Buy the house cheap, have a bullshit appraisal claim its worth 3x your buying price. Sell it to someone for inflated price who scams HUD development money then fucks off and does nothing. edit: yeah what they said /\/\/\/
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That's the way I understood it, I don't think anyone expected Tony to go in and strip the places though. That wasn't part of the actual plan, that was just Tony being an opportunist and wringing every penny he could out of the scheme. A victimless crime. If you don't count all the actual victims, or the taxpayer. So basically, everyone. They robbed everyone.
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At the end of the day the government has paid a lot of money for some basically worthless (and stripped) houses.
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Steve2911 posted:No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. The Esplanade was a $300 million dollar project, so assume it was planned for 3 years to finish, that's $8.3 million a month being spent (and of course it will go way over budget), probably $2 million a month was going into Mob related ventures guaranteed for years, which was why Tony was getting so furious when the crew was stealing nickel and dime stuff from the job site. NY got a huge piece of it obviously, and the regular guys were only getting 2-3 "salaries" worth of cash of which at least 1/2 had to be kicked up the chain so at the end of it most of the no work guys were making the same as if they just worked, only losing a ton of it to the hierarchy as well as not being able to go out and earn other ways for those 6-8 hours. Then take into account that they probably blow a few grand a night in their casino (of which a few guys get a piece) and their expensive tastes, suddenly getting a quick $10k from stealing some tiles is too much to resist.
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Reminds of that great episode where Christopher gets a "promotion" and realizes that now he has to kick up even MORE money to Paulie (who has to do the same) so he takes it out on the guys underneath him just like Paulie did to him and presumably Paulie's predecessor did as well. It's like that scene in Donnie Brasco where they're literally tearing open parking machines to get the coins out because Sonny Black's new position means he needs to kick up more money to Sonny Red or get replaced by somebody who can. These guys talk a lot about how free they are and flaunt their money, but they have to scramble just to maintain their spot, and if they do ever move up it just means more work/stress.
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They basically live paycheck to paycheck where an unexpected expense or delay in payment means that you are hosed.
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Kevyn posted:Robert Loggia died. R.I.P. Feech
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Kevyn posted:Robert Loggia died. I understand the word died and the name Robert Loggia, but in combination like you've put them they make zero sense to me 
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Jerusalem posted:Reminds of that great episode where Christopher gets a "promotion" and realizes that now he has to kick up even MORE money to Paulie (who has to do the same) so he takes it out on the guys underneath him just like Paulie did to him and presumably Paulie's predecessor did as well.
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Re: money:Snapchat A Titty posted:When Paulie & Ralphie are having their spat over the 50k in season 3, Ralphie says he's bringing in 3 mil a year for Tony. So either way there's a lot of drat cash floating around.
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Steve2911 posted:No matter how many times it's explained I will never understand what they were doing with this poo poo. Or whatever they were doing with the crack den houses. Let's say I own a construction company and my "friend" is a union shop steward. I hire my "friend"'s crew to build some project. The simplified way of how the business works is the company bills the project owner for the hours each guy on their crew works, plus some profit. (So if you're a worker making $20/hr, the owner might be billing your time for $60/hr, with the difference covering taxes, benefits, overhead, the owner's profit, etc.) Because I'm the owner of the company, I make up some fake guys on the crew so when I send my bill to the project owner, it's inflated and I pocket the extra salaries. This is a pretty basic scam and it doesn't take being involved with the mob to do. But without the union backing me up, the first time someone gets suspicious about there being a Paulie Fuckface on the bill but no Paulie Fuckface on the job site, I'd be hosed. If my friend is the union boss, he can make up some fake records for all my fake guys, suggest that there might be labor issues if there are too many questions, etc. If you're involved in this, you want the network of people backing you up to be as extensive as possible so that everywhere an investigator goes, they're met with some version of "of course Paulie Fuckface is real, here's his driver's license". This sort of scam is part of why the mob likes industries like garbage and linens. It's not so easy to figure out that, say, there's only three garbagemen on a truck instead of four. But if you're paying for thirty construction guys but only twenty ever seem to show up, it's a lot easier to tell.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Re: money: I love every time theres a scene involving Ralph and the esplanade it turns out hes screwing everyone else out of more money.
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zVxTeflon posted:I love every time theres a scene involving Ralph and the esplanade it turns out hes screwing everyone else out of more money. "How many jobs can you offer?" "My absolute max is 2 no work jobs" "On a $300 million dollar project?" "Maybe, maybe 3. What? How come no one believes me?"
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DarkCrawler posted:Even though Janice deserved every bit and then some Jesus Christ Tony was such a gaping rear end in a top hat It's because of their mother. Olivia would constantly instigate fights between the siblings so they couldn't fight back against her. It's the classic divide and conquer strategy.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:It's because of their mother. Olivia would constantly instigate fights between the siblings so they couldn't fight back against her. It's the classic divide and conquer strategy. Also their father was in the mafia.
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Steve2911 posted:Also their father was in the mafia. God forbid you should say that about Johnny Boy. *crosses self*
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Snapchat A Titty posted:God forbid you should say that about Johnny Boy. *crosses self* He was a saint!
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