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Friendly reminder that FF7 is just Akira Akira is Jenova, Tetsuo is Sephiroth, Kaneda is Cloud/Zack
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Dec 7, 2015 22:46
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Zaphod42 posted:Do you have any examples? I haven't played FF7 all the way through in forever. I don't remember having any confusion about multiple sephiroths but what with Cloud/Zack I could see the dialogue being confusing. The "clones" thing presumably causes confusion because the party keeps running into black-cloaked dudes moaning about a reunion and sephiroth. Those sad sacks are referred to as "Sephiroth clones", just like Cloud is by Hojo. So presumably people are wondering, when they run into "Sephiroth", whether it was really Sephiroth or just a more successful 'clone.' Or if they've all got Jenova cells, whether the Jenova cells are transforming the hunched over "clones" into a much more accurate Sephiroth "clone." Except none of them are actually "clones" as most people think of them, so it wouldn't make sense for them to look exactly like Sephiroth.
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Dec 7, 2015 22:52
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Since they are fighting in the Lifestream by that point, I'm pretty sure the Cloud vs Sephiroth "final battle" the one after Safer Sephiroth, actually did happen, and it wasn't just a metaphor for Cloud finally overcoming his demons (which Advent Children poo poo on), because reality does some funky poo poo once it gets to the Lifestream part.
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Dec 7, 2015 22:52
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Schwartzcough posted:The "clones" thing presumably causes confusion because the party keeps running into black-cloaked dudes moaning about a reunion and sephiroth. Those sad sacks are referred to as "Sephiroth clones", just like Cloud is by Hojo. So presumably people are wondering, when they run into "Sephiroth", whether it was really Sephiroth or just a more successful 'clone.' Or if they've all got Jenova cells, whether the Jenova cells are transforming the hunched over "clones" into a much more accurate Sephiroth "clone." Except none of them are actually "clones" as most people think of them, so it wouldn't make sense for them to look exactly like Sephiroth. Yeah a better term would be Remakes, as they're failed attempts to redo/recapture the magic that made Sephiroth what he was in the first place.
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Dec 7, 2015 22:57
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm sorry wait when did this happen? I definitely don't remember this in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afuKSfF1rHg
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Dec 7, 2015 22:58
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah a better term would be Remakes, as they're failed attempts to redo/recapture the magic that made Sephiroth what he was in the first place. "Gene therapy experiments" is a mouthful so yeah remakes works well enough. Recreations? Same difference.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:00
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Zaphod42 posted:"Gene therapy experiments" is a mouthful so yeah remakes works well enough. HD Re-releases
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Dec 7, 2015 23:03
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mycot posted:But PS4 let's you go all Bravely Default and turn off encounters/multiply XP etc. You can do that with Steam too, it just requires you to take a few minutes to download them separately. Madmarker posted:I mean, you are coming close to your last chance to REALLY relive what the game was like before Square ruins it with the remake. My concern is that Cloud, Sephiroth, etc. are all icons now, not characters. Square is gonna go through the old script and Cloud's thing is being cool and moody, so they'll say "Oh, we can't have Cloud wearing a dress, oh we can't have Cloud emoting, we need to cut that out because that isn't the Cloud that sells action figures, we can't have that." I just can't see Square leaving the story mostly untouched and not changing it for the worse.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:04
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The recent translation use "Copies" instead of "Clones" which is also what the Japanese version uses.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:04
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Platypus Farm posted:The problem with making everything crystal clear is that it completely removes the need for discussion and debate on the plot. People are STILL talking about the finer points of Souls games plots because they're interesting and obtuse. If you took everything in FF7 that people talk about, which is most of the confusing and/or mistranslated poo poo, then you have a very straightforward storyline that isn't very unique at all. Stuff in Souls game is deliberately obfuscated though. FF7's story is obfuscated to English-speaking players due to a shoddy translation.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1Vetd7OCs This is the best battle theme in any FF and I will vehemently disagree with you if you think otherwise.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:06
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They literally mentioned cloud cross dressing as still in, like you're hoping it fails at this point.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:07
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Fister Roboto posted:Stuff in Souls game is deliberately obfuscated though. FF7's story is obfuscated to English-speaking players due to a shoddy translation. Right, which is sort of my point. If it all becomes crystal clear, I have the feeling the storyline will lose a lot of the weird interesting bits that people yammer about. Not saying that's good or bad, but just my take.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:10
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Fister Roboto posted:Stuff in Souls game is deliberately obfuscated though. FF7's story is obfuscated to English-speaking players due to a shoddy translation. They really should have redone the translation. Like, FF6 and Chrono Trigger get entirely new ones on GBA/DS when they didn't need it at all but this doesn't on PS4? Humbug.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:10
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Gologle posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1Vetd7OCs I like the FFVIII battle/boss themes better
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Dec 7, 2015 23:10
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It's probably for the best that young me didn't really get how hosed up and horrifying Jenova is.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:10
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Wendell posted:They really should have redone the translation. Like, FF6 and Chrono Trigger get entirely new ones on GBA/DS when they didn't need it at all but this doesn't on PS4? Humbug. The PS4 port is just a straight port of the PC version as opposed to a genuine re-release. Which is dumb but welp.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:11
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So what are the chances that the LR PC port is gonna be decent when it comes out on Thursday? I'm that guy who loved the other FF13 games for how affably stupid they are and deliberately put off getting LR when the PC port was announced.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:11
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Even if FF7 had a good translation there still would have been years of "how to bring back Aeris" rumors, just saying.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:12
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mycot posted:Even if FF7 had a good translation there still would have been years of "how to bring back Aeris" rumors, just saying. Well, yeah. Right alongside General Leo and Nei.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:13
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Tae posted:They literally mentioned cloud cross dressing as still in, When was that mentioned? I didn't see it. quote:like you're hoping it fails at this point. No I'm not, I'm just really cautious about getting hyped for this game because SE has a mixed history to say the least. Of course I want the game to be good,it would be stupid not to want the game to be good. Good games make me happy and I like playing them and I like saying that they are good, and I would love to be able to say "I was worried they would gently caress it up but drat they actually pulled it off" You shouldn't be so eager to jump down someone's throat just because they are worried the game won't turn out right, it's a bad habit.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:14
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mycot posted:Even if FF7 had a good translation there still would have been years of "how to bring back Aeris" rumors, just saying. Actually, if it did have a good translation, the rumors would have been about "how to bring back Aerith".
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Dec 7, 2015 23:15
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Gologle posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1Vetd7OCs Help Im Alive posted:I like the FFVIII battle/boss themes better They're both amazing soundtracks (especially for MIDI) and we can all agree Uematsu is a genius.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:19
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Madmarker posted:It is somewhat implied at the end before they go into the crater. I distinctly remember it was stated in Ultimania or something, that they originally wanted to have Tifa and Cloud coming out of the chocobo stables on the highwind and they thought that was just too obvious
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Dec 7, 2015 23:22
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Augus posted:When was that mentioned? I didn't see it. quote:
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Dec 7, 2015 23:23
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Motto posted:Next, they ask if that means we’ll get to see Cloud in his cross-dressing appearance. Nomura responds with a laugh saying yes, the cross-dressing scene is in the game, but they haven’t done the design for it yet. Well that's good at least. I'm feeling better about this game already!
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Dec 7, 2015 23:25
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A lot of my concerns about FFVIIR not being goofy enough were put to rest when fuckin' Wedge showed up in the trailer because seriously.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:27
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Really curious how they'll tackle the whole "AVALANCHE is a terrorist organization trying to destroy the affluent world's way of life"-angle. That stuff wasn't a huge deal back in the nineties but I could see it causing some controversy these days. Oh, that and the whole Hojo trying to get Red to rape Aeris thing and all that.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:41
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There is a Biggs and Wedge in basically everything FF.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:42
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Zaphod42 posted:Friendly reminder that FF7 is just Akira
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Dec 7, 2015 23:42
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:8 year old me had it pretty figured out just from playing the game so I don't think it's as confusing as you found it to be? You spend the climax of the Temple of the Ancients, which you've spent the whole disc chasing a super scary extra magical version of Sephiroth from Shinra HQ to there, learning that Jenova's a shapeshifting lady Lavos that disguises herself as things to infiltrate societies to eventually eat them up. It might be ambiguous during the first part of the game but they solve that mystery right there. All the clues like him dropping pieces of Jenova behind him and the fact that he's nowhere near as strong in the flash back (Seriously, he phases through walls and poo poo during the game) fall together there. We could argue for days with no way to prove what you did or didn't get as an 8 year old but the translation is actively bad and the story in that game is fairly muddled so if you figured out the whole jenova back story just from playing the game and not reading websites you are pretty much alone since it literally does not contain much of the text that explains that stuff.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:42
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FactsAreUseless posted:Good, Akira kicks rear end. Agreed If I was an RPG developer in the early 90s I'd probably be inspired by it too.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:46
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:We could argue for days with no way to prove what you did or didn't get as an 8 year old but the translation is actively bad and the story in that game is fairly muddled so if you figured out the whole jenova back story just from playing the game and not reading websites you are pretty much alone since it literally does not contain much of the text that explains that stuff. Ummmm, your going to have to cite your sources for your argument that the translation is actively bad from no less than four peer reviewed academic journals and go into much more detail to support your thesis. I expect your report on my desk no later than Thursday.
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Dec 8, 2015 00:00
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Does the title of the FF7 LP thread count as a proper citation source?
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Dec 8, 2015 00:03
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Gologle posted:Ummmm, your going to have to cite your sources for your argument that the translation is actively bad from no less than four peer reviewed academic journals and go into much more detail to support your thesis. I expect your report on my desk no later than Thursday. Jenova gets one line in the entire game and it's: "Beacause, you are... a puppet."
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Dec 8, 2015 00:04
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Excels posted:I distinctly remember it was stated in Ultimania or something, that they originally wanted to have Tifa and Cloud coming out of the chocobo stables on the highwind and they thought that was just too obvious If this was a thing, it was so poorly communicated that I am not surprised no one remembers it. Why not just have them wake up in bed together like tv shows, movies, and even other games at the time by the same developer did?
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Dec 8, 2015 00:17
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like in the 20 years between the original and the remake should be enough time for discussion. Now we can get a final and unambiguous time line of who and what sephiroth was at various points. See, it's all in the execution. We could learn more about the murkier plot points with competent storytelling (well-written conversations, properly directed scenes, etc.) or it'll be a 25-minute anime monologue. Both would fill in the blanks that have been left halfway out-of-text, but clearly not in the same way.
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Dec 8, 2015 00:21
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I can't wait to see Cloud and Tifa actually have sex in the final fantasy vii remake on the ps4, pc, and xbox one
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Dec 8, 2015 00:21
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Kainser posted:Really curious how they'll tackle the whole "AVALANCHE is a terrorist organization trying to destroy the affluent world's way of life"-angle. That stuff wasn't a huge deal back in the nineties but I could see it causing some controversy these days. I doubt there will be problems with that, pretty much all gaming controversies have been about superficial stuff like blood and sex.
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Nobody cares about video game terrorists unless it's specifically referencing Not-ISIS and other recent terrorist groups.
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Dec 8, 2015 00:24
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